Node.js Foundation Technical Steering Committee (TSC) Meeting 2017-12-06

[mhdawson]

Time

UTC Wed 06-Dec-2017 22:00 (10:00 PM):

Timezone	Date/Time
US / Pacific	Wed 06-Dec-2017 14:00 (02:00 PM)
US / Mountain	Wed 06-Dec-2017 15:00 (03:00 PM)
US / Central	Wed 06-Dec-2017 16:00 (04:00 PM)
US / Eastern	Wed 06-Dec-2017 17:00 (05:00 PM)
Amsterdam	Wed 06-Dec-2017 23:00 (11:00 PM)
Moscow	Thu 07-Dec-2017 01:00 (01:00 AM)
Chennai	Thu 07-Dec-2017 03:30 (03:30 AM)
Hangzhou	Thu 07-Dec-2017 06:00 (06:00 AM)
Tokyo	Thu 07-Dec-2017 07:00 (07:00 AM)
Sydney	Thu 07-Dec-2017 09:00 (09:00 AM)

Or in your local time:

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• or http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=10pm+UTC%2C+Dec+06%2C+2017+in+local+time

Links

• Minutes Google Doc: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1N029ttRxw92pv1k0Xc0-abkwbHMRW7Ts6r4nFeJbF4M/edit

Agenda

Extracted from TSC-agenda labelled issues and pull requests from the nodejs org prior to the meeting.

nodejs/node

• Enable explicit .m.js intent for ESM #16170
• buffer: runtime-deprecate Buffer(num) by default #15608
• events: add off alias to removeListener #17156
• Add remark dependencies #17320

nodejs/build

• note that release config is removed after 6m #997

nodejs/TSC

• Enterprise Advisory Group #431
• Strategic Initiatives - Tracking Issue #423
• V8 gyp scaffolding responsibility handoff #411

Invited

• Anna Henningsen @addaleax (TSC)
• Сковорода Никита Андреевич @ChALkeR (TSC)
• Colin Ihrig @cjihrig (TSC)
• Evan Lucas @evanlucas (TSC)
• Franziska Hinkelmann @fhinkel (TSC)
• Jeremiah Senkpiel @Fishrock123 (TSC)
• Josh Gavant @joshgav (TSC)
• Fedor Indutny @indutny (TSC)
• James M Snell @jasnell (TSC)
• Joyee Cheung @joyeecheung (TSC)
• Matteo Collina @mcollina (TSC)
• Michael Dawson @mhdawson (TSC)
• Brian White @mscdex (TSC)
• Myles Borins @MylesBorins (TSC)
• Ali Ijaz Sheikh @ofrobots (TSC)
• Rod Vagg @rvagg (TSC)
• Michaël Zasso @targos (TSC)
• Sakthipriyan Vairamani @thefourtheye (TSC)
• Trevor Norris @trevnorris (TSC)
• Rich Trott @Trott (TSC)

Observers

• Daniel Bevenius @danbev
• William Kapke @williamkapke

Notes

The agenda comes from issues labelled with TSC-agenda across all of the repositories in the nodejs org. Please label any additional issues that should be on the agenda before the meeting starts.

Joining the meeting

Uberconference; participants should have the link & numbers, contact me if you don't.

Public participation

We stream our conference call straight to YouTube so anyone can listen to it live, it should start playing at https://www.youtube.com/c/nodejs+foundation/live when we turn it on. There's usually a short cat-herding time at the start of the meeting and then occasionally we have some quick private business to attend to before we can start recording & streaming. So be patient and it should show up.

Many of us will be on IRC in #node-dev on Freenode if you'd like to interact, we have a Q/A session scheduled at the end of the meeting if you'd like us to discuss anything in particular. @nodejs/collaborators in particular if there's anything you need from the TSC that's not worth putting on as a separate agenda item, this is a good place for that

[Trott]

Adding @williamkapke and @danbev as observers.

[Trott]

• Enable explicit .m.js intent for ESM #16170

The thing to do on that one is publish that doc that @MylesBorins has been shepherding.

• buffer: runtime-deprecate Buffer(num) by default #15608

This can be removed if there is consensus about what @addaleax and @ChALkeR wrote that it does not seem to make sense to deprecate Buffer(number) separately from Bufer(string). In other words, if and when Buffer constructor is runtime deprecated, both of those forms will be runtime deprecated at the same time.

• Strategic Initiatives - Tracking Issue #423

Should a litmus test for strategic initiatives be something that will someday not be strategic anymore? LIke, I imagine at some point we won't need weekly updates on http2 anymore. So that makes sense to me to have it on there. In contrast, I'm not typically going to have much to say about onboarding other than "so-and-so got onboarded, and here's who's next" which doesn't seem very strategic. I think I and others may have conflated "strategic" with "important" when making that list. Maybe everything important doesn't need to be on that list.

[Trott]

• Strategic Initiatives - Tracking Issue #423

Should a litmus test for strategic initiatives be something that will someday not be strategic anymore? LIke, I imagine at some point we won't need weekly updates on http2 anymore. So that makes sense to me to have it on there. In contrast, I'm not typically going to have much to say about onboarding other than "so-and-so got onboarded, and here's who's next" which doesn't seem very strategic. I think I and others may have conflated "strategic" with "important" when making that list. Maybe everything important doesn't need to be on that list.

I'll move this conversation to that issue.

[Trott]

I removed tsc-review from 5 issues. You're welcome. There are still 11 issues labeld tsc-review. 😱 @nodejs/tsc, please review! https://github.com/search?o=desc&q=org%3Anodejs+label%3Atsc-review&s=&type=Issues&utf8=%E2%9C%93

I'll call special attention to three of them:

• This ES Modules one seems like it's something that ought to get a resolution: Regression: Resolution algorithm collision node#14990

• This Buffer,isEncoding() one is quite old and seems to be something that should be resolvable. Buffer.isEncoding regards an empty string as a valid encoding node#9654

• Joyee tagged this one 12 days ago but only one other TSC member has dropped by to comment. errors: should we raise assersions for type checks in process.bindings? node#17244

[MylesBorins]

Can we please add nodejs/node#17320 to the agenda

[MylesBorins]

@mcollina are you back for this meeting? If so we should add nodejs/node#17156 to the agenda

[mcollina]

I will be joining this meeting!

[Trott]

Can we please add nodejs/node#17320 to the agenda

...we should add nodejs/node#17156 to the agenda

@MylesBorins and anyone else on the TSC: I think it's safe to assume that @mhdawson would be happy for you or any other TSC member to add stuff to the agenda yourself with the following easy three-steps:

• Add it to the description of this issue.
• Add it to the Google doc.
• Leave a comment so that people know it's been added.

I don't think you need to ask Michael or anyone else to do it and, in fact, I suspect he'd prefer you save him the trouble that way.

(And if I'm wrong, then @mhdawson should correct me so that I stop doing that, because that's how I handle it. :-D )

[rvagg]

I'll be there for the meeting but want to register that I'm currently travelling, this week and last, and am less engaged than my current norm (which is admittedly not highly engaged outside of Build), so have missed a few discussions I was roped in to and haven't had time to look over the tsc-review items. Apologies!

[MylesBorins]

I've added #411 to the agenda "V8 gyp scaffolding responsibility handoff"

Have a quick update on this

[mhdawson]

@Trott thanks for your comment. I'm happy to have people to add to agenda as outlined (actually very happy)

[mhdawson]

Updated links for "in your local time" seems like they have been being generated incorrectly since we started rotating times.

[targos]

My apologies, I will have to miss this one. I'm not feeling good and it's late.

[evanlucas]

Apologies, I won't be able to make it today. I'll look through the marked issues this afternoon though.

[rvagg]

FYI I've found a setting in Uberconference to not record calls automatically so I've flipped that. Since nobody else has access to recordings and I haven't even looked at them since back when we published them to Soundcloud (!) I'm guessing that it'd be preferable to not record, particularly for the private business parts. Since we are broadcasting to YouTube we have recordings of public portions.

[Trott]

@nodejs/tsc Please find the spot in the Google Doc to add your strategic initiatives update, and add an update there for any strategic initiatives for which you are the champion. Thanks!

[mhdawson]

@nodejs/tsc to add on to @Trott comment. This is an ongoing ask. We'd like an update to be added each week before the meeting, even if you can't make the meeting itself.

[mhdawson]

PR for minutes: #434