Spectator can't hear players

[dedmen]

When in spectator mode you can't hear other players near you.
Questions:
How to detect Spectator mode? :x if anyone knows tell me.

[LISTINGS09]

Check if "tf_forceSpectator" variable is true for the player?

https://github.com/michail-nikolaev/task-force-arma-3-radio/blob/7c2fc03dcf659c54f0b12a1c4fc98b054b40f4bc/arma3/%40task_force_radio/addons/task_force_radio/functions/fn_forceSpectator.sqf

[Arcanum417]

How is this supposed to work ? I have been experimenting with it and I have set and unset the variable from spectator units and no change, cannot hear players and they cannot hear me.

[dedmen]

Uhm... That is what this issue is about... it doesn't work. using the TFAR forceSpectator function just makes you deaf and mute.

[nomisum]

For Spectator Cams it would be insanely great to be able to hear/speak to other spectators (non directional) but also hear direct speech on your cameras position (directional).

For sure would be the most anticipated feature for my group.

[dedmen]

How do i detect if a player is currently in spectator mode? Is there a script command that returns if player is currently in spectator mode? Thats what's holding me off currently. I don't know how to detect that.

[nomisum]

Currently ACE3 (as one provider of spec cams) calls TFAR/ACRE by itself in its function :
https://github.com/acemod/ACE3/blob/master/addons/spectator/functions/fnc_setSpectator.sqf

If you provide an alternative to "ForceSpectator" they could provide a param to call it.

But I fear there is no eventhandler for spectating in general. Afaik its all some kind of camera.

I'm also not sure about
["ace_spectatorSet", [_set]] call CBA_fnc_localEvent; and
["ace_spectatorStaged", [_set]] call CBA_fnc_localEvent;

Could this be an event to listen for?

Edit: Maybe @silentSpike can help out here.

[dedmen]

Hm... Okey if ACE is calling TFAR API for that.. That makes things easier.. So just rewrite the Spectator system. On my ToDo for the next days now.

[LISTINGS09]

All the spectator scripts I've seen all reference the same function I linked at the start.

If that function has been called, assume the player is currently meant to be in spectator mode otherwise you'll have to check any number of different things for the various spectator scripts in use (ACE/BIS/F3/CSSA3).

[theYoursTruly]

How to detect Spectator mode? :x if anyone knows tell me.

You can't. It should be the other way around - TFAR provides function/variable that spectator scripts need to run when they start/finish.

[dedmen]

Can somebody create me a mission with ACE spectator? I'm not a missionbuilder. I have no clue how to do that ^^

[kymckay]

I would but am busy studying at the moment, the simple version though:

• Create new mission
• Set respawn mode to base (the one that uses map markers)
• Activate the ace_spectator respawn template (you can do this through editor mission/MP settings)
• Set respawn delay to something significant

With this setup, ace spectator is entered upon death and exited on respawn. Hence, the respawn delay is the length of time spent in spectator after death (set to 10e10 for effectively infinite).

[dedmen]

Thanks. Works as expected and i learned something new ^^.
As a heads-up TFAR Spectator will be rewritten. Spectators can hear players just like in Zeus Camera. Config option so that Spectators can only hear friendly units. So dead people can't forward intel.. Although they technically can see the enemy moving.. but eh..
Spectators can hear other Spectators without 3D positioning. As if they were in Teamspeak without TFAR.
No players on the field can hear Spectators at any time.
Thinking about giving Spectators Listen only Radios... But... Probably not gonna happen.

[Arcanum417]

@dedmen Sounds great, the listen only radios would be so awesome, maybe just disable the bind or something ?

[dedmen]

Problem is giving the Radios. The Spectator doesn't have an inventory to add them to (i think). And if he has an inventory it may be the one of his dead body laying around. We can't use that either to place radios in it.. But.... If his dead body still has radios in its inventory.. We might already have Spectator Radios.. Have to check that.

And i think for it to be complete the spectator should be able to hear also enemy Radios. Which he normally couldn't because of the encryptionCode... Adding 3 Radio types to him would be ugly.. but then.. The Zeus solution already does exactly that..

[Arcanum417]

@dedmen I expect Spectator to be zeus as far as TFAR is concerned. (Zeus with muted mike that is) It sounds like the framework is there for zeus, just use it and shape and work out quirks.

[dedmen]

In the backend its very different... Zeus is a flying head.. Spectator is a flying Camera without a body. The without a body is the problem maker here

[Arcanum417]

@dedmen Well disregard me and my assumptions that something in ArmA was simple...

[nomisum]

I love this is being worked on!

One more idea / suggestion / further improvement: Ability to attach the "3D positional ears" to an object / player, so you basically can zoom out and still hear stuff from the interesting players (like commanders) you have chosen before. A script command would be sufficient, no need to implement something fancy.

Edit: In ACE there are 2 different spectator modes, virtually and physically.

The physically spectator player is moved to [0,0,0] and most probably still has an inventory.

Reference:
http://ace3mod.com/wiki/feature/spectator.html

[dedmen]

My test was weird... I tried different ways to get the cameras position.. Most of them gave me player position.. one gave me close to [0,0,0] and the last got me the correct position. It was spectator after death so it should still be attached to my dead body i think,
That is already existent... You can set the function that returns the cameraPosition with a simple setVariable [varname, {return your position and viewdirection here}]
don't know the correct varname right now.
Thanks for the spectator reference. I think i did all necessary code changes already. Will be testing everything tomorrow.

[dedmen]

Done with 4f06abf.
Not able to use Radio inside spectator.. Maybe someday... #1176

[DaPlys]

Sorry to tear up an old subject, but you wrote: "Spectators can hear players just like in Zeus Camera."
How so? Because neither spectators or me as Zeus, can hear the players around the camera. I am not too good with code, so i havent found anything anywhere.. And i havent found any sort of setting box that can change this. I havent changed the settings in my TS or TFAR.
We only have one guy who can hear others while in Zeus. However, even if he is not in zeus, he can hear the spectators if they are around him. But that shouldnt be an option? And its not because TFAR isnt working.
Mind you, the Zeus i am talking about, is the one where you have an ordinary character, and then the Zeus is admin logged. Not the dedicated Zeus. In the dedicated Zeus, i can hear other people as well. But not with the admin logged from a character. And neither can i hear from a spectator.

Again, sorry to rip this up, but i havent found anything about this anywhere on the net, or this forum..

[dedmen]

@DaPlys Check the Milestone of this issue. It's 1.0.
You shouldn't expect to experience any of this in 0.9.x