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Proposal: Tabs Control #304
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Should add a link to the Van Arsdel sample |
I think the more generic controls from the Toolkit should always find their way ported to C++ and available in the Windows UI Library. Tabs control when it is mature and stable enough should make its way too. It happened with the Main Menu control :) |
Link to Tab Tear-Off sample called out in the proposal as well. |
Does tearing off a tab spawn a new AppWindow, new CoreWindow, and how do you handle fallback where the new window APIs are not present? |
@mdtauk the sample uses the older multi-windows ApplicationView API currently, the window gets created in a default position instead of where dragged. I've been testing with AppWindow and hope to update the sample for the new SDK. |
"Although these workarounds have helped bridge the platform gap from WPF, they have a number of limitations, including:" You should list keyboarding here as well. This is not just tab key or shortcut keys. Arrowing was something we struggled with when we didn't have tab control and we had to make everyone be consistent in the lack of it. |
Comments on open questions from what we've heard in the toolkit:
I think it's important for the Tab Control to handle the dragging and recombining between TabViews (hosting the same data type) and exposing an drag-out event, with the ability to inspect/intercept. But I don't know if it's important for the TabView to also directly manage the window lifecycle as that gets more tricky. A developer may also want to customize what happens when dragging a tab out, maybe it just removes it, or creates a special window for just that content vs. a new 'main' window with tabs? Or they may not want to handle having to code for multiple-windows. It may just be easier to expose the event and have helpers (or leverage existing ones like the ones in Windows Template Studio) to aid in the creation/management of Windows. The trickiest part of this scenario is "data transfer" between threads, which at least the new windowing API should help alleviate.
I think as long as there are adequate header templates and examples, having an implementor add an 'add' button is trivial, so I don't think it needs to be built-in, as then the paradigm would need another event. This is something we had originally thought about too in the toolkit. :)
We used
Are you talking about exposed style properties which can be modified or like a completely different template for the selected item?
One feedback item we got was about customizing the space at the end of the tabs. E.g. Should it just be a single template area that can then use left/right horizontal alignment to stick things to the edges vs. two separate areas? Other questions:
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Also forgot to call out for Requirement 9, we had a discussion originally on whether or not to use the Edge model (like the toolkit control currently behaves) or the NavigationView model where it creates a drop-down chevron. We thought maybe in the future we'd support both. We ended up going with the Edge model as it was simpler to implement, as then we didn't need a |
@stmoy did you close on the open issues/feedback from above that we had from the toolkit designs? |
How does the news of Windows Sets abandoning the Edge Tab model, affect how this control may be developed? With Edge and it's UI pretty much abandoned now in favour of ChromiumEdge (Edgium) do we need/want to rethink the appearance or behaviour of this control to be more suitable to the types of apps that may use it?
Not to mention similar controls like Pivot, and the UWP Ribbon in development. Which is recommended for which use case, and why would someone choose one over the other? Guidance and examples should be clear to answer these questions to avoid confusion or a heavier control being used instead of a performant and lighter one. First Party controls should use the right control for the right purpose, to try to lead the way in consistent use. |
Yeah, Tab Placement should be up there in the priority list at some-point to match WPF parity for migration scenarios. It's something we didn't have time to add in the initial Toolkit version either though. |
When we scoped this feature, it became a non-goal to support the "property sheet tabs" scenario and to focus on the browser-tabs scenario. We do see some overlap with property sheets, but the property sheet metaphor isn't part of fluent design, we have NavigationView (which has Left/Top modes) for that scenario right now. |
Navigation View is a heavy control, and wants to take up the whole screen. Also Sets is gone from the roadmap, as is the XAML version of Edge. So there may be scope to re-think the TabView/Control to make it more flexible and useful for the future. These scenarios could be possible in UWP XAML apps, if the TabView control were to have the ability to hide the add and close buttons. But there is also Pivot controls, however it only supports pivot headers on top, and Tabs could go on the top, bottom, left or right... |
When we were thinking of the side tabs for the design for the toolkit, we were torn between doing them vertically with rotated text as @mdtauk showed or still having them horizontal and taking up a larger margin to the left/right side like OneNote used to before their latest redesign and akin to WPF (which we would thought would be important for compatibility). So, I'd suggest to keep it as WPF did with the wide-margin and horizontal, but also just make it super simple to support both as shown here, which is another reason to support #546. |
@michael-hawker I endorse having the vertical list of tabs to the right with the wide margin, and making it easy to rotate them as in Visual Studio. It will affect the before and after tab spots, but I will look into doing a design mock up when I return home on Monday |
Like that your tab concept looks much more similar to Edge UWP tabs than Edge Chromium tabs. IMO the look of the tab control should be as close as possible to the tab control in Edge UWP. Acrylic as a tab control background like in Edge UWP also would be quite nice. I still hope the tab-close button can be made like in Edge UWP, where the button is only displayed for the currently selected tab or on tab mouse hover. For the WinUI team: @stmoy Apparently the Windows Terminal team can't use acrylic as a background for the tab control (see microsoft/terminal#1375). The terminal team claims that is due to architectural limitations. Is that something the WinUI team could help with? There seem to be quite a few fans of the acrylic background for the tab control as in Edge UWP. |
@Felix-Dev I know Edgeium is the new design to move towards, but I think the UWP Edge design is a bit nicer - so I wanted to try to bridge that gap
CloseButtonOverlay Is the property that would do that I think |
@mdtauk |
Always visible is best for touch users, so I think the default should be as inclusive as possible |
Perhaps overlay mode fo the close button could be made dependent on the capabilities of the user's display then? Not sure if that could somehow be an issue as then there would be a slight visual difference in the Tab Control depending on the display type. |
That works for things like flyouts because it can detect the type of input that triggered it, providing larger touch targets if summoned by a touch input. This doesn't work for controls always visible, as some touch devices will also have a mouse attached. Developers will be able to change the default option of course, and if an app gets lots of feedback asking for the close button to only show on hover - then they can choose to change it. |
Love this. Just one small thing. When there’s shadow and rounded corners, we might want a little gap in between the selected tab item and the edge of the background. |
Curious why that would be needed... Doesn't the shadow get cropped by the Window frame? Is it just an aesthetic choice so the shadow is visible above? |
@mdtauk : I love seeing these designs! I have a few probing questions:
I'll use these designs to talk with our friends on the Terminal and see what they think. These designs include a few deltas from our current direction, but we will use these to help foster the conversation. @Felix-Dev : Thank you for the feedback; addressing some of your points below.
We're actively iterating with various teams (including Terminal and Edge teams) to try to align the Tabs across these app experiences. As we continue to iterate (and implement items like #524), the Tab control design will look more consistent with the updated controls.
For the short term, we're focusing on implementing the scenarios that Terminal needs and trimming the API surface where appropriate. For v1, we will only support Persistent. That said, I originally spec'd the hover behavior as well because I think it's a great idea. I'm keeping track of these sorts of asks (like x-on-hover, tab placement, etc.) so that we can reassess in the next rev of the control.
We're actively working with the Terminal team. Unfortunately this scenario is a result of a known limitation with Xaml Islands and not with Tabs. We expect that non-Terminal apps should be able to use acrylic background as an "opt-in" feature if the app sets the TabControl.Background to an acrylic brush. |
Yes - I didn't want to confuse my design with an official design comp
Yes, is showing how the left and right buttons would look, and how the tabs would be clipped.
4 epx - I know the guidance is 2epx, but the 4epx height of the selected indicator looked better with 4
40 epx
14 for the tab title text, 16 for the MDL2 icons |
In Edge Canary there is a flag called New tab-loading animation - edge://flags#new-tab-loading-animation Part of the spec should include theme and/or implicit animations such as:
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Is it possible to address this limitation in future versions of Xaml Island? There seems to be a strong desire for background acrylic in the Windows Terminal app, for example. See microsoft/terminal#1375 (comment) and especially the last image in that post (with background acrylic in the titlebar). Also note the many up-votes that post got 😉. Another post with many upvotes here: microsoft/terminal#1375 (comment) Speaking more broadly about the Tabs UI design, also note the supportive reactions to user comments preferring the Edge UWP tabs look over Edge Chromium tab look: microsoft/terminal#1375 (comment) and the post directly below it. If Edge Chromium tabs are meant to represent the future look of (modern) Windows Tabs those overwhelming user reactions might be a reason to re-think the look of tabs both used in Edge Chromium and in WinUI. (Also adding @chigy here so she can notice those tab UI reactions in the Windows Terminal repo.) Edit: Also calling the attention of @marb2000 to this topic as it the Windows Terminal team just reaffirmed that they "won't be able to fix" this issue. How is the WinUI team seeing chances for acrylic titlebar (highly requested!) happening for the Windows Terminal? @stmoy |
@marb2000 @stmoy Please comment on the below question:
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@marb2000 @SavoySchuler @jesbis @jevansaks Pinged everyone one of you guys from the recent community call 😁 Here are three of the main points taken from my posts and the replies above:
Reply by @stmoy:
My question:
Thanks for answering 😁 |
The WinUI Team has opened a spec and PR for this feature.
Proposal: Tabs Control
Summary
The Tab control is a way to display a set of tabs and their respective content. Tab controls are useful for displaying several pages (or documents) of content while giving a user the capability to rearrange, open, or close new tabs.
Rationale
As a UI paradigm, Tabs has been around for a long time, and can be found in everything from dialogs to browsers. The focus for this proposal is "document-style" tabs, which enables a user to rearrange, open, and close new tabs.
Tabs in the Edge browser
Tabs in Visual Studio
Note that "static-style" tabs also exist as a paradigm. "Static-style" tabs are tabs that do not support user interaction beyond switching tabs. UWP already has a solution for static-style tabs in the form of Pivot and NavigationView.
Static-style tabs in WPF
A lack of a proper Tab control has been a continual painpoint in UWP, particularly for developers attempting to migrate from WPF.
The XAML platform provides a number of ways to achieve "static-style" tabs in Pivot and top NavigationView. However, these solutions do not well support "document-style" tabs which support user reorder, opening, and closing tabs. The platform does demonstrate how to create "document-style" tabs in the Van Arsdel sample using top NavigationView:
Although these workarounds have unblocked apps trying to create "document-style" tabs, they have a number of limitations, including:
Fortunately, the Windows Community Toolkit has created a TabView control that helps address some of the aforementioned pain points.
However, the Windows Community Toolkit is a managed/C# project, meaning that customers that don't want to load the CLR or are particularly performance-focused cannot leverage the Windows Community Toolkit implementation.
The goal for this feature proposal is not to "reinvent the wheel" - instead, we hope to take the learnings from the WCT implementation and discussion and build a native control directly into WinUI.
Functional Requirements
Important Notes
To replicate the behavior of Microsoft Edge:
The TabControl also supports databinding:
TabControl properties and events
TabItem properties and events
Open Questions
1. Should Tab Tearoff be something that the control handles or that the app handles?The app will handle it. We will have good samples showing how.
2. Should there be a built-in "Add new tab" button? (I suspect probably not, because the control doesn't own the collection of Tabs.)The app will own the "Add tab" button. In the case of Terminal, for example, they will add a button with a dropdown. Adding an "Add" button doesn't add much value.
3. Should TabItem.Icon be IconElement or IconElementSource?IconElement. IconElementSource is useful when the same icon could appear in multiple places in the tree, which isn't the case here.
How can an app customize that the Selected tab looks like (ie. in Edge)?
The API currently takes a lot of inspiration from the Toolkit. Are there any chances to iterate/improve?
Release Checklists
Prerelease readiness
Stable release readiness
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