Where to find mined uncle block reward?

[MoneroOcean]

Some Masari blocks that we mine do not have any including reward transactions in the wallet. I assume it is because they are uncle. However it is just assumption and I can not be sure from block dump. How I can be sure we actually mined this block?

For example for block a0d497c8b882541e98bfa281735aba46f0e0df1b310381b8677f1bf6e44440c that our pool found (I think since pool node reported this hash) I see that there are two miner_tx outputs (while block is "uncle_status: false"):

curl -X POST http://127.0.0.1:38081/json_rpc -d '{"jsonrpc":"2.0","id":"0","method":"getblock","params":{"hash":"a0d497c8b882541e98bfa281735aba46f0e0df1b310381b8677f1bf6e44440c"}}' -H 'Content-Type: application/json'
{
  "id": "0",
  "jsonrpc": "2.0",
  "result": {
    "blob": "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",
    "block_header": {
      "block_size": 3338,
      "depth": 20514,
      "difficulty": 378607792,
      "hash": "a0d497c8b882541e98bfa281735aba46f0e0d8f1b310381b8677f1bf6e44440c",
      "height": 441506,
      "major_version": 8,
      "minor_version": 8,
      "nonce": 530580265,
      "num_txes": 1,
      "orphan_status": false,
      "prev_hash": "b635305740fde980885826d23ed135162b9a8135069268a32a5b7b91cfa1d3e1",
      "reward": 12663062736730,
      "timestamp": 1553271190,
      "uncle_status": false,
      "weight": 746940157
    },
    "json": "{\n  \"major_version\": 8, \n  \"minor_version\": 8, \n  \"timestamp\": 1553271190, \n  \"prev_id\": \"b635305740fde980885826d23ed135162b9a8135069268a32a5b7b91cfa1d3e1\", \n  \"nonce\": 530580265, \n  \"miner_tx\": {\n    \"version\": 1, \n    \"unlock_time\": 441566, \n    \"vin\": [ {\n        \"gen\": {\n          \"height\": 441506\n        }\n      }\n    ], \n    \"vout\": [ {\n        \"amount\": 4084015773139, \n        \"target\": {\n          \"key\": \"f81945f4159fcf1b70cf052a13e2a89d4150ca0a1b4342a3beeab4c580cacee6\"\n        }\n      }, {\n        \"amount\": 8579046963591, \n        \"target\": {\n          \"key\": \"67112414d304c2ec8209637f25f1226117a44bc064816148fb853793acbaae07\"\n        }\n      }\n    ], \n    \"extra\": [ 1, 60, 187, 244, 67, 176, 169, 125, 64, 89, 18, 98, 179, 13, 121, 5, 10, 139, 204, 149, 131, 152, 193, 183, 45, 112, 246, 179, 207, 95, 111, 96, 254, 1, 68, 0, 0, 0, 13, 139, 48, 4, 0, 48, 205, 60, 164, 139, 242, 4, 75, 9, 49, 29, 140, 201, 135, 244, 143, 244, 19, 231, 238, 111, 149, 61, 2, 17, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0\n    ], \n    \"rct_signatures\": {\n      \"type\": 0\n    }\n  }, \n  \"tx_hashes\": [ \"221cca1725211577cfb3a37a9b2c21176357406ac7cfeb5afcab332d2c35dd42\"\n  ], \n  \"uncle\": \"38e1727db5a9f2eb8cd26f840e6698be53898ec9f23aefe75be3589622f89969\"\n}",
    "miner_tx_hash": "6894eed067a79d11b9292340a237193bb81c94e78639d04531e3c4116c8fed99",
    "status": "OK",
    "tx_hashes": ["221cca1725211577cfb3a37a9b2c21176357406ac7cfeb5afcab332d2c35dd42"],
    "untrusted": false
  }
}

However nothing comes into mining wallet at height 441506:

[wallet 5hnMXU]: show_transfers 441400 441600
  441455     in       2019-03-22       8.175943847866 0e6ca7de876f419ad1e45ab3a1ea752cc9430e426457f00858c34c9576cff72d 0000000000000000 0 -
  441458    out       2019-03-22       7.975943847866 1640aa217e9c664c8dd65768647196327c626d58bce2c7728f79af4b1a8a4ef1 0000000000000000 0.000980220000  0 -
  441503     in       2019-03-22       8.168054915248 9415c77148851bd4d7bccc424b3030a4eae624f0fa2d38ebd35c34ad114c47bc 0000000000000000 0 -
  441505     in       2019-03-22       8.168039335927 cb5c7ad53bdb78798906d624da81a1319f807d4926c4e5f264eca6697b8244c3 0000000000000000 0 -
  441507    out       2019-03-22       7.968054915248 765a3075483ded6bffc6a66949d8b02818ae229480bed4471116942a05d43ab4 0000000000000000 0.000980190000  0 -
  441509    out       2019-03-22       7.968039335927 e6efff112059694177dd1a5ae4bfd9143df7653190eae4faec92f83f48775a70 0000000000000000 0.000980190000  0 -
  441554     in       2019-03-22       8.167657651846 099fce45b24a27f07ca87c565912064a1f71839f693b9c2a558a1bc633139467 0000000000000000 0 -
  441556    out       2019-03-22       7.967657651846 d10376085b74b6a87ba087cdd3c257ead07b912a72e3d9d24897c036ef5e5172 0000000000000000 0.000980130000  0 -

Moreover I do not see any incoming transfers in wallet that are less than 8 MSR (that correspond to reduced uncle block rewards), but I have some extra money somehow in it.

[thaerkh]

Hi there,

I don't see any uncles mined in 441507 which indicate to me that either somebody didn't mine your orphan block or the uncle wasn't valid enough (i.e. within T/2 of the accepted height block). This would indicate that your orphan block wasn't accepted into the network as an uncle.

Hope that helps!

[MoneroOcean]

Have other related questions here as well:

1. what is typical uncle block reward? Is it half of the normal block reward?
2. Can I expect to see uncle block rewards as incoming transfers (show_transfers) in my wallet CLI?

Thank you!

[MoneroOcean]

Also this situation happens regularly: nodes are able to report block hashes as found, but there are no incoming transactions in wallet:

4|remoteShare  | 2019-06-06 22:33:27:936 +00:00: 38081: block hash: 5a3468f6f2a21aa4f2e9c4a97c0a145c20da7a45da0ca0c0c8832eaddcec3e25: txid dcf62c1ffaaa599c71a6c090e1c4fe0dfe4c7c082bffa20a8fe5a24d8243a0cb: {"error":{"code":-8,"message":"Transaction not found."},"id":"0","jsonrpc":"2.0"}
4|remoteShare  | 2019-06-06 22:33:33:693 +00:00: 38081: block hash: 101a8888727dcf6804f10ee73ad22f2616a9683c18c0c985be543e4f462e2184: txid f0cc3749c5b67f3ad590610071fc337e339a473363aa79e11dbcda8fadc8c9e5: {"error":{"code":-8,"message":"Transaction not found."},"id":"0","jsonrpc":"2.0"}
4|remoteShare  | 2019-06-06 22:33:36:594 +00:00: 38081: block hash: 303940578ec0b7bf5a0d6e4ca1ecef8556d3c0e611bdcd85c1031839287ff885: txid 7e4fe5d99964f366cbc1ceabd62136d649e2f94b335220be2512c87724fc54c3: {"error":{"code":-8,"message":"Transaction not found."},"id":"0","jsonrpc":"2.0"}
4|remoteShare  | 2019-06-06 22:33:39:495 +00:00: 38081: block hash: 16f33f761115ca1ea5e818c4bcfb01a11d3c2323ed7c39b7295a1c2a66bd8f2c: txid f3cc8d8f5b621fd2431bcc08852a05237d41082ab52363e6e14b9723e38342f1: {"error":{"code":-8,"message":"Transaction not found."},"id":"0","jsonrpc":"2.0"}
4|remoteShare  | 2019-06-06 22:33:42:387 +00:00: 38081: block hash: 9c40f7b5af5b382189db0f590f312dab56f53af9815b2757683ddd23d6606ab6: txid e23248942bc689a6e290e2fe56accd215e7ff2afc14ccd95d661bd6729e1472d: {"error":{"code":-8,"message":"Transaction not found."},"id":"0","jsonrpc":"2.0"}

Since all of these block hashes can be identified by external Masari block explorers I believe it is our pool blocks, so why there is no corresponding incoming block reward remains unclear.

[cryptochangements34]

What pool software are you using?

[MoneroOcean]

This one: https://github.com/MoneroOcean/nodejs-pool

[cryptochangements34]

To answer your previous questions

1. The reward for mining an uncle block (a would-be-orphan) is 50% of the block base reward. The reward for mining a nephew block (the block that references an uncle block) is 105% of the base reward
2. yes you should see them there

Have you tried checking if you own the outputs in the block here: https://msrchain.net/search?value=6894eed067a79d11b9292340a237193bb81c94e78639d04531e3c4116c8fed99