Passports / ID

[dharmocracy]

Chris asked me to post my concerns here. PLEASE Stay away from terms PASSPORT & CITIZEN

you are walking into a legal minefield. I am happy to discuss my terms with all of you.

[12:24:18 AM] cittadhammobhikkhu: if you are around i would like to know how to get in touch with ben.. or can email you to forward. also keep me in the loop about the citizenship idea..
[12:33:58 AM] cittadhammobhikkhu: Rhian raised the point of having people recognizing the document or passport. this is something that you will encounter by all officials. the quick and simple way is to have the ID accompanied by an affidavit... the only way to rebutt an affidavit is in a court and the person doing the rebutting MUST have personal first hand knowledge -- which they wont have unless they were present at the time of signing... i really think you need to think the whole citizenship thing through before issuing...
[12:35:06 AM] cittadhammobhikkhu: it COULD result in someone being arrested for presenting FAKE documents or Immitation passports... has happened to people already.
[12:36:43 AM] cittadhammobhikkhu: Joe the butcher in your scenario would be held liable for all costs of repatriation etc. i help refugees and we look into these issues all the time
[12:43:21 AM] Christopher Ellis: wow
[12:43:40 AM] Christopher Ellis: ok I need to talk you through the forking of the project on Github because you’re saying very important things
[12:44:39 AM] cittadhammobhikkhu: i really think you will come unstuck with passport
[12:44:51 AM] cittadhammobhikkhu: please look at ID first
[12:45:17 AM] cittadhammobhikkhu: Natural Person Acting in Private Capacity
[12:46:53 AM] cittadhammobhikkhu: you can travel to a country using a bond... as i said the passport is issued to return people to a country -- which is why many ' aliens ' destroy there own passports
[12:49:00 AM] cittadhammobhikkhu: i will seak off air about people smuggling -- i know a lot and cannot say on air but you people must understand how the system works.. like benefit cheats always know more than the officials.. smugglers are same with passports.
[12:51:24 AM] cittadhammobhikkhu: just make sure you/ we can trust those we are talking with... prefer nobody records but will take that on trust. my background is very colourful .. but since a monk i have done nothing wrong... happy to share with you and those who are in the citizenship prog

please concentrate on IDENTIFICATION
please use the word NETIZEN or something that has no specific country

*** your first step should be to prove identity for the PERSON ACTING in PRIVATE CAPACITY.. that way you stay out of officialdom.. you are not impersonating anyone or any position other than a human being -- thus proving the bearer has HUMAN RIGHTS

MY own thoughts are that this process should be done in steps -- then use the ID to create other documents .. ie CHRIS ELLIS may want another ID in a capacity of INDEPENDENT MEDIA REPORTER.. he could use the first ID to create the second.

Handing an official the first ID would mean Chris is not acting as a reporter etc

[msdl-bot]

Greetings, all. I was thinking about this as well.

Might not ready for the government passport/id stage until there is critical mass around the world (at least here in the us) with accompanying legal and political support in place. I can see this being misconstrued and possibly abused by people such as right wing militias and left ecogroups who already have major beef with usg in the case of us here in North America.

This is my first ever commit on github so let me know if i need to create a seperate issue, but i was wondering if it could just be used as another tool to verify existing identiy. The same way some people use their public encryption key in their signature online.

Seems to me like the main thing would be a major educational effort for those who are okay with using their public identity online.

I am currently at a hackathon working on a project and i am wondering if this technology could be used to strengthen grassroots political discussion here in the united states by people expressing rational thought out political views in a community created for explicitely that purpose.

This type of identification technology could help give the participants of the dialog a stronger public identity in that forum and verify that they are not an disruptive trolls or paid shills hiding behind multiple fake accounts.

All that being said, once the kinks are worked out and awareness is raised to facilitate mass utilization (between 10 -100K+ users?), the parties we see currenty as a threat to this iniatitive would almost be forced to, at minimum, recognize it as valid, if not adopt as a supporting standard of identity verification.

Any feedback greatly appreciated.

[relabit]

In regards to the purpose of this project being one for a unique, reproducable ID for every human, the secondary matter of memberships, citizenships, legal person-hood and property are optional associations one may or may not choose to affiliate with the representation of their sentient being and it's attached meatsack.

[Jzarecta]

I wonder how different is this to the World passport:
http://www.worldservice.org/docpass.html

According to Wikipedia he did got sued but the project did survvie and gain some level of legitimacy.
The World Passport is similar in appearance to a national passport or other travel document. Indeed, the appearance is so close that in 1974 a criminal case was lodged against Garry Davis in France regarding his issuance of World Passports.[3] In 1979, the World Passport was a 42-page document, with a dark blue cover, and text in English, French, Spanish, Russian, Arabic, Chinese, and Esperanto. It contained a five-page section for medical history and a six-page section for listing organisational affiliation. The fee charged at that time was $32 and postage for a three-year passport with the possibility of two years' extension of validity.[4]

[wrapperband]

pass port - does seem to have some connotations, what about renaming it Worldentity ?