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Modifying existing loadouts with WS+RF #421

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costno opened this issue Apr 10, 2024 · 6 comments
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Modifying existing loadouts with WS+RF #421

costno opened this issue Apr 10, 2024 · 6 comments

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@costno
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costno commented Apr 10, 2024

Updated planned changes
Impending changes:

All Factions

  • Medics get unique medium bag to make them visually distinct

3IFB

  • Galat + RPK randomization for AR
  • Hades DM
  • Mix in guerrilla uniforms from CDLCs

AAF

  • SA-77 for MMG
  • RPG-42 RAT (more fun gameplay wise)

CTRG

  • Glock 19

FIA

  • Replace Raven vest with 4 variants of TacVest (camelbak versions + camo version)
  • SA-77 for MMG
  • RPG-42 RAT
  • Hades DM

LDF

  • Glock 19
  • Uniform randomization weighted away from tank-top

NATO

  • Downgrade to MAAWS rail for RATs (range finder built in is too strong. Hell I'd do this to MAT too.)

NPR

  • Hades DM
  • Galat AR

Syndikat

  • Velko series replace rifles (5.56 makes the LIM jeeps make more sense)
  • Lose the berets? Bandannas, Boonies, etc headwear.
  • Remove paramilitary 5 uniform from pool (shorts and sandals)
  • Replace facewear options with the new Syndikat face options.
  • SA-77 MMG
  • Green Raven Vest

Original Post:

I'm not going to advocate for adding any factions to assignGear until someone does the ever-elusive refactor (PMC and UN templates when?), but we could change some stuff using the new gear from the CDLCs.

FIA:

  • use some of the tactical rigs with camelbaks/more vest options in general. It's weird for ragtag guerrillas to all have the same fancy black vest.
  • a couple new uniform variants exist
  • Maybe a Hades for DM

CSAT:

  • I feel like Nikko and I have quietly pivoted to a much better looking CSAT with black vests and the black LoW basic helmet
  • WS adds a better arid hex light uniform (not a space suit), plus the black basic helmet variant.
  • Each of these differences make for a much less space bug looking CSAT, and I'm going to be doing it myself to all my CSAT missions but am wondering if we should just do it as part of the template.

SA-77 7.62 mg with 100 round belts probably belongs in some of the factions, maybe FIA MMG

Not directly tied to WS+RF but I'd like to give medics specific backpacks. Medical branch gave them _bagLarge but for some factions that means the carryall which looks kind of goofy. I'd like to make medics visually distinct and use the tactical backpack.

Also, FIA and AAF RATs should use RPG-42s. These are more interesting from a gameplay perspective vs the kill anything anywhere anytime MAAWS. MAT stays the same

Thoughts? Also post other things I've missed.

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As previously stated, the basic helmets are a bit... basic, the FIA thing I agree.

Crawling through what we use now, a few thoughts:

  • Of the 13 (11, really) factions, 4 (3IFB, NPR, Spetznaz and Syndikat) are all AK based, It would be cool to swap, eg. Syndikat to R5GL/R4/R5 gl/r/car. Maybe mix in some Galats. Also, we use 4-Five as "Nato gun" (NATO, LDF, CTRG), give Synds deagles.
  • Same as above, retool Spetznaz for Veles, maybe? No idea what the AR would be.
  • SA-77 and Hades come in green digi camo, and can replace Zafir and Mk18 as MMG and DM for AAF.
  • It occurs to me that CTRG loadouts are SPAR-16(556), SPAR-17(762, DM), and LRR(AT gun, SN). Would it make sense to switch DM/SN to black Hades/Spar-17?
  • ATM, only NPR has a shotgunner (Kozlice). Which faction would benefit from the AA-12?
  • MMG, right now, CSAT/CSATP have Navids, CTRG, NATO and LDF use SPMGs, everyone else (6 factions) uses Zafirs. We could mix it up with SA-77/SA-77C for, let's say, AAF, FIA, and Syndikat.

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costno commented Apr 20, 2024

As previously stated, the basic helmets are a bit... basic, the FIA thing I agree.

Crawling through what we use now, a few thoughts:

  • Of the 13 (11, really) factions, 4 (3IFB, NPR, Spetznaz and Syndikat) are all AK based, It would be cool to swap, eg. Syndikat to R5GL/R4/R5 gl/r/car. Maybe mix in some Galats. Also, we use 4-Five as "Nato gun" (NATO, LDF, CTRG), give Synds deagles.
  • Sounds cool. I would think maybe NPR with R5 makes sense as it's not unlike a Beryl for our not unlike Poland LDF deserters
  • Same as above, retool Spetznaz for Veles, maybe? No idea what the AR would be.
  • My only concern here is that the Veles is very much a special purpose CQB weapon, and the AK-12s + RPK 12s make the most sense for Spetznaz. Veles being low velocity will make it difficult to use outside of urban combat.
  • SA-77 and Hades come in green digi camo, and can replace Zafir and Mk18 as MMG and DM for AAF.
  • Yes but also I like the plain black in general more than any gun that has digi camo print in game.
  • It occurs to me that CTRG loadouts are SPAR-16(556), SPAR-17(762, DM), and LRR(AT gun, SN). Would it make sense to switch DM/SN to black Hades/Spar-17?
  • LRR is the intervention, which you have to have for CTRG ever since all ghillied up.
  • ATM, only NPR has a shotgunner (Kozlice). Which faction would benefit from the AA-12?
  • PMC/ION in the future.
  • MMG, right now, CSAT/CSATP have Navids, CTRG, NATO and LDF use SPMGs, everyone else (6 factions) uses Zafirs. We could mix it up with SA-77/SA-77C for, let's say, AAF, FIA, and Syndikat.
  • Heavy agree.

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costno commented Apr 22, 2024

In addition to FIA aesthetic changes, are we opposed to giving Syndikat green vests (WS version of their current black vest) and boonies/bandannas/baseball caps (or would that make them too much like FIA). I figure 3IFB is our real beret faction.

I'm in favor of making Syndikat our Velko users as well if only because we have a lot of AK factions.

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Also, Gendarmerie marksman currently uses a SPAR. Would Hades be a better fit?

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costno commented Apr 27, 2024

I'm feeling like the Hades, while very fun mechanically, only really makes sense for an underfunded guerrilla force. It's a civilian hunting/sport rifle, and with the number of semi-auto DM rifles in the game I think that the Hades only really makes sense for FIA, NPR, and maybe Gendarmerie

@NikkoJT NikkoJT added this to the 3.6.0 milestone Oct 5, 2024
@SamLex SamLex added S4:Merged; Awaiting Testing and removed S0:Needs Discussion Ideas, Proposals and other issues that need to be discussed. labels Nov 17, 2024
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SamLex commented Nov 29, 2024

Testing on dev (06ff60f) - PASS

  • In non-dedicated MP with a mission created from the template with my assignGear showcase script added:
    • Spot checking, all looks correct to the changes listed in the above "Updated planned changes" section

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