In-game PP Leaderboards

[aireulain]

Describe the new feature: PP leaderboard in-game which sorts scores on the map by highest pp achieved

Proposal designs of the feature: Something like this

[nbvdkamp]

Might be better to have this as a separate option from the global/country/etc. leaderboards so that it can be applied to non global leaderboards too, would also make it easier to then add more kinds of leaderboards like acc or combo.

[EVAST9919]

In most cases Higher score = Higher PP.
Imo it's not worth it

[awesomecuber]

IMO the end goal should be to merge pp and score into one system. Seems kinda dumb to me that it's possible to get a higher score but less pp.

[peppy]

I’d hope this is no longer required with lazer’s scoring method.

[huoyaoyuan]

In most cases Higher score = Higher PP.

My personal thoughts:

• Scoring should be very stable, while PP may change when adjusting the algorithm.
• When applying the same mods, good algorithms should ensure higher score = higher PP. But when comparing across mods, this will probably not be true.

[hostilew]

This was brought up in the infrastructure plan so I'm bumping this thread for discussion, hopefully that's okay. This seems like the only way to balance leaderboards with so many mod options like rate changes and individual difficulty adjustments. There should be a priority for continuing to reward harder plays with higher leaderboard placements, and the gamut of possible modded plays for any given map is too wide to split into a reasonable number of separate leaderboards on lazer. (Each mod combo getting it's own leaderboard on stable is already a lot.) Leaderboard sorting that actually analyzes the map/play and determines how good the play is, is preferable to any blind system for competitive play.

[peppy]

not the answer you're looking for.

[Y2nn1c]

I don't understand why we are even trying to keep the score system so much. PP is a way more accurate metric which is why it replaced score for the player leaderboards in the first place. Sure, you can still show the score for plays, however scores on ranked maps should be sorted by pp. Also to peppys comment, no, lazer scoring does currently not fix the issue. Have a look at this leaderboard:
https://osu.ppy.sh/beatmapsets/10112#osu/40017
No matter if we take stable scoring, lazer scoring with the classic score system or the lazer scoring alone, cookiezis play which is way higher than all the other scores in terms of pp (the play is 819 pp while the second highest pp play is only 470 pp) sits only at spot number 4 with lazer and number 2 with stable scoring. Besides lazer scoring being less accurate than stable scoring in this case, the issue still remains.
Score does not properly represent pp.
So I argue that we just sort the ranked leaderboards with pp instead of trying to re-invent the scoring system over and over again.