STM32F405 Express, PCB error about SD card detection #1

dombru54 · 2022-07-27T12:07:43Z

Hello,

With your STM32F405 Feather Express card, the PB12 pin (cardDetect) is always to 0 (GND).
This is due to a short circuit with the card reader double pin 10

Error in the card reader manufacturer's datasheet and red correction

With actual PCB, cut ground track with a scalpel, at the edge of the metal case

Thanks to make a revision of this board
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ladyada · 2022-07-27T15:49:13Z

thanks for the note - we'll fix this on the next PCB run!

javiBajoCero · 2023-04-13T17:21:50Z

Howdy @dombru54 , thanks for your work, i just purchased two feathers from here, and i quickly found the same problem (fixed with your same solution)

I dont see any Hardware revision markings in my boards, so there is no way for me to guess if either berrybase had old stock or this error wasnt fixed yet (for sure isnt fixed in adafruits repo).

dombru54 · 2023-04-14T12:20:17Z

@javiBajoCero ,
It is with great pleasure that I welcome your return, my friend.
I also invite you to see another of my work on the Oled feather
adafruit/Adafruit-OLED-FeatherWing-PCB#10
Best regards

dombru54 · 2023-04-14T12:36:30Z

@javiBajoCero ,
In addition, if you work with STM32CubeIDE, you must modify :
".....\STM32CubeIDE\workspace_1.8.0\project\FATFS\Target\fatfs_platform.c"

uint8_t	BSP_PlatformIsDetected(void) {
    uint8_t status = SD_PRESENT;
    /* Check SD card detect pin */
    if(HAL_GPIO_ReadPin(SD_DETECT_GPIO_PORT, SD_DETECT_PIN) != GPIO_PIN_RESET)
    {
        status = SD_NOT_PRESENT;
    }
    /* USER CODE BEGIN 1 */
    /* user code can be inserted here */
    // Correction de l'erreur génèrée dans le code par MX, au dessus
    if(HAL_GPIO_ReadPin(SD_DETECT_GPIO_PORT, SD_DETECT_PIN) == GPIO_PIN_SET){	// carte présente = 1 (SET)
    	status = SD_PRESENT;
    }
    /* USER CODE END 1 */
    return status;

javiBajoCero · 2023-04-14T13:52:07Z

Thanks for your advice, i was trying to make SD+SDIO(4bits) work but, two days later, still nothing.
(for context i have developed SD+SPI projects in the past)

It doesnt work for me with STM32 HAL CUbeMX based, not even when i switched to arduino to test my sanity

I know statistically im messing up something in my code but seeing they missed this SD detection Gpio, im starting to be afraid they didnt tested the SD at all .

If you have any more clues or repos with working code let me know

dombru54 · 2023-04-14T19:37:10Z

@javiBajoCero ,
All the SDIO 4 bits mode works on the Feather ! but ....
"two days later, still nothing." .... normal ... ;>) .... SDIO is very poorly documented.
I struggled for more than a week before having all the elements !!!

SDIO clock is based on USB clock at 48MHz.

After, you must use a divider with ClockDiv = 3 , especially not another value ... for me
SDIO_CK = SDIOCLK / (2 + CLKDIV) => SDIO_CK = 48MHz/(2+3) = 9.6 MHz

  static void MX_SDIO_SD_Init(void) {
  hsd.Instance = SDIO;
  hsd.Init.ClockEdge = SDIO_CLOCK_EDGE_RISING;
  hsd.Init.ClockBypass = SDIO_CLOCK_BYPASS_DISABLE;
  hsd.Init.ClockPowerSave = SDIO_CLOCK_POWER_SAVE_DISABLE;
  hsd.Init.BusWide = SDIO_BUS_WIDE_1B;
  hsd.Init.HardwareFlowControl = SDIO_HARDWARE_FLOW_CONTROL_DISABLE;
  hsd.Init.ClockDiv = 3; }

dombru54 · 2023-04-15T07:02:15Z

@javiBajoCero ,

For good precision, it is more than recommended to use the 2 quartz, therefore the 2 LSE and HSE modes.

void SystemClock_Config(void) {
  .......
  RCC_OscInitStruct.OscillatorType = RCC_OSCILLATORTYPE_HSE|RCC_OSCILLATORTYPE_LSE;
  RCC_OscInitStruct.HSEState = RCC_HSE_ON;
  RCC_OscInitStruct.LSEState = RCC_LSE_ON;
  RCC_OscInitStruct.PLL.PLLState = RCC_PLL_ON;
  RCC_OscInitStruct.PLL.PLLSource = RCC_PLLSOURCE_HSE;
  .......

dombru54 · 2023-04-15T07:44:24Z

@javiBajoCero ,
Feather has a trap about its serigraphy, 2 "Bats" with 2 different functions, one for powering on LiPo connector and the other on backing up the RTC.

dombru54 · 2023-04-15T13:01:31Z

@javiBajoCero ,
4. For the SDIO to work, you must activate the USB pins, maybe to run USB clock.
Here is the complete pinout of my cubeMX project :
- I use "Adafruit FeatherWing OLED" : https://github.com/adafruit/Adafruit-OLED-FeatherWing-PCB
- My sensors board is FlowMotion Breakout on I2C and SPI bus : https://www.bitcraze.io/products/old-products/flow-breakout/
Magenta pins => not connected to the PCB.
Orange pins => declared but not used

javiBajoCero · 2023-04-15T16:30:00Z

Hi @dombru54 , first thanks for all of your tips, they are gold!

I got it to work yesterday, my problems were ;

the clock divider was too low (default divider was 0 so resulting SDIO clock was 42Mhz, way too fast)
the SD detect logic needded to be reversed (fatfs_platform.c)
fatfs library doesnt like to be breakpointed by the debugger.

About your tips:

SDIO clock is based on USB clock at 48MHz.

I see youre using a super old version of cubeMX, why is that?

In my Cube version i cannot se any SDIO dedicated box in the clock graphic config tool.
I tought the SDIO was clocked with the APB2 peripheral clock.

i am not enabling the USB and SDIO works as expected.

2.After, you must use a divider with ClockDiv = 3 , especially not another value ... for me

bingo, this was one of the problems i had, apparently SDIO really dislikes being clocked further than 24Mhz
as my APB2 is clocked to 84Mhz by using a divide factor of 4 i get 14Mhz for the SDIO and it works.

3.For good precision, it is more than recommended to use the 2 quartz, therefore the 2 LSE and HSE modes.

I had this present since the start, always HSE (xtal), my last job consisted in 2 painfull years of mitigating the cathastrophic decision someone had using a HSI for automotive CANbus connected systems. (because it worked for them in the lab)

4.4. For the SDIO to work, you must activate the USB pins, maybe to run USB clock.

Thanks for sharing your design!, i didnt need to enable the USB for my progect to work tough, check it out in here https://github.com/javiBajoCero/featherSDcardTests

dombru54 · 2023-04-15T17:24:21Z

Hello @javiBajoCero ,
Thanks for sharing your experience.

I don't have an old version, it's a copy of web image ... ;>) ...
the "Clock configuration" is not complete, it lacks sharing modes between LSE and MSI, for example ... but also SDIO clock ...

I'm happy for you, Thanks for RM0090, but i'm surprised.
page 1022 :
HSE is also very important for the PDM bus with microphones (ultrasonic acoustic spectrum aliasing of decimation).
Thank you for this surprising information.

Hope to read you soon

dombru54 · 2023-04-15T19:31:37Z

Hello @javiBajoCero ,

see AN3988 : https://www.st.com/resource/en/application_note/an3988-clock-configuration-tool-for-stm32f40xx41xx427x437x-microcontrollers-stmicroelectronics.pdf
see "Clock configuration tool" STSW-STM32091 : https://www.st.com/en/development-tools/stsw-stm32091.html
it's an Excel sheet : "STM32F4xx_Clock_Configuration_V1.1.0.xls"

SYL

javiBajoCero · 2023-04-16T09:28:02Z

Its my first time working with stm32's F4 family, so i was just clicking my way with cubeMx doing all the clock configs.

SDIO is indeed very poorly documented.
It seems SDIO uses indeed two different clocks comming from two different places, one for the APB interface and another for the "adapter".

see AN3988

So my guess is , cubeMX is enabling the SDIOCLK somwhere for me.
No clue of where PLL48CLK is, there is a lack of consistent naming in these stm ap notes.

It looks to me , somewhere, there is a PLL48CLK from which USB and SDIO clocks would come from, USB would only work with sharp 48Mhz so if enabled, all the rest of peripherals whose clock comes from PLL48CLK will need to work with 48Mhz as well.

No idea where PLL48CLK is but for sure is available without initialising USB.

dombru54 · 2023-04-16T10:05:01Z

Hello @javiBajoCero ,
In one of your repo first page, you can add our sharing ... a gold mine .... ;>) ...
SYL

dombru54 · 2023-04-16T13:17:54Z

Hello @javiBajoCero ,
if you like "Feather factor form", you must absolutely see the great "Swan Blues Wireless", STM32L4R5 :
https://blues.io/products/swan/
https://www.hackster.io/news/swan-from-blues-wireless-is-the-most-expandable-feather-compatible-board-to-date-01132f5a0a91
https://github.com/gauteh/swan-stm32l4r5-quickstart
https://blog.adafruit.com/2021/09/30/the-blues-wireless-swan-a-feather-board-based-on-the-stm32l4r5-feather-blueswireless/

Version 1.7 :

Multi-layers board, V1.7, it exists Version 3.0 :

javiBajoCero · 2023-04-16T19:35:18Z

In one of your repo first page, you can add our sharing ... a gold mine .... ;>) ...

I didnt understood that sorry.

"Swan Blues Wireless"

this looks very nice!!! i will stick with adafruit feather tough.
I just wanted some hardware to test my code before spending money manufacturing my own thing.
I dont care much about the form factor, i just wanted some STMf4 with a Sd card and neopixel.

dombru54 · 2023-04-16T22:08:45Z

Hello @javiBajoCero ,
In one of your repo first page, you can add our sharing ... a gold mine .... ;>) ...

Sorry, most directly, you could insert the link to this issue in the file "readme.md" of https://github.com/javiBajoCero/featherSDcardTests ...
This might help a reader of your repo.

Neopixel ... I understand why : https://www.hackster.io/javier-munoz-saez/coding-your-own-neopixel-driver-baremetal-stm32-b6b4d0

You say : "fatfs library doesnt like to be breakpointed by the debugger" : strange, maybe due to an interraction between Debugger clock and SDIO clocks ... I never had this problem.

SYS

aspence · 2023-11-28T21:33:40Z

Hi all!

Trying to use the SD card on this board over SDIO within ST32duino. We can program the board and get data from an MSA311 over the qic connect, but we can't get SD.begin() to work. Initially, it would hang for a long time at this step (multiple seconds), and then fail. We think we found the letter "B" with a circle around it on the board, suggesting this was a Rev B board with the card detect trace error. We cut that trace with an exacto. Now, it fails much more quickly. Our hypotheses as to the problem are:

We are not initializing the library correctly
We are not formatting the SD card correctly
There is still a wiring error.

Details of each are:

Our code is along the lines of
#include <STM32SD.h>

setup:
SD.setDX(PC8,PC9,PC10,PC11);
SD.setCK(PC12);
SD.setCMD(PD2);
if (!SD.begin(PB12)) { // detect
Serial.println('failure to init');
while(1);
}

we are not including a PinName library - but it compiles so I assume that's ok...

We have a 120gb SD card. In windows, we erased all partitions and created a single 3.5 gb fat32 partition. we did not alter the partition table.
The fact that the boot time/error time changed after we cut the trace suggested it did something, but it still gives an error on startup. We dont have a known good SD card around to try.

It would be very useful to hear from anyone who has gotten this working with code similar to the above for setting the pins, and with just cutting the trace.

If we need to mess with changing things in libraries or adjusting clock timings, then i think we'll just stack an adalogger feather wing on it and communicate with the SD card via SPI or something simpler.

Thank you for any input!

dombru54 · 2023-11-29T10:08:01Z

Hello,

I think that if the card had been revised, I would have been warned.

First, verify PB12 pin (cardDetect) with voltmeter.

Sorry, i don't know STM32duino, i just use STM32codeIDE.
Maybe, you must modify a part of your library ... (insert correction code between user code balises) as this :

".....\STM32CubeIDE\workspace_1.8.0\project\FATFS\Target\fatfs_platform.c"

uint8_t	BSP_PlatformIsDetected(void) {
    uint8_t status = SD_PRESENT;
    /* Check SD card detect pin */
    if(HAL_GPIO_ReadPin(SD_DETECT_GPIO_PORT, SD_DETECT_PIN) != GPIO_PIN_RESET)
    {
        status = SD_NOT_PRESENT;
    }
    /* USER CODE BEGIN 1 */
    /* user code can be inserted here */
    // Correction de l'erreur génèrée dans le code par MX, au dessus
    if(HAL_GPIO_ReadPin(SD_DETECT_GPIO_PORT, SD_DETECT_PIN) == GPIO_PIN_SET){	// carte présente = 1 (SET)
    	status = SD_PRESENT;
    }
    /* USER CODE END 1 */
    return status;

timurkelin · 2024-10-06T21:12:40Z

Hi @javiBajoCero,

Did you finally manage to make the SD card work?

I'm at the same standpoint. I started the discussion and shared my observations in here:
https://forums.adafruit.com/viewtopic.php?p=1031343#p1031343

javiBajoCero · 2024-10-07T07:59:19Z

Hi @javiBajoCero,

Did you finally manage to make the SD card work?

I'm at the same standpoint. I started the discussion and shared my observations in here: https://forums.adafruit.com/viewtopic.php?p=1031343#p1031343

yup, i managed
https://github.com/javiBajoCero/featherSDcardTests

dombru54 mentioned this issue Apr 19, 2023

Link to : adafruit/Adafruit-Feather-STM32F405-Express-PCB/issues/1 javiBajoCero/featherSDcardTests#1

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