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Improve ORT's general ways of working #4629
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My immediate gut feeling is that we should not need yet another "working group"; we already have the TSC and the community of developers in the weekly meetings. Instead of creating more organizational overhead, I'd prefer to improve our ways of working in these two existing groups. Additionally, we could have ad-hoc break-out sessions with all people from the community who are interested in driving a particular topic forward. To the individual points:
We do have the
That has been a long-pending point on the developer meeting's agenda, but we never really talked about it enough to conclude something. As discussed in today's developer meeting, IMO we should evaluate GitHub's new project boards to be transparent about our roadmaps.
For the bigger picture, how about linking the slides for all the presentations we did about ORT (and its bigger picture) from a new wiki page?
To me, that process is to put a discussion item onto the agenda for the developer meeting.
Docs definitely could see an improvement, but that's an ongoing process that we should track via issues / PRs like any other work; no need for a new working group here, IMO.
Yes, see #1901. But also here, just creating a new working group will also not give us the time to actually work on the issue. |
@tsteenbe I agree with Sebastian and this is also the reason why I was hesitant to name a Porsche participant for the working group last week. In my opinion the creation of a working group should be considered as a very last option. However, we did not really explore other options such as starting to improve our ways of working (at least since Porsche is part of the ORT community). On the other hand, we should definetely bring in some more structure and better prioritize initiatives, because I have the feeling that sometimes we are discussing everything at the same time. In addition, I do have a feeling that if Sebastian is on vacation or not available that our meeting results in chaos (last weeks meeting is a good example). To put it in a nutshell: Personally speaking, I am not in favor of a working group but we definetely need to introduce some improvements / structure and maybe reuse / link existing material / presentations, as suggested by Sebastian. |
Maybe the working group was a too big word - my proposal was to just get 4 folks on a 2-3 workshop calls to work out an document with improvement proposals, this is not something we can easily do in the ORT dev meeting where there are over a dozen people on the line. Some points require research (of other OSS project do this is needed) and in-depth discussion to come up with good set of proposals which is easier to do with 4 people than with > 12 in a focused call than 1 hour call with other agenda topics. |
I still believe we should start lightweight and address what's IMO the most pressing need: A clearer communication about what the core contributors at Bosch and HERE plan to work on (without any promises being made). Therefore, I propose to delete @tsteenbe's old project board, and to create a new roadmap (similar to GitHub's) using the new projects boards. Actually, to start with maybe separate roadmaps per contributing party would make sense to express and share a specific company's priorities, and we could later thing about creating a combined general roadmap from it. For testing, I've started to create something here. |
Some updates from today's backlog grooming session:
That said, there's basically nothing left in this issue that goes beyond the other documentation issues we have, so I'm closing this. |
Creating this ticket as a follow up to the 2021-10-21 ORT developer meeting
Issues raised
Proposal
Create working group with 3-4 people e.g. 1 per company to draft a document with "ways of working on ORT" to work out below initial ideas discussed in the meeting:
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