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# Node Foundation CTC Meeting 2016-07-13 | ||
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## Links | ||
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* **Audio Recording**: TBP | ||
* **GitHub Issue**: https://github.com/nodejs/node/issues/7707 | ||
* [Minutes Google Doc](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1fP9_ZNcPoFh2VWCgUFu9-rDiDcMP88vhCC_oX6Aj528) | ||
* _[Previous Minutes Google Doc](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1NWIKwYxDTApvc9Xbq5JTMorRPKIBuBKAA0zcjm8K_II)_ | ||
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## Present | ||
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* Anna Henningsen @addaleax (observer) | ||
* Bradley Meck @bmeck (observer/GoDaddy/TC39) | ||
* Ben Noordhuis @bnoordhuis (CTC) | ||
* Colin Ihrig @cjihrig (CTC) | ||
* Evan Lucas @evanlucas (CTC) | ||
* Jeremiah Senkpiel @Fishrock123 (CTC) | ||
* Fedor Indutny @indutny (CTC) | ||
* Josh Gavant @joshgav (observer/Microsoft) | ||
* Michael Dawson @mhdawson (CTC) | ||
* Brian White @mscdex (CTC) | ||
* Ali Ijaz Sheikh @ofrobots (CTC) | ||
* Alexis Campailla @orangemocha (CTC) | ||
* Rod Vagg @rvagg (CTC) | ||
* Stephen Loomis @srl295 (observer/ICU) | ||
* Myles Borins @TheAlphaNerd (observer) | ||
* Trevor Norris @trevnorris (CTC) | ||
* Rich Trott @Trott (CTC) | ||
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## Standup | ||
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* Anna Henningsen @addaleax (observer) | ||
* PRs & issues | ||
* Some v4.x backports | ||
* Bradley Meck @bmeck (observer/GoDaddy/TC39) | ||
* Bad news from V8/Chakra. Can’t do property hoisting for Babel like CJS interop. | ||
* Figuring out hooks for creating Modules in older Node versions | ||
* Ben Noordhuis @bnoordhuis (CTC) | ||
* Back-porting patches | ||
* Moving stuff over from malloc() to new[] because of AIX | ||
* ABI compatibility tool | ||
* PRs & issues, of course - how could I forget? | ||
* Colin Ihrig @cjihrig (CTC) | ||
* Reviewed issues and PRs | ||
* Opened a few PRs | ||
* Evan Lucas @evanlucas (CTC) | ||
* Simple doc fix | ||
* Working on cherry-picking into v6.x | ||
* Jeremiah Senkpiel @Fishrock123 (CTC) | ||
* Fixed a TTY test that was silently failing for over a year | ||
* misc PR & issue work | ||
* Fedor Indutny @indutny (CTC) | ||
* Various GYP-related tooling | ||
* Code reviews, and fixing issues | ||
* Josh Gavant @joshgav (observer/Microsoft) | ||
* Diagnostics WG meeting | ||
* debugging docs | ||
* Michael Dawson @mhdawson (CTC) | ||
* Added LinuxOne to v8 tests in CI | ||
* Involvement on some AIX issues | ||
* Working on ABI stable API, API WG meeting this week | ||
* Re-scheduled post-mortem WG meeting for next week, LTS and diagnostic WG meetings | ||
* misc reviews/lands and keeping up on issues | ||
* Brian White @mscdex (CTC) | ||
* Worked on PR to check for accidental git conflict markers when linting in CI | ||
* Backported some commits to v4.x | ||
* Reviewed PRs and commented on issues | ||
* Ali Ijaz Sheikh @ofrobots (CTC) | ||
* Back from vacation, buried in email (sorry for late responses!) | ||
* Alexis Campailla @orangemocha (CTC) | ||
* Investigating ABI incompatibilities. Preparing to drop VS 2013. | ||
* Reviewed miscellaneous Windows issues. | ||
* Resumed work on a PR for case normalization of the module cache on Windows | ||
* Rod Vagg @rvagg (CTC) | ||
* LTS README rework | ||
* Steven Loomis @srl295 (observer/ICU) | ||
* not much here, just trying to keep an eye on issues/PRs | ||
* Myles Borins @TheAlphaNerd (observer) | ||
* Working on v4.5.0 release https://github.com/nodejs/node/pull/7688 | ||
* CITGM Enhancements (XML + Queue) | ||
* Working with V8 team to improve workflow for managing floated commits https://github.com/nodejs/LTS/issues/111 | ||
* Trevor Norris @trevnorris (CTC) | ||
* Working fix for one of the realpath bugs | ||
* Backporting for v4.x | ||
* Working on AsyncWrap implementation details | ||
* Rich Trott @Trott (CTC) | ||
* Trying to handle flaky test outbreak on FreeBSD in CI | ||
* Various ESLint updates/improvements | ||
* Banging my head against test-tick-processor flakiness which is easily the longest-standing flaky test. | ||
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## Agenda | ||
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Extracted from **ctc-agenda** labelled issues and pull requests from the **nodejs org** prior to the meeting. | ||
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### nodejs/node | ||
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* build: drop support for VS 2013 in v7 [#7484](https://github.com/nodejs/node/pull/7484) | ||
* Node 6 fs.realpath behavior changes [#7175](https://github.com/nodejs/node/pull/7175) | ||
* http: don't inherit from Object.prototype [#6102](https://github.com/nodejs/node/pull/6102) | ||
* v4.5.0 proposal [#7688](https://github.com/nodejs/node/pull/7688) | ||
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### nodejs/node-eps | ||
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* proposal: WHATWG URL standard implementation [#28](https://github.com/nodejs/node-eps/pull/28) | ||
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## Previous Meeting | ||
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### build: drop support for VS 2013 in v7 [#7484](https://github.com/nodejs/node/issues/7484) (@jasnell) | ||
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To be discussed again. | ||
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### Node 6 fs.realpath behavior changes [#7175](https://github.com/nodejs/node/issues/7175) | ||
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@trevnorris was to complete changes, to be discussed again. | ||
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### Replace section 5.1 with unambiguous JavaScript grammar. [#33](https://github.com/nodejs/node-eps/pull/33) | ||
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@jdalton’s proposal was merged. | ||
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### AsyncWrap public API proposal [#18](https://github.com/nodejs/node-eps/pull/18) | ||
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API was accepted, implementation TBD before October. | ||
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## Minutes | ||
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### build: drop support for VS 2013 in v7 [#7484](https://github.com/nodejs/node/issues/7484) | ||
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@orangemocha: Decision to drop in v7 isn’t controversial. Will need to add tests for modules compiled with 2013 used with Node compiled with 2015. | ||
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@orangemocha: Main question is switching in v6 before LTS. Is it a breaking change? | ||
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Issue with node-sass module only comes up on Windows XP so can be discounted. | ||
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No way to be sure if user modules compiled with 2013 might be incompatible with Node compiled with 2015. Have to run tests. Will CITGM provide sufficient testing? | ||
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@myles: may not be enough native modules in CITGM to provide confidence. | ||
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@Fishrock123: be sure to also test on pre-gyp’ed modules. | ||
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@orangemocha: we may never have complete confidence that this isn’t a breaking change, but node-sass is the only issue ever reported. | ||
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@orangemocha: Should we support modules built with 2013 in v7? | ||
@rvagg: need to include that in tests. | ||
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**Next steps**: Run tests with modules compiled with 2013 to see if there are issues. Keep on agenda for next week and check on progress. | ||
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### Node 6 fs.realpath behavior changes [#7175](https://github.com/nodejs/node/pull/7175) | ||
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* ELOOP fix: https://github.com/nodejs/node/pull/7548 | ||
* Windows PR: https://github.com/nodejs/node/pull/7559 (see also https://github.com/nodejs/node/issues/7192) | ||
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ELOOP issue has been resolved. Windows problem being addressed in another PR. May have to use JS impl for Windows. | ||
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@rvagg: If libuv can’t handle the realpath issue for Windows what should we do? | ||
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@orangemocha: We’re using the JS impl for Windows. | ||
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@trevnorris: we can use the libuv impl and defer to the JS impl if the libuv impl throws unexpectedly. | ||
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@rvagg: should we just revert? How common is the case where this provides a speed-up? | ||
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@trevnorris: keep both libuv and js impl for now. | ||
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**Next steps**: All please review #7548 and #7559. | ||
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### http: don't inherit from Object.prototype [#6102](https://github.com/nodejs/node/pull/6102) | ||
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@mscdex: Prevent clash of header names with properties inherited from Object (e.g., __proto__). An object with a null prototype is already being used for the same purpose in `querystring.parse` since v6 release. | ||
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@mscdex: Some have suggested cherry-picking some methods from Object such as `toString`: | ||
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* So that object can be inspected. | ||
* To ensure backward compatibility. | ||
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@mscdex: An eventual goal may be to store headers in an ES6 Map instead of on a plain object, but that will change the API considerably. | ||
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@evanlucas: we should follow what we did with query string parameters. | ||
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@rvagg: first need to review as some opposition to that. | ||
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**Next steps**: All review PR. | ||
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### proposal: WHATWG URL standard implementation [node-eps#28](https://github.com/nodejs/node-eps/pull/28) | ||
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@trevnorris: Some discussion about supporting unregistered schemes (e.g. `chrome://`). We should support them, Chrome supports them. | ||
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@trevnorris: `url.parse` can handle incomplete URLs (e.g. no scheme). | ||
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@rvagg: Most important question is should `URL` be a global? There would be a `url` module and a different `URL` global. | ||
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@fishrock123: there would be a transition period and then functionality would be in `URL` | ||
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@rvagg: new impl is quite different from existing `url` module. Would like to see a diff. Migration will be difficult. | ||
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**Next steps**: Waiting for @jasnell to return. Review again next week. | ||
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### v4.5.0 proposal [#7688](https://github.com/nodejs/node/pull/7688) | ||
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@thealphanerd: | ||
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* Would like to include libuv v1.9.1. | ||
* Would like very extensive testing prior to release to exclude breaking changes. | ||
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How can we best test? | ||
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@rvagg: Promote the RC on social media. | ||
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@thealphanerd: npm could help test, Myles will reach out. | ||
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@rvagg: Heroku? (Hunter Loftis) Travis CI? Probably not because it depends on nvm which doesn’t do RC’s yet. | ||
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@thealphanerd: will talk with @ljharb about nvm support for RCs. | ||
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**Next steps**: @thealphanerd will ping all to test RC. | ||
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### ES Modules update | ||
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@bmeck: named imports from CJS modules (e.g. `import {use, route} from "express"` or `import {readFile, readFileSync} from "fs"`) can’t work. | ||
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Updates to come on the topic via: https://github.com/nodejs/node-eps/issues/26 | ||
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## Q/A on public fora | ||
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## Upcoming Meetings | ||
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* CTC: 2016-07-20 | ||
* TSC: 2016-07-14 | ||
* Diagnostics: 2016-08-03 | ||
* Post-Mortem: 2016-07-18 | ||
* API: 2016-07-14 | ||
* LTS: 2016-07-25 | ||
* Build: 2016-07-19 |