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Depth vs. TC

Newer and older results showing the average depth for games at fishtest conditions

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Elo cost of small Hash

We measure the influence of Hash on the playing strength, using games of SF15.1 at LTC (60+0.6s) and VLTC (240+2.4s) on the UHO book. Hash is varied between 1 and 64 MB and 256MB in powers of two, leading to as average hashfull between 100 and 950 per thousand. The data suggests that keeping hashfull below 30% is best to maintain strength.

Raw data for the above graph
Hash Hashfull Elo Elo-err
01 902 -47.80 8.80
02 825 -29.50 13.10
04 689 -21.50 13.30
08 513 -10.70 11.00
16 336 0.70 12.80
32 199 -3.80 13.00
64 109 0.00 0.00
Hash Hashfull Elo Elo-err
H001 947 -95.20 6.60
H002 943 -67.40 5.70
H004 931 -52.40 6.20
H008 865 -32.30 4.20
H016 766 -21.40 7.30
H032 591 -12.10 6.10
H064 397 -0.80 6.60
H128 239 -1.00 7.50
H256 131 0.00 0.00

Elo cost of using MultiPV

MultiPV provides the N best moves, and their associated principal variation. This is a great tool to understand the options available in a given position. However, this information does not come for free, and the computational cost computing it reducing the quality of the bestmove found relative to a search that only needs to find a single line. To quantify this, a tournament has been played with SF 15.1, for MultiPV 1-5, using LTC (60s+0.6s), as well as the UHO book. The following is the result

MultiPV Elo Elo-err
1 0.0 0.0
2 -97.2 2.1
3 -156.7 2.8
4 -199.3 2.9
5 -234.5 2.8

Elo gain using syzygy

TB6 testing for various versions of SF

Consistent measurement of Elo gain (syzygy 6men vs none) for various SF versions:

TB are in RAM (so fast access), TC is 10+0.1s (STC), book UHO_XXL_+0.90_+1.19.epd. No adjudication. The introduction of NNUE (with SF12) is clearly visible. With SF15, there is just 2.7 Elo gain.

Raw data for the above graph
SF Elo Elo-err
6 14.5 1.4
7 15.6 1.3
8 15.8 1.3
9 16.5 1.5
10 16.2 1.5
11 15.8 1.5
12 7.2 1.4
13 11.1 1.4
14 7.3 1.4
15 2.7 1.4

Testing depending on number of pieces and TC

Tested at 10+0.1, with all syzygy WDL files on tmpfs (i.e. RAM), testing using none(0), 4, 5, and 6 man TB in a round-robin tournament (SF10dev).

Rank Name Elo +/- Games Score Draws
1 syzygy6 13 2 82591 51.8% 59.5%
2 syzygy5 2 2 82590 50.3% 59.4%
3 syzygy4 -7 2 82591 49.0% 59.3%
4 syzygy0 -7 2 82592 48.9% 59.4%

Tested at 60+0.6, with all syzygy WDL files on tmpfs (i.e. RAM), testing using none(0) against 6 man TB:

Score of syzygy6 vs syzygy0: 4084 - 3298 - 18510 [0.515] 25892 Elo difference: 10.55 +/- 2.25

Threading efficiency and Elo gain.

Efficiency

Here we look at the threading efficiency of the lazySMP parallelization scheme. To focus on the algorithm we play games with a given budget of nodes rather than at a given TC. In principle, lazySMP has excellent scaling of the nps with cores, but practical measurement is influenced by e.g. frequency adjustments, SMT/hyperthreading, and sometimes hardware limitation.

Equivalent nodestime

In these tests, matches are played at a fixed nodes budget (using the nodestime feature of SF), and equivalence in strength between the serial player and the threaded player (for x threads in the graph below) is found by adjusting the number of nodes given to the threaded player (e.g. with 16 threads, the threaded player might need 200% of the nodes of the serial player to match the strength of the serial player). This 'equivalent nodestime' is determined for various number of threads and various nodes budgets (60+0.6Mnodes/game is somewhat similar to our usual LTC at 60+0.6s/game, if we assume 1Mnps).

The interesting observation one can make immediately is that this 'equivalent nodestime' grows with the number of threads, but not too steeply, and further more that the 'equivalent nodestime' decreases with increasing nodes budget. The data shows that with 64 threads, the equivalent nodestime is about 200% for a node budget of 240+2.4Mn, i.e. despite such games being much faster than STC (10+0.1s), efficiency is still around 50%.

The curves are sufficiently smooth to be fitted with a model having 1 parameter that is different between the curves (f(x), parameter a, see caption). A smaller value of a means a higher efficiency.

A fit for the a parameter, and extrapolation to long TCs.

The above parameter a from the model, can be fit as a function of nodes budget, this allows for extrapolating the parameter, and to arrive at and estimate for the 'equivalent nodestime' at large TC / nodes budgets:

The fit is again fairly good. Taking a leap of faith, these measurements at up to 240+2.4Mn can be extrapolated to node budgets typical of TCEC or CCC (up to 500Gn). This allows us to predict speedup and/or efficiency.

Speedup Efficiency

These extrapolations suggest that even at thread counts of >300, at TCEC TCs efficiency could be 80% or higher, provided the nps scales with the number of threads.

Elo results (older)

LTC

Playing 8 threads vs 1 thread at LTC (60+0.6, 8moves_v3.pgn):

Score of t8 vs seq: 476 - 3 - 521  [0.737] 1000
Elo difference: 178.6 +/- 14.0, LOS: 100.0 %, DrawRatio: 52.1 %

Playing 1 thread at 8xLTC (480+4.8) vs (60+0.6) (8moves_v3.pgn):

Score of seq8 vs seq: 561 - 5 - 434  [0.778] 1000
Elo difference: 217.9 +/- 15.8, LOS: 100.0 %, DrawRatio: 43.4 %

Which is roughly 82% efficiency (178/218).

STC

Playing 8 threads vs 1 thread at STC (10+0.1):

Score of threads vs serial: 1606 - 15 - 540  [0.868] 2161
Elo difference: 327.36 +/- 14.59

Playing 8 threads @ 10+0.1 vs 1 thread @ 80+0.8:

Score of threads vs time: 348 - 995 - 2104  [0.406] 3447
Elo difference: -66.00 +/- 7.15

So, 1 -> 8 threads has about 83% scaling efficiency (327 / (327 + 66)) using this test.

Elo from speedups

For small speedups (<~5%) the linear estimate can be used that gives Elo gain as a function of speedup percentage (x) as:

Elo_stc(x) = 2.10 x
Elo_ltc(x) = 1.43 x

To have 50% passing chance at STC<-0.5,1.5>, we need a 0.24% speedup, while at LTC<0.25,1.75> we need 0.70% speedup. A 1% speedup has nearly 85% passing chance at LTC.

Raw data:

tc 10+0.1:
16   32.42  3.06
 8   13.67  3.05
 4    8.99  3.04
 2    3.52  3.05

tc 60+0.6:
16   20.85  2.59
 8   12.20  2.57
 4    4.67  2.57

Note: Numbers will depend on the precise hardware. The model was verified quite accurately on fishtest see https://github.com/locutus2/Stockfish/commit/82958c97214b6d418e5bc95e3bf1961060cd6113#commitcomment-38646654

Distribution of lengths of games at LTC (60+0.6) on fishtest

In a collection of a few million games, the longest was 902 plies.

Win-Loss-Draw statistics of LTC games on fishtest

The following graph give information on the Win-Loss-Draw (WLD) statistics, relating them to score and move number. It answers the question 'What fraction of positions that have a given score + (move number) in fishtest LTC, have a Win a Loss or a Draw ?'.

This model is used when Stockfish provides WLD statistics during analysis with the UCI_ShowWDL option set to True.

Elo gain with time odds

See also: https://github.com/official-stockfish/Stockfish/discussions/3402

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One year of NNUE speed improvements

Presents nodes per second (nps) measurements for all SF version between the first NNUE commit (SF_NNUE, Aug 2th 2020) and end of July 2021 on a AMD Ryzen 9 3950X compiled with make -j ARCH=x86-64-avx2 profile-build. The last nps reported for a depth 22 search from startpos using NNUE (best over about 20 measurements) is shown in the graph. For reference, the last classical evaluation (SF_classical, July 30 2020) has 2.30 Mnps.

Round-robin tournament with SF releases, impact of book and time odds

Measured playing games of 5+0.05s, with SF 7 - 15, using the three different books. Each version plays once with the base TC, and once with 20% time odds.

Raw data for the above graph

UHO

SF Elo 20%-odds Elo-err Odds-err
SF7 0.0 38.1 0.0 4.1
SF8 95.8 40.3 4.2 5.9
SF9 142.3 38.8 3.9 5.5
SF10 199.5 38.2 4.0 5.7
SF11 231.2 40.5 4.3 5.7
SF12 405.6 37.5 4.0 5.9
SF13 476.5 28.4 4.2 6.0
SF14 553.4 27.8 4.5 6.3
SF15 627.6 24.5 4.6 6.7

noob

SF Elo 20%-odds Elo-err Odds-err
SF7 0.0 37.8 0.0 3.8
SF8 97.2 39.8 4.3 5.9
SF9 146.8 40.5 3.9 5.9
SF10 211.1 39.3 4.3 6.2
SF11 241.8 43.0 4.4 6.0
SF12 458.4 32.1 4.3 6.2
SF13 536.2 31.9 4.2 6.3
SF14 611.3 29.1 4.5 6.5
SF15 660.9 24.8 4.3 6.2

8moves

SF Elo 20%-odds Elo-err Odds-err
SF7 0.0 33.0 0.0 4.2
SF8 86.7 32.2 4.2 5.8
SF9 126.7 37.3 4.0 5.6
SF10 182.3 33.7 4.3 5.6
SF11 206.5 42.6 4.0 5.4
SF12 380.7 31.6 4.1 5.6
SF13 445.8 25.0 4.0 5.7
SF14 512.4 23.8 4.1 5.9
SF15 554.5 26.4 4.1 5.9

Branching factor of Stockfish

The branching factor (bf) of Stockfish is defined here such that nodes = bf ** rootDepth or equivalently bf = exp(log(nodes)/rootDepth). Here, this has been measured with a single search from the starting position.

The trend is the deeper one searches the lower the branching factor, and newer versions of SF have a lower branching factor. A small difference in branching factor leads to very large differences in number of nodes searched. For example, SF10 needs about 143x more nodes than SF15.1 to reach depth 49.

Contempt measurements

Older SF (around SF10) had contempt that worked rather well. This data shows the dependence of Elo difference between SFdev of October 2018 and older versions of Stockfish depending on contempt value (The SFdev used is approx. 40Elo above SF9). Upper and lower bounds represent value with maximum error.

Opponent STC LTC
7
8
9

Full data with values https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1R_eopD8_ujlBbt_Q0ygZMvuMsP1sc4UyO3Md4qL1z5M/edit#gid=1878521689

Elo change with respect to TC

Here is the result of some scaling tests with the 2moves book. 40000 games each (STC=10+0.1, LTC=60+0.6)

SF7 -> SF8 SF8 -> SF9 SF9 -> SF10
Elo STC 95.91 +-2.3 58.28 +-2.3 71.03 +-2.4
Elo LTC 100.40 +-2.1 68.55 +-2.1 65.55 +-2.2

So we see that the common wisdom that increased TC causes elo compression is not always true.

See https://github.com/official-stockfish/Stockfish/issues/1859#issuecomment-449624976

TC dependence of certain terms in search

Discussed here https://github.com/official-stockfish/Stockfish/pull/2401#issuecomment-552768526

Elo contributions from various evaluation terms

See spreadsheet at: https://github.com/official-stockfish/Stockfish/files/3828738/Stockfish.Feature.s.Estimated.Elo.worth.1.xlsx

Note: The estimated elo worth for various features might be outdated, or might get outdated soon.

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