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WEBVTT
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Well, once again, this is Ask Your Herb Doctor on KMED 91.1 FM.
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We're both licensed medical herbalists who trained in England,
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We do take callers on the show from 7.30 to 8 o'clock.
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And as always, it has been the format for many years now.
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I can't believe how quickly time has gone by.
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Dr. Raymond Peat will be joining us to share his wisdom.
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This month the subject is going to be a little bit political.
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I can't say it's not because the subject that we'll be covering will definitely involve politics.
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And whilst I'm not advocating any one side for the sake of being neutral,
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there are certain fundamental tenets of freedom of speech, freedom of assembly,
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that this great nation was founded on in 1777 with the Constitution, the Bill of Rights,
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Declaration of Independence, et cetera.
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That's what our whole country is built on.
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So there will be a little political,
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and we invite callers to call in with any questions related or unrelated
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to some of the topics of the political and physiological side of the topic.
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Okay, so if people want to call in, the toll-free number is 1-800-KMUD-RAD.
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That's 1-800-568-3723.
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So we're going to cover -- I think the broad topic is going to be on authoritarianism
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and just to couch those terms that authoritarianism would cover.
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Freedom of expression and freedom of religion and freedom of assembly, et cetera,
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those freedoms are not dominated by authoritarianism.
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And so we're going to bring out both kind of physiological perspective
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as well as mental and political perspectives.
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Once again, we're very pleased to have Dr. Raymond Peat with us.
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And so, Dr. Peat, are you there?
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Yes.
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Hi. Okay, so thanks so much for joining us on the show.
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As always, there are people perhaps who have just tuned in now
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or may listen to this on an audio archive later on on the web.
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Would you just give a line of your background, your scientific background, and your research?
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Yeah, the relative part of my science background is that I descended against some
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of the fundamental ideas in all of the sciences, really, especially in biology.
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I had a master's degree in humanities from the University of Oregon for several years
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before I went to study biology, 1968 to '72 for a Ph.D.
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But I found that when I followed the college instructor's directions to give the students
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different perspectives on scientific issues in a course called Physics for Biology Majors,
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the trustees really didn't want their students to hear the other side of some of the things
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that were issues then in the 1950s, such as the dangers of fallout from radiation or medical radiation.
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So my whole activity over the years has been looking at descending ideas in all of the sciences.
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Okay. So with reference to political ideologies, I know you've mentioned many times from both your run-ins
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or challenges with various authoritarian figures within the studying community in order to gain your Ph.D.,
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in order to pass the exams, not to pass the exams for want of not being intelligent enough
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to write a good enough thesis, but in order to get along.
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It's just like another kind of club where I've known from my own background that there are those people
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who perhaps come up with dissenting, for want of a better word, ideas that are challenged,
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not mainstream, usually vehemently opposed and fundamentally threaten those kind of structures
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that are in place in the ruling ideology of a university for this instance of explanation.
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So in terms of authoritarian figures in the academic background, even, not just talking about politics
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and geopolitics, you've been very familiar with those things that have happened that would either be blocking
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what you would find as new research or old research, which was there, just needed to be uncovered.
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And how do you think that manifests itself in academia?
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In 1965, I saw a really interesting study by a professor at Oregon State University, which I never attended,
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but in this study, she looked at the academic success of graduate students in all the departments, I think,
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at Oregon State, which used to be an agricultural college, so it tends to be more agriculture-oriented
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rather than humanities as the university in Eugene. But she ranked the scores on mental tests,
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I think it was the Miller Analogies test, and she looked at the way the brain functions.
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The Miller Analogies measures mental flexibility as well as vocabulary and other aptitudes,
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but it's heavy on flexibility. They change the rules partly every ten questions or so.
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They use different kinds of analogy. She found that from the lowest academic achievers in graduate school,
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the lowest scores on that test corresponded nicely. And up to the middle range of the Miller Analogies test,
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that increased in rank with the academic success up to the straight A, four-point students.
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But then as the students' mental scores on the Miller Analogies test increased, their grades decreased.
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And again, the very highest on the mental abilities were lower, very unsuccessful graduate students.
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That obviously is a matter of authoritarian fitting in, being other-directed rather than being powered
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by curiosity and desire for knowledge, which really didn't fit in and made them fail.
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Okay. So I think probably just to get into some of the politics, let's go for the jugular and go for some of the politics
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in science, in academia, and then the politics within the framework which those establishments are raised or fostered.
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I think in the past, certainly up until probably the end of the Second World War,
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and I know I've brought this out with you several times about the German repatriation that was demanded
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after the fall of the Third Reich and how the corporate assets within Germany were seized,
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as well as some of the mind capability, the intellectual capability of either the physicists or the chemists
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or pharmacologists, etc., that were working for these big institutions were seized and brought to America.
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How the background of the New World Order was founded and Nuremberg Trials and how that whole thing basically
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virtually acquitted a lot of these people, given that they would then work for the United States
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in their newly seized businesses with newly seized information, and how this New World Order concept
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is very much being exposed today on the Internet, and we're even beginning to see the emergence of news channels
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like Fox, actually openly debating now concepts that Donald Trump's been bringing out in his various rallies.
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He's definitely not bought out, and he's definitely not a politician.
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I hear a lot of the ideologies that he has which seem to harken back to a minimal government,
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the way the Constitution was written, more decision-making by the state, less government involvement,
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make better deals, etc., etc., the kind of rhetoric I know I've heard from him.
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And then we have the counterpart to that in the campaign, Hillary Clinton, who definitely has,
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if you want to go look for it, been implicated with many different, in parentheses, crimes for which
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they're calling for her indictment, whether it's Benghazi or whether it's the email server that got hacked
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or whether it's the funding that she's gotten from dictators and other countries,
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maybe not dictatorial countries, but definitely nations that are certainly opposed to America's ideology.
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Where this brings our country, and in terms of the mindset in academia, the mindset in succeeding in academia,
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because the dogma that's established and is not challenged, that's set up by pharmaceutical companies
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that have a lot of money, a lot of government lobbying power, and how this whole thing really is opposed
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to free will and freedom of expression and a constitutionally sound republic that the republic was built on.
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And free trade, as opposed to free trade.
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Yeah, I mean, there's both the TPP and other policies that have been brought up and documentation that's been brought up
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but certainly not an American-owned or controlled framework, too.
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So I think the whole concept of other powers being in control all kind of rolls into the geopolitical space
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that we're in at the moment with this, gosh, this kind of out of left field comes Donald Trump with his rhetoric
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and the old kind of fabric of control and two-party monopoly, this both Republican and Democrats,
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they both seem to be very much on the same kind of side of the fence and they're all definitely much against Donald Trump
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for whatever it is that he's standing for.
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And I know I've seen him being accused of being fascist, it's definitely one of the words,
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that's why I wanted to bring out the politics side of this hour talk with you, Dr. Peake,
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because I know you've come from a background in academia of being very much aware of the dominant authoritarian background
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who doesn't want to accept your new uncovering of old research that proves otherwise, as well as --
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As well as new research that proves otherwise.
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So in terms of that kind of struggle between academia getting along in society,
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being free enough to have the expression to do that and new ideas and novel concepts come into market
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because of a free market and basically the whole point is that we're not able or we shouldn't be allowed
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and we're not allowed to offend by killing or defaming someone to verbal kind of abuse and physical abuse,
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but that free markets let good ideas come to pass because they give the people the choice to either support it or not.
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Well, it's like the fascist hospitals, too.
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I mean, I was threatened to be thrown out on the streets when I needed care in the hospital
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because I wouldn't go along with one of their procedures.
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I mean, that's fascism.
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Yeah, the ruling class really has defined the words and where Mussolini clearly defined what he called fascism
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as the blending of state power with corporate power.
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That's exactly what is what's going on here right now being called free trade.
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And the trade deals which are essentially allowing the biggest corporations to impose their political standards on the rest of the world in an empire.
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So free trade is really subjecting political rules in other countries to the international corporations benefit.
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The environment in Mexico, for example, has been deteriorating for several decades with the aquiladora industry along the border,
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but then the NAFTA started because corn can be grown industrially on a huge scale in the United States.
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The subsidized corn has to be freely admitted into Mexico for people using subsistence methods dependent for their livelihood on growing their own corn animals.
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And so this subsidized cheap corn displaced farmers and created the influx of immigrants who are wanted for cheap labor in the farms.
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Probably eventually, if there are any factories left, they would be doing aquiladora type work in the US.
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Okay, let me just give a number up for people that may have just tuned.
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You're invited to call him with any questions related or unrelated to this month's kind of mixed topic of politics, authoritarianism, free speech, constitutional rights, alternatives.
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And obviously we're coming from a alternative medicine background.
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Dr. Peat, our guest, PhD endocrinologist, who's been studying and researching many different aspects of longevity as well as hormones, etc.
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that we've normally talk about his very graciously joined us.
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I know you weren't feeling too well earlier, Dr. Peat.
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I was a little wondered whether we'd be doing this, but I appreciate your time coming here.
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You mentioned Mussolini. That's quite interesting, actually, because when I looked earlier and I hadn't even spoken to you all day here, I looked at the what I wanted to.
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I think I'll probably initially what I wanted to do was break down the different political ideologies and see the statements that these political ideologies flew their banner over in order to get a concept of each political mindset.
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And then I think that would probably be a good place to go.
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We have another we have a caller in now who's just decided to call, but let's we can take this caller and then let's move on to the kind of individual political topic banners that each party flies under.
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And let's explore the authoritarian stance amongst that.
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OK, call you on the airway from and what's your question?
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Hi, I'd rather not say where I'm from.
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But anyway, I'm in the area.
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Let's see. Two things. One, one thing that's been bothering me is we really don't have a good vocabulary that a word and we like to use the word fascism, for lack of a better word.
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But it might not be precisely accurate.
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You know, we need a word that that describes something people can think about that that combines the capitalism with the police state covert operation situation that we have with our media and the government and everything.
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So so I think would really help talking about it is that we had some words.
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We need to create them somehow combining, you know, what we the language we have.
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Because when you when you say the corporate media is somebody who doesn't know the field really well, they have no idea what you're talking about.
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And so it's really needed a word that, you know, sort of self-explanatory.
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Right. Another thing I want to talk about briefly.
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And I hate to change the subject to health, but this is usually a health show.
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Sure.
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I was wondering if I see the government is affecting our health.
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That's why we have to talk about it.
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Oh, tell me about it. It's just ridiculous.
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Even if it's just on a stress level.
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My house recently to tell me that that I don't have legal electricity in my mobile.
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That just happened like the last month.
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This drunk shows up telling me that the police are telling her to tell me that I don't have legal electricity.
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So, yeah, that's what the politics are like in the little town I'm living in.
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But anyway, what was the second question?
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That did help.
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I was just wondering if it's not really relevant.
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You don't want to talk about it. I'll call back some other time.
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But I was wondering about how do you like sort of re-inoculate your stomach?
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Like it seems like I've had problems maybe from sulfites that killed off like maybe some of the enzymes.
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They help me digest vegetables and stuff.
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And I'm wondering if you guys have any suggestions how I can how I can sort of re-establish those living organisms that I think made digestion easier when I was younger.
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I was thinking maybe like because I know dairy products.
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It seems like if I eat a lot of cheese and I eat a lot of yogurt, then I can drink milk.
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Whereas if I haven't eaten cheese and yogurt in a while, I have a lot of problems digesting milk.
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And so I was thinking that might be the same situation with vegetables.
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And you might have some ideas maybe would fermented vegetables help or something.
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Do you have any ideas on that?
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If you don't want to talk about it tonight, then I'll call you back some other time.
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No problem.
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We announced questions related or unrelated to tonight's topic.
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So feel welcome to call in about health questions because that's really the most interesting to us anyways.
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Okay.
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So no problem.
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I'll give the recolonization answer to you, Dr.
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P.
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And then I'll cover the fascism because that's actually a bit could be the beginning of the explanation of a different party mindsets.
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And we can explore the authoritarian system.
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I think he mentioned sulfite as a problem.
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He thought that he might have the sulfites might have killed off some good bacteria.
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And I do know from being friends with a winemaker that sulfites are a preservative and they are antimicrobial and they are like a bleaching product.
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Yeah, I think they might also help to initiate allergies that would maybe be interactive with the microbes that are also being damaged by the sulfites.
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The sulfites are reductants and the stress state is an exaggeratedly reduced state and things that promote good oxidative metabolism can help the intestine greatly keeping your thyroid in good condition.
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And sulfites are anti thyroid too, right?
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Yeah.
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And the slightly antiseptic foods such as cooked mushrooms, bamboo shoots, raw carrots and saturated fats.
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These help to keep down the potentially toxic bacteria.
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And saturated fats are like coconut oil is antimicrobial.
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Yeah, and just keeping the digestive system stimulated and very active so that you tend to digest the germs rather than being digested by them.
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Yeah, so keeping your bowel movements frequent.
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And also just another thing, the one probiotic that I found quite useful for me personally was Dr. Ron's Ultra Pure probiotic.
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And that was one I didn't have adverse reactions to and I have had adverse reactions to a lot of the probiotics sold over the counter.
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So that one is over the counter too.
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You can find it online, Dr. Ron's probiotics.
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And yeah, the man mentioned that he was feeling better digesting milk when he had been eating cheese and yogurt.
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And you do get a lot of natural probiotics from eating cultured dairy.
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Okay, so we have another caller. So let's take this other caller before we move on to the politics.
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Caller, you're on the air. Where are you from?
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I'm a local, Garberville.
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Okay.
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And I have the word that the gentleman previously was searching for.
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Which is fascism?
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No, it's a term that is used by the United States State Department.
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And it's called Americanism.
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Americanism.
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Americanization.
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We're trying to Americanize Vietnam.
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We were going to Americanize other countries in South America.
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We were going to Americanize Middle East.
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Americanization.
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That's what we do.
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We know what we're doing.
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When we're doing it's an empire thing.
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And we do it.
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Thank you.
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I wonder if he was old enough to remember when we had the Un-American Activities Commission committee.
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I was born in 1957, and I believe that's around the time that was very active.
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Yeah, in 1960.
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The '60s sort of began when students had a protest in Washington against HUAC, House Un-American Activities Committee.
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And they were really the most un-American part of society, trying to suppress all free thought.
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Absolutely.
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And, well, we're all kind of like singing the song to the choir here, in a way.
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I know.
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You know, locally, our Northern California people are a little bit ahead of the curve of understanding these issues than the rest of the country.
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And thank you for the show, because I know a lot of people from all over the country are listening.
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Thank you so much.
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Yeah, thank you for your call.
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Now, the West Coast is definitely, I'm very pleased, very proud to be an American on the West Coast in California, and where it all started.
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And I'm sure there's going to be many more good things to come out of it, as long as we don't let political correctness take us over,
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because I think that's becoming a really bad problem.
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That can also be talked about.
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Okay, so --
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Or 3911, 923-3911.
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Beg your pardon.
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Okay, 3911.
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I have another little comment on the question of language and what you call it.
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I did my thesis on William Blake, and in the late 1700s, he was -- well, he was tried for sedition in 1804,
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but he was writing things that were potentially disturbing to the ruling class all through the late 1700s.
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And what he was doing was showing the way language was used to deceive the people,
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and he would reverse -- use heaven and hell in opposite senses
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to show how radically the establishment was misusing language to impose its own ideas on the people.
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And the current public relations psychology, people working for political control,
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it has developed all during the 20th century, but they're doing exactly the opposite.
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They're doing studies to find which words are most manipulative, which mislead the people most effectively.
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And the categories of right-wing, left-wing, conservative, and so on are being manipulated deliberately.
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Okay, good.
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We do have another caller, so let's get this caller taken, and we'll see where we go with this next question.
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Caller, where are you from?
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Yes, hello?
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Hi.
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I hear a lot about political correctness, and I'm not sure what that means.
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What is political correctness?
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Okay, as the way I understand political correctness, it's basically not having your own thoughts,
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not saying what you feel for fear of upsetting somebody.
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It's basically the opposite of freedom of speech.
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Political correctness is essentially a tyranny, and we can get into that too because in England--
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Well, it's so vague.
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I mean, I can understand not saying racial slurs.
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That doesn't sound very socially correct.
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I don't know about politically, but what cannot be said politically?
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Well, it's about the ruling class that are ruling that nation or that state and their ideologies
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and what does or doesn't agree with their political agenda on whether or not they're going to get voted back in next time by you or me.
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So whatever the political correctness is, it's usually what the political ideals are and not to go against them.
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That's very much a suppression of freedom of speech in my--
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Well, I know Donald Trump loves to talk about he can't stand political correctness,
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but he says horribly slanderous things.
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He says completely opposite things.
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He's always changing his mind.
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Well, you know, as far as I remember, that's nothing actually stopping that from happening.
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America has a freedom of expression mandate in its First Amendment, so there isn't actually anything wrong with that.
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I think the only thing that the United States actually guards against--
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You think there's nothing wrong with him lying?
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Oh, lying.
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He's changing his mind all the time and insulting a huge amount of people?
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That's very much down to the person who thinks that they have the truth and the person who feels they're being insulted,
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but what is very much frowned upon or in fact prohibited is actually physically harming someone.
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You can take your placard into the Garboville town center, for example, and you can start protesting whatever you want.
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That's freedom of speech, and as long as you're not hurting anybody, you can say what you want to.
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I think in terms of--
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Well, Donald Trump is actually advocating beating people up.
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I heard him say it myself.
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I saw a lot of it on television.
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I saw a lot of the things that he said, and he said some pretty outrageous things and some very contradictory things.
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The media are amplifying the things he says and ignoring similar things that Hillary Clinton does.
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She's a big name-caller, except she is more politically correct in the way she does it,
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and she does it to promote the possibility of war and the expansion of the empire.
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I haven't heard her say anything that sounds like that.
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Yeah, she is called Putin.
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I've heard--what?
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She's called Putin a Hitler.
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She said similar things about North Korea and China.
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Well, Putin doesn't allow homosexuality in his country.
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I mean, that's pretty rigid.
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You know, that's pretty intense.
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But Trump, you know, he talks about, you know, not letting any Muslims in.
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He said until they're properly--
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How about we don't let any white people in?
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What about white American terrorists that are white people?
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The Muslim reference was to being vetted before they come here,
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like anybody entering the United States should be going through a regular due process.
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You sound like you like Donald Trump.
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Say again?
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You sound like you like Donald Trump.
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Yeah, I do like some of his policies, actually.
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I think from a free-thinking perspective of being in business
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and generating income for the least amount of money,
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I think he could do great things for this country in terms of saving us money.
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Well, first of all, he says that he's going to bring back all the jobs from overseas
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and make all these companies bring their jobs back to America.
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Doesn't that sound good?
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And yet he himself has companies in China.
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So isn't that a bit hypocritical?
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Maybe his will be the first to come back to the U.S.
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How can he demand that other people bring their--