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proposal: spec: reduce noise in return statements that contain mostly zero values #21182
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Why not named returns? |
I like this idea, but I can't think of any place where I'd use it for anything other than filling in all but the last value. Given that, I think one could reasonably make it a little less general and allow only this form (allowing any expression instead of err, naturally)
Note the lack of comma. I'm not sure whether it's better with a space before "err" or not. |
@OneOfOne Naked returns are fine for very short functions but are harder to scale: it gets too easy to accidentally return partially constructed values or the wrong err because of shadowing. Other than that, or maybe because of that, I like the explicit syntax better. A naked return says "go up to the function signature to see what can be returned, then trace through the code to see what actually gets returned here" whereas @rogpeppe that was the original syntax proposed that I based this proposal off of. I don't like it because it appears to be a spread operator common in dynamic languages so it's a bit confusing. Having the comma makes it superficially more similar to "⋯" in mathematical writing and with like purpose. I agree that this would almost always be used as |
@jimmyfrasche I just don't see that it would ever be used, and given that, the comma seems like unnecessary overhead for what would be a very commonly used idiom. How many places in existing code can you find where eliding all but the first argument (or all but several arguments) would be useful? |
If we permit both |
@rogpeppe @ianlancetaylor that's a fine point. Impossible to implement is justification enough for me. Though it would be possible to implement in some cases, where Another option, that I'm fairly sure is a bad idea, would be to allow "keyed returns" to work in conjunction with named returns, by analogy with keyed struct literals:
though that would interact poorly with the semantics of the naked return. If |
Counter-proposal that has been suggested elsewhere in the past (#19642). Allow E.g. given the function signature
|
When your functions has so many return values that typing them becomes a chore, that's a sign that you need to redesign your function, not the language. |
I think the example was given simply to provide a one of each function signature that is useful as a showcase. While not likely to see so many return values in real world code, returning the zero value of a struct using |
@davecheney indeed. My argument is that the primary benefit of the succinct syntax is that it improves the readability. If it makes it easier to type that's just a bonus. If you see You don't need to double check for things that are suspiciously close to a zero value like It's immediately obvious that the only relevant value is
can be pattern matched by your brain as a unit without having to actually inspect anything. I'm sure we all do that now with similar blocks that contain one or more zero value-like expression. It's bitten me once or twice when I was debugging and my eye glazed over something that looked too close to a zero value making it hard to spot the obvious problem (I of course do not admit publicly to being the person who shadowed nil . . .). I'm fine with how it is, however. This is just a potential way to make it a little bit easier. @mewmew yes this proposal is based on a comment from that proposal (see the History section). I don't particularly see the point of the generic zero value except in the case of returns. It would solve the same problem, of course. (I would like to be able to use |
@davecheney sometimes it's not the number of return values, it's their struct-ness. Typing That said, this particular proposal is not the only way to sooth that chore, as the OP noted. |
Reopening per discussion in #33152. |
I am in favor of allowing only the The main benefit of this for me is that it would let me use a dumb macro to expand ife into if err != nil {
return ..., err
} Yes, a sufficiently smart IDE macro could look at the function return arguments to fill those in for me, but why not just simplify it so only the important information is emphasized? |
What about letting So: func foo() (*T, error) {
if fail {
return errors.New("foo")
}
return new(T)
} |
Does anybody see any problems with this language change? We think we should consider just the simple case: -- for @golang/proposal-review |
@bradfitz that seems like it could cause too much fun when the return signature changes in a long func or one of the return types now satisfies an interface. It would also be unusable with |
That's a feature. |
Placing on hold for more thought and later discussion. |
Placed on hold. |
Any updates? I am still hoping for this any of these changes to make the To summarize the whole conversation: The problem is with a return type that has multiple returns like
The original proposal was to allow return ..., err Discussions on this on this included allowing That led to the discussion of allowing zero value in the returns. Either as return _, _, err Or create a new Go builtin return zero, zero, err The complaint with a zero is if your return signature changes all the error lines also need to change. I would be happy with any of them! I personally like the |
I was guilty of that last week as well. 😅 |
Considering only the beginning and end, not the middle part may be more appropriate
|
Something I didn't see any mention for was the pain of refactoring all the return error statements when a complex function with multiple return values requires changing the list of its return types (add or remove return elements). This proposal significantly simplifies this process. |
I am fan of the Either way, I would love to see this issue move forward! |
@Nasfame I personally think |
@Nasfame I agree that the tooling, especially linters, has gotten much better. My issue is like you said, you needed "extensive usage over time" to prevent the bugs. I have coworkers who don't install all the tools in vim or are just new to Go. I don't like "naked returns" because it means I have to be constantly vigilant in my code reviews for a bug that wouldn't exist if you just didn't use them. |
Bringing this up again.
What ellipsis offers is being able to skip multiple return values together, but let's face it: if you have functions with +3 return values, you have much bigger problems than the extra typing needed for returns. %99 of legit Go code I've seen returned either a single value, a value and an error, or in rare cases, two values and an error. And I can say that the latter case has almost always been the result of a rushed change or a lazy programmer. For the underscore proposal, I also suggest preventing Having said that, what about defining the behavior of _ as returning "some" value with the corresponding type? The initial implementation may be in fact zero, but by not guaranteeing a zero value we can prevent the misuse. And this may even enable some optimizations in the compiler. e.i when an underscore is returned, compiler can save some CPU cycles from unnecessary zeroing out bytes in the return segment of the stackframe and just let the caller get whatever value's already in there? |
I would like to suggest using As @vispariana mentioned, the This has the advantage of being familiar syntax, and more readable for newcomers. Examples: return any..., err
return true, any..., err
return x, any... By allowing only 1 instance of |
@lorena-mv return [T any]T[]{...}..., err which could perhaps be shortened to something like return [any]..., err Where this can potentially be generalized to allow the writing of a type in a return statement to give the zero value of that type as the return value (and ellipsis will return multiple of that value). I think though that this is all more confusing than other alternatives already given here. |
We have seen in this thread return _, err // 1 value in addition to `err`
return _, _, err // 2 values in addition to `err`
return _..., err // any number of values in addition to `err` |
Hey @rsc , do you know if there is a plan to proceed with this proposal? |
The proposal is on hold. It would need to come off hold and be approved by the Go proposal review team. |
I would like to know if there are more details on why this was put on hold last time, and if there are any plans to take it off hold again? |
@vispariana it requires to insersect several language features so it went on hold for more thoughts. |
To me, this proposal could have a side effect of encouraging bad API design. I haven't come across many use cases where the number of zero values I'm returning as anything but an indicator that there's a better abstraction/type to return instead. Often the pain of managing that many return values (or arguments) is a feedback loop for a refector. Using spread syntax in a completely different context doesn't feel like a worthy trade-off for this. |
I think this improvement has the opportunity to address more than just "make my code look nicer." So the retorts of "maybe it's time to clean up your return values!" have a dissonant ring to them. I am eager to see either the spread In my early days of Go, I remember briefly being confused by what to return when I had an error. Before learning about pointer's Since then, I've seen countless times when folks in the early part of their learning of Go return non-zero values in error cases, like: func f() ([]Data, error)
if err != nil {
return []Data{}, err // wrong! `return nil, err` is the zero-est possible return.
}
// ...
} This is unlikely to cause a major bug, but there is also a non-zero chance it could. However, I do find this to be convincing evidence of the fact that learning what the "zero-est" possible value of some type in Go is non-trivial, and can slow down new learners. On the preference of |
Another argument I'd like to add in favor of this proposal is that I've seen far too many Go codes preferring to return pointers to structs instead of structs themselves, only because it was easier to return errors with |
Just came upon another usecase for this proposal. consider generic functions or methods that return a type parameter and an error: func Foo[T any]() (T, error) {
if err := bar(); err != nil {
// return the error, I don't care about the rest
}
return NewT(), nil
} currently the available options are either return *new(T), err or var empty T
return empty, err or using naked returns which is the same as the latter option. With this proposal, it can be done like any other function return: return _, err |
Update: the current proposal is to permit
return ..., v
to return the zero value for all but the last result, and to returnv
as the last result. The most common use will bereturn ..., err
.A variant under discussion include
return ..., v1, v2
to return zeroes for all but the last N.Another variant is to permit
return ...
to return zeroes for all.In general
...
is only permitted if it omits one or more values--func F() err { return ..., errors.New("") }
is not permitted.Proposal
In return statements, allow
...
to signify, roughly, "and everything else is the zero value". It can replace one or more zero values.This is best described by example:
Given the function signature
func() (int, string, *T, Struct, error)
:return 0, "", nil, Struct{}, nil
may be writtenreturn ...
return 0, "", nil, Struct{}, err
may be writtenreturn ..., err
return 0, "", nil, Struct{X: Y}, nil
may be writtenreturn ..., Struct{X: Y}, nil
return 1, "", nil, Struct{}, nil
may be writtenreturn 1, ...
return 1, "a", nil, Struct{}, nil
may be writtenreturn 1, "a", ...
return 1, "", nil, Struct{}, err
may be writtenreturn 1, ..., err
return 1, "a", nil, Struct{X: Y}, err
may be writtenreturn 1, "a", ..., Struct{X: Y}, err
The following is invalid:
return ..., Struct{X: Y}, ...
— there can be at most one...
in a return statementRationale
It is common for a function with multiple return values to return only one non-zero result when returning early due to errors.
This creates several annoyances of varying degrees.
When writing the code one or more zero values must be manually specified. This is at best a minor annoyance and not worth a language change.
Editing the code after changing the type of, removing one of, or adding another return value is quite annoying but the compiler is fast enough and helpful enough to largely mitigate this.
For both of the above external tooling can help: https://github.com/sqs/goreturns
However, the unsolved problem and motivation for the proposal is that it is quite annoying to read code like this. When reading
return 0, "", nil, Struct{}, err
unnecessary time is spent pattern matching the majority of the return values with the various zero value forms. The only signal,err
, is pushed off to the side. The same intent is coded more explicitly and more directly withreturn ..., err
. Additionally, the previous two minor annoyances go away with this more explicit form.History
This is a generalized version of a suggestion made by @nigeltao in #19642 (comment) where #19642 was a proposal to allow a single token,
_
, to be sugar for the zero value of any type.I revived the notion in #21161 (comment) where #21161 is the currently latest proposal to simplify the
if err != nil { return err }
boilerplate.Discussion
This can be handled entirely with the naked return, but that has greater readability issues, can lead too easily to returning the wrong or partially constructed values, and is generally (and correctly) frowned upon in all but the simplest of cases.
Having a universal zero value, like
_
reduces the need to recognize individual entries as a zero value greatly improving the readability, but is still somewhat noisy as it must encode n zero values in the common case ofreturn _, _, _, _, err
. It is a more general proposal but, outside of returns, the use cases for a universal zero value largely only help with the case of a non-pointer struct literal. I believe the correct way to deal that is to increase the contexts in which the type of a struct literal may be elided as described in #12854In #19642 (comment) @rogpeppe suggested the following workaround:
This has the benefit of introducing nothing new to the language. It reduces the annoyances caused by writing and editing the return values by creating a single place to write/edit the return values. It helps a lot with the reading but still has some boilerplate to read and take in. However, this pattern could be sufficient.
This proposal would complicate the grammar for the return statement and hence the go/ast package so it is not backwards compatible in the strict Go 1 sense, but as the construction is currently illegal and undefined it is compatible in the the Go 2 sense.
Possible restrictions
Only allow a single value other than
...
.Only allow it on the left (
return ..., err
).Do not allow it in the middle (
return 1, ..., err
).While these restrictions are likely how it would be used in practice anyway, I don't see a need for the limitations. If it proves troublesome in practice it could be flagged by a linter.
Possible generalizations
Allow it to replace zero or more values making the below legal:
This would allow easier writing and editing but hurt the readability by implying that there were other possible returns. It would also make this non-sequitur legal:
func noop() { return ... }
. It does not seem worth it.Allow
...
in assignments. This would allow resetting of many variables to zero at once likea, b, c = ...
(but notvar a, b, c = ...
ora, b, c := ...
as their is no type to deduce) . In this case I believe the explicitness of the zero values is more a boon than an impediment. This is also far less common in actual code than a return returning multiple zero values.The text was updated successfully, but these errors were encountered: