Have Orcid be both a name and an address - automagically generate the other if one exists

[Jegelewicz]

Why not have Orcid be both a name and an address - from the user interface
perspective. Allow it to be added in either place and automatically get
transferred to the alternate. That way someone could add the number itself
to the aka - and/or the url to the address, and Arctos, and if it is only
added in one format/place Arctos could automate populating the other field
with the info provided?

On Fri, Jul 23, 2021 at 12:01 PM dustymc @.***> wrote:

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agent name instead of an address

Addresses DO things that names don't, ORCID is an address. I don't think
this is in any way subjective.

Also making bits of the address into a name does not seem problematic to
me, that could even be automated.

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[dustymc]

for now: script to periodically insert orcid (bit after last slash? URL??) as agent name where not exists

[Jegelewicz]

bit after last slash? URL??

bit after slash (just the number) should be the aka, the whole url should be the address.

[mkoo]

yea this makes no sense to me... ORCID should resolve to an URL so leave it in addresses, right? What's needs a decision is whether users just add the ORCID number and let Arctos enable with its domain to create a URL (the automagic part). That makes sense and leave less to typos. But I dont feel I want to be called by a string of numbers just quite yet... please leave in addresses where we can hyperlink!

so where are we on this?

[dustymc]

just add the ORCID number and let Arctos enable with its domain

Please no. https://orcid.org/0000-0002-9562-5585 is an identifier (a really nice one at that), 0000-0002-9562-5585 is a meaningless/useless string. I know we deal in partial identifiers with otherIDs, that's no reason to let that bad idea run loose.

Yes, orcid is an address, there's a clear functional distinction between addresses and names, that's (partially??) what started this mess.

[mkoo]

ok fine. (deal with typos!) I'm suggesting Arctos creates the identifier with the string of numbers but if you want users to add the full URL to addresses that still makes sense. Why is it in agent names? just to enable the identifier? but that's why I'll be adding the whole address as an URL?!

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On Tue, Aug 16, 2022 at 12:42 PM dustymc ***@***.***> wrote: just add the ORCID number and let Arctos enable with its domain Please no. https://orcid.org/0000-0002-9562-5585 is an identifier (a really nice one at that), 0000-0002-9562-5585 is a meaningless/useless string. I know we deal in partial identifiers with otherIDs, that's no reason to let that bad idea run loose. Yes, orcid is an address, there's a clear functional distinction between addresses and names, that's (partially??) what started this mess. — Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub <#3761 (comment)>, or unsubscribe <https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/AATH7UNWFOVRMCYLPY7Q5ADVZPVKVANCNFSM5A4P74HA> . You are receiving this because you modified the open/close state.Message ID: ***@***.***>

[dustymc]

deal with typos!

The opposite...

I can instantly tell if https://orcid.org/0000-0002-9562-5585 functions as it should or not - it takes me where I think it should or it doesn't. 0000-0002-9562-5585 is still just a string, there's no way to know if it's what's expected or not.

Why is it in agent names?

I don't know, there was some discussion and this was the outcome. (I think I need to start being more resistant to things that don't make functional sense.)

just to enable the identifier?

No, there's no identifier, just a "name" ripped from one.

[campmlc]

Can't we just prefill the OrciID space with "https://orcid.org/" and let users add the numeric values, to be clear we want the full url?
From Wikipedia: some publishers use the short form, e.g. "ORCID: 0000-0002-1825-0097"[27][28] (as a URN)

[Jegelewicz]

I asked to have it added as a name so that it would show up near the top of the agent page. If this is a problem - just get rid of it.

[campmlc]

I do like the idea of having it be visible and easy to add, and addresses are not where people are most likely to look for it. Can we change the UI so it is obvious if an agent has and OrcID? Make it appear near top of agent page so we don't have to scroll down to find it?

Summary for Mariel L. Campbell (person)
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[dustymc]

I'm working in there now, I'll just drop the funky magic for next release.

addresses are not where people are most likely to look

If that's true then we need better training, more restrictive agent access, better documentation, SOMETHING. This isn't arbitrary, if true then probably not the only thing that gets misunderstood and then misplaced.

change the UI

Sure, new Issue. (But maybe thats a documentation thing too??)

[Jegelewicz]

The problem is that it isn't an address - it is an identifier and we don't have a "place" for those. I think we should and ORCiD, Wikidata, Library of Congress and whatever other "otherIDs" for people or organizations become useful should go there.

[campmlc]

That makes sense. Catalog records have identifiers. People/agents should have identifiers. We also have names and addresses, but this is the digital age. We need identifiers too.

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