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<section data-media-src="https://lab.hyperaud.io/video/BBC/education.mp4" data-media-type="audio/mp3" data-wm="$ilp.uphold.com/123section">
<h5 data-m="0">How do we make people more aware of their personal data?</h5>
<p data-wm="$ilp.uphold.com/123Doc">
<span data-m="4470" data-d="0" class="speaker">Doc: </span>
<span data-m="4470" data-d="270">We </span>
<span data-m="4740" data-d="240">have </span>
<span data-m="5010" data-d="300">two </span>
<span data-m="5310" data-d="600">selves </span>
<span data-m="6030" data-d="150">in </span>
<span data-m="6180" data-d="120">the </span>
<span data-m="6300" data-d="300">world </span>
<span data-m="6600" data-d="90">at </span>
<span data-m="6690" data-d="150">any </span>
<span data-m="6840" data-d="300">given </span>
<span data-m="7140" data-d="310">time </span>
<span data-m="7540" data-d="180">now. </span>
<span data-m="8490" data-d="180">We </span>
<span data-m="8670" data-d="270">have </span>
<span data-m="8940" data-d="120">the </span>
<span data-m="9060" data-d="480">physical </span>
<span data-m="9720" data-d="570">self, </span>
<span data-m="11010" data-d="150">our </span>
<span data-m="11160" data-d="390">flesh </span>
<span data-m="11550" data-d="120">and </span>
<span data-m="11670" data-d="360">blood, </span>
<span data-m="12420" data-d="180">our </span>
<span data-m="12600" data-d="690">voice, </span>
<span data-m="13860" data-d="120">our </span>
<span data-m="13980" data-d="510">presence </span>
<span data-m="14490" data-d="120">in </span>
<span data-m="14610" data-d="120">the </span>
<span data-m="14730" data-d="360">world </span>
<span data-m="15300" data-d="150">which </span>
<span data-m="15450" data-d="510">extends </span>
<span data-m="15960" data-d="360">beyond </span>
<span data-m="16320" data-d="120">our </span>
<span data-m="16440" data-d="420">bodies </span>
<span data-m="16890" data-d="140">but </span>
<span data-m="18060" data-d="390">lives </span>
<span data-m="18450" data-d="90">in </span>
<span data-m="18540" data-d="140">this </span>
<span data-m="18690" data-d="450">physical </span>
<span data-m="19140" data-d="450">space. </span>
<span data-m="20560" data-d="180">There's </span>
<span data-m="20760" data-d="180">this </span>
<span data-m="20940" data-d="300">other </span>
<span data-m="21240" data-d="390">space, </span>
<span data-m="21660" data-d="120">we </span>
<span data-m="21780" data-d="480">started </span>
<span data-m="22260" data-d="270">calling </span>
<span data-m="22530" data-d="840">cyberspace </span>
<span data-m="23370" data-d="60">a </span>
<span data-m="23430" data-d="210">long </span>
<span data-m="23640" data-d="270">time </span>
<span data-m="23910" data-d="240">ago, </span>
<span data-m="24180" data-d="180">but </span>
<span data-m="24360" data-d="150">it's </span>
<span data-m="24510" data-d="60">a </span>
<span data-m="24570" data-d="270">real </span>
<span data-m="24840" data-d="240">thing. </span>
<span data-m="25770" data-d="180">It's </span>
<span data-m="25950" data-d="60">a </span>
<span data-m="26010" data-d="270">data </span>
<span data-m="26280" data-d="440">space. </span>
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<p data-wm="$ilp.uphold.com/123Julian">
<span data-m="26940" data-d="0" class="speaker">Julian: </span>
<span data-m="26940" data-d="240">We </span>
<span data-m="27180" data-d="360">are </span>
<span data-m="27960" data-d="510">as </span>
<span data-m="29130" data-d="510">people </span>
<span data-m="29970" data-d="210">quite </span>
<span data-m="30180" data-d="390">often </span>
<span data-m="30690" data-d="660">data </span>
<span data-m="31350" data-d="660">illiterate. </span>
<span data-m="32850" data-d="180">We </span>
<span data-m="33030" data-d="300">don't </span>
<span data-m="33330" data-d="450">realise </span>
<span data-m="33780" data-d="60">the </span>
<span data-m="33840" data-d="540">impact </span>
<span data-m="34380" data-d="120">of </span>
<span data-m="34500" data-d="150">what </span>
<span data-m="34650" data-d="220">data </span>
<span data-m="34960" data-d="170">has </span>
<span data-m="35130" data-d="90">on </span>
<span data-m="35220" data-d="90">our </span>
<span data-m="35310" data-d="420">lives, </span>
<span data-m="35760" data-d="90">we </span>
<span data-m="35850" data-d="270">don't </span>
<span data-m="36390" data-d="450">realise </span>
<span data-m="36840" data-d="150">what </span>
<span data-m="36990" data-d="120">we're </span>
<span data-m="37110" data-d="150">giving </span>
<span data-m="37260" data-d="150">away </span>
<span data-m="38410" data-d="80">and </span>
<span data-m="38490" data-d="60">we </span>
<span data-m="38550" data-d="330">don't </span>
<span data-m="38880" data-d="660">realise </span>
<span data-m="39810" data-d="90">the </span>
<span data-m="39900" data-d="780">mechanisms </span>
<span data-m="40680" data-d="120">that </span>
<span data-m="40800" data-d="210">will </span>
<span data-m="41010" data-d="450">enable </span>
<span data-m="41460" data-d="240">us </span>
<span data-m="41970" data-d="390">to </span>
<span data-m="42390" data-d="810">re-empower </span>
<span data-m="43200" data-d="600">ourselves </span>
<span data-m="44340" data-d="165">in </span>
<span data-m="44505" data-d="82">this </span>
<span data-m="44587" data-d="82">environment. </span>
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<p>
<span data-m="45060" data-d="0" class="speaker">Adrian: </span>
<span data-m="45060" data-d="840">Security </span>
<span data-m="45900" data-d="120">and </span>
<span data-m="46020" data-d="470">privacy, </span>
<span data-m="46490" data-d="470">they </span>
<span data-m="46980" data-d="240">are </span>
<span data-m="47220" data-d="390">issues –</span>
<span data-m="47610" data-d="300">people </span>
<span data-m="47910" data-d="210">do </span>
<span data-m="48120" data-d="300">care </span>
<span data-m="48420" data-d="240">about </span>
<span data-m="48660" data-d="1060">them </span>
<span data-m="49720" data-d="1060">and </span>
<span data-m="50790" data-d="150">we </span>
<span data-m="50940" data-d="150">need </span>
<span data-m="51090" data-d="270">to, </span>
<span data-m="51420" data-d="120">we </span>
<span data-m="51540" data-d="120">should </span>
<span data-m="51660" data-d="360">address </span>
<span data-m="52020" data-d="150">them. </span>
</p>
<p>
<span data-m="52890" data-d="0" class="speaker">Alexandra: </span>
<span data-m="52890" data-d="90">I </span>
<span data-m="52980" data-d="240">think </span>
<span data-m="53220" data-d="720">unfortunately </span>
<span data-m="53970" data-d="60">at </span>
<span data-m="54030" data-d="60">the </span>
<span data-m="54090" data-d="270">minute </span>
<span data-m="54390" data-d="180">we </span>
<span data-m="54570" data-d="180">make </span>
<span data-m="54750" data-d="270">people </span>
<span data-m="55020" data-d="300">aware </span>
<span data-m="55320" data-d="90">of </span>
<span data-m="55410" data-d="150">their </span>
<span data-m="55560" data-d="480">personal </span>
<span data-m="56040" data-d="330">data </span>
<span data-m="56370" data-d="210">when </span>
<span data-m="56580" data-d="480">terrible </span>
<span data-m="57060" data-d="300">things </span>
<span data-m="57360" data-d="510">happen. </span>
</p>
<p>
<span data-m="58500" data-d="0" class="speaker">Aleks: </span>
<span data-m="58500" data-d="210">It's </span>
<span data-m="58710" data-d="150">going </span>
<span data-m="58860" data-d="90">to </span>
<span data-m="58950" data-d="450">take </span>
<span data-m="59400" data-d="540">personal </span>
<span data-m="59940" data-d="1020">experiences </span>
<span data-m="60990" data-d="210">of </span>
<span data-m="61200" data-d="420">falling </span>
<span data-m="61620" data-d="480">over, </span>
<span data-m="64260" data-d="210">some </span>
<span data-m="64470" data-d="210">kind </span>
<span data-m="64680" data-d="210">of </span>
<span data-m="65069" data-d="510">truly </span>
<span data-m="65580" data-d="540">horrific </span>
<span data-m="66120" data-d="690">experience </span>
<span data-m="66870" data-d="330">before </span>
<span data-m="67200" data-d="300">people </span>
<span data-m="67500" data-d="510">actually </span>
<span data-m="68010" data-d="450">feel </span>
<span data-m="68460" data-d="180">that </span>
<span data-m="68640" data-d="210">they </span>
<span data-m="68850" data-d="270">are </span>
<span data-m="69540" data-d="600">compelled </span>
<span data-m="70140" data-d="120">to </span>
<span data-m="70260" data-d="150">be </span>
<span data-m="70410" data-d="510">educated </span>
<span data-m="70920" data-d="270">about </span>
<span data-m="71290" data-d="110">this. </span>
</p>
<p>
<span data-m="71500" data-d="0" class="speaker">Alexandra: </span>
<span data-m="71500" data-d="70">And </span>
<span data-m="71570" data-d="70">I </span>
<span data-m="71640" data-d="240">think </span>
<span data-m="71880" data-d="240">there's </span>
<span data-m="72150" data-d="330">two </span>
<span data-m="72480" data-d="360">pieces </span>
<span data-m="72840" data-d="90">of </span>
<span data-m="72930" data-d="270">data. </span>
<span data-m="73230" data-d="370">People </span>
<span data-m="73620" data-d="240">feel </span>
<span data-m="73860" data-d="210">very </span>
<span data-m="74070" data-d="450">strongly </span>
<span data-m="74520" data-d="330">about, </span>
<span data-m="75480" data-d="180">one </span>
<span data-m="75660" data-d="150">is </span>
<span data-m="75810" data-d="300">health </span>
<span data-m="76110" data-d="330">care </span>
<span data-m="76920" data-d="120">and </span>
<span data-m="77040" data-d="120">the </span>
<span data-m="77160" data-d="100">other </span>
<span data-m="77260" data-d="140">one </span>
<span data-m="77400" data-d="120">is </span>
<span data-m="77520" data-d="480">banking. </span>
<span data-m="78660" data-d="420">So </span>
<span data-m="79170" data-d="210">if </span>
<span data-m="79380" data-d="120">you </span>
<span data-m="79500" data-d="420">touch </span>
<span data-m="79920" data-d="300">those </span>
<span data-m="80220" data-d="390">two </span>
<span data-m="80610" data-d="720">areas, </span>
<span data-m="81840" data-d="120">the </span>
<span data-m="81960" data-d="600">reaction </span>
<span data-m="82560" data-d="120">is </span>
<span data-m="82680" data-d="600">extremely </span>
<span data-m="83280" data-d="510">strong </span>
<span data-m="83790" data-d="540">because </span>
<span data-m="84450" data-d="450">they </span>
<span data-m="84900" data-d="810">feel </span>
<span data-m="86060" data-d="470">that </span>
<span data-m="86530" data-d="270">it </span>
<span data-m="86910" data-d="270">sort </span>
<span data-m="87180" data-d="90">of </span>
<span data-m="87270" data-d="420">touches </span>
<span data-m="87690" data-d="450">something </span>
<span data-m="88140" data-d="210">that </span>
<span data-m="88390" data-d="420">they </span>
<span data-m="89760" data-d="240">should </span>
<span data-m="90000" data-d="90">be </span>
<span data-m="90090" data-d="150">in </span>
<span data-m="90240" data-d="420">complete </span>
<span data-m="90660" data-d="510">control </span>
<span data-m="91170" data-d="150">of. </span>
</p>
<p>
<span data-m="91680" data-d="0" class="speaker">Doug: </span>
<span data-m="91680" data-d="150">The </span>
<span data-m="91830" data-d="390">Internet </span>
<span data-m="92220" data-d="180">is </span>
<span data-m="92400" data-d="760">manmade </span>
<span data-m="93750" data-d="240">and </span>
<span data-m="94200" data-d="540">everything </span>
<span data-m="94740" data-d="150">you </span>
<span data-m="94890" data-d="210">put </span>
<span data-m="95100" data-d="720">online </span>
<span data-m="96330" data-d="150">is </span>
<span data-m="96480" data-d="720">recoverable. </span>
<span data-m="98160" data-d="210">There </span>
<span data-m="98370" data-d="90">are </span>
<span data-m="98460" data-d="540">world-class </span>
<span data-m="99000" data-d="570">security </span>
<span data-m="99570" data-d="570">experts, </span>
<span data-m="100400" data-d="90">but </span>
<span data-m="100500" data-d="120">there </span>
<span data-m="100620" data-d="30">are </span>
<span data-m="100650" data-d="420">still </span>
<span data-m="101070" data-d="390">people </span>
<span data-m="101460" data-d="150">who </span>
<span data-m="101610" data-d="60">are </span>
<span data-m="101670" data-d="480">stealing </span>
<span data-m="102150" data-d="390">money </span>
<span data-m="102540" data-d="210">from </span>
<span data-m="102750" data-d="300">bank </span>
<span data-m="103050" data-d="540">accounts. </span>
</p>
<p>
<span data-m="103710" data-d="0" class="speaker">Adrian: </span>
<span data-m="103710" data-d="90">As </span>
<span data-m="103800" data-d="990">technologists </span>
<span data-m="104880" data-d="380">we </span>
<span data-m="105760" data-d="190">we </span>
<span data-m="106110" data-d="180">have </span>
<span data-m="106290" data-d="70">a </span>
<span data-m="106360" data-d="480">duty </span>
<span data-m="107070" data-d="120">to </span>
<span data-m="107190" data-d="240">try </span>
<span data-m="107430" data-d="120">to </span>
<span data-m="107550" data-d="420">explain </span>
<span data-m="107970" data-d="120">these </span>
<span data-m="108090" data-d="360">things </span>
<span data-m="108570" data-d="120">to </span>
<span data-m="108690" data-d="390">people </span>
<span data-m="109500" data-d="120">and </span>
<span data-m="109620" data-d="60">to </span>
<span data-m="109680" data-d="210">try </span>
<span data-m="109890" data-d="90">to </span>
<span data-m="109980" data-d="180">get </span>
<span data-m="110160" data-d="450">across, </span>
<span data-m="110660" data-d="80">you </span>
<span data-m="110740" data-d="80">know, </span>
<span data-m="110840" data-d="330">find </span>
<span data-m="111180" data-d="360">ways </span>
<span data-m="111560" data-d="230">to </span>
<span data-m="112200" data-d="240">make </span>
<span data-m="112440" data-d="90">it </span>
<span data-m="112530" data-d="330">real </span>
<span data-m="112860" data-d="80">and </span>
<span data-m="112950" data-d="210">make </span>
<span data-m="113160" data-d="90">it </span>
<span data-m="113250" data-d="210">make </span>
<span data-m="113460" data-d="975">sense </span>
<span data-m="114435" data-d="975">and </span>
<span data-m="116130" data-d="120">we </span>
<span data-m="116250" data-d="180">need </span>
<span data-m="116430" data-d="270">more </span>
<span data-m="116700" data-d="660">examples </span>
<span data-m="118160" data-d="180">and </span>
<span data-m="118380" data-d="360">better </span>
<span data-m="118740" data-d="570">education. </span>
</p>
<p>
<span data-m="119460" data-d="0" class="speaker">Julian: </span>
<span data-m="119460" data-d="90">We </span>
<span data-m="119550" data-d="175">need </span>
<span data-m="119725" data-d="87">to </span>
<span data-m="119812" data-d="43">create </span>
<span data-m="119855" data-d="43">a </span>
<span data-m="120240" data-d="270">more </span>
<span data-m="120510" data-d="600">informed </span>
<span data-m="122790" data-d="450">debate </span>
<span data-m="123240" data-d="300">about </span>
<span data-m="123560" data-d="470">data, </span>
<span data-m="124530" data-d="420">especially </span>
<span data-m="124960" data-d="120">the </span>
<span data-m="125070" data-d="390">value </span>
<span data-m="125460" data-d="90">of </span>
<span data-m="125550" data-d="500">data. </span>
<span data-m="126390" data-d="900">The </span>
<span data-m="127290" data-d="240">value </span>
<span data-m="127530" data-d="60">of </span>
<span data-m="127590" data-d="470">data </span>
<span data-m="128160" data-d="150">as </span>
<span data-m="128310" data-d="570">individuals </span>
<span data-m="128880" data-d="90">and </span>
<span data-m="128970" data-d="90">the </span>
<span data-m="129210" data-d="300">value </span>
<span data-m="129509" data-d="60">of </span>
<span data-m="129570" data-d="330">data </span>
<span data-m="129910" data-d="790">aggregated. </span>
</p>
<h5 data-m="131000">What are the disadvantages of managing your own data?</h5>
<p>
<span data-m="135060" data-d="0" class="speaker">Doc: </span>
<span data-m="135060" data-d="450">Right </span>
<span data-m="135510" data-d="240">now </span>
<span data-m="135750" data-d="300">there's </span>
<span data-m="136050" data-d="300">more </span>
<span data-m="136350" data-d="270">talk </span>
<span data-m="136620" data-d="150">than </span>
<span data-m="136770" data-d="270">ever </span>
<span data-m="137040" data-d="330">about </span>
<span data-m="138150" data-d="390">owning </span>
<span data-m="138540" data-d="180">your </span>
<span data-m="138720" data-d="150">own </span>
<span data-m="138870" data-d="420">data, </span>
<span data-m="141860" data-d="550">because </span>
<span data-m="142430" data-d="180">there </span>
<span data-m="142610" data-d="70">are </span>
<span data-m="142680" data-d="360">so </span>
<span data-m="143040" data-d="330">many </span>
<span data-m="143580" data-d="570">companies </span>
<span data-m="144150" data-d="210">out </span>
<span data-m="144360" data-d="150">there </span>
<span data-m="144510" data-d="120">that </span>
<span data-m="144630" data-d="90">are </span>
<span data-m="144720" data-d="510">gathering </span>
<span data-m="145230" data-d="300">data </span>
<span data-m="145530" data-d="420">about </span>
<span data-m="145950" data-d="750">us, </span>
<span data-m="146700" data-d="750">that </span>
<span data-m="147450" data-d="150">we </span>
<span data-m="147600" data-d="210">don't </span>
<span data-m="147810" data-d="200">own </span>
<span data-m="148020" data-d="90">at </span>
<span data-m="148110" data-d="240">all, </span>
<span data-m="148380" data-d="45">that </span>
<span data-m="148425" data-d="45">we </span>
<span data-m="148470" data-d="180">don't </span>
<span data-m="148650" data-d="480">control </span>
<span data-m="149130" data-d="90">at </span>
<span data-m="149220" data-d="300">all. </span>
</p>
<p>
<span data-m="149850" data-d="0" class="speaker">Glyn: </span>
<span data-m="149850" data-d="300">So </span>
<span data-m="150150" data-d="140">if </span>
<span data-m="150290" data-d="70">we're </span>
<span data-m="150360" data-d="180">trying </span>
<span data-m="150540" data-d="90">to </span>
<span data-m="150630" data-d="300">manage </span>
<span data-m="150930" data-d="150">your </span>
<span data-m="151080" data-d="150">own </span>
<span data-m="151230" data-d="1500">data, </span>
<span data-m="152730" data-d="1500">one </span>
<span data-m="154230" data-d="90">of </span>
<span data-m="154320" data-d="90">the </span>
<span data-m="154410" data-d="330">problems </span>
<span data-m="154740" data-d="90">with </span>
<span data-m="154830" data-d="270">this </span>
<span data-m="155220" data-d="150">is </span>
<span data-m="155370" data-d="90">you </span>
<span data-m="155460" data-d="210">don't </span>
<span data-m="155670" data-d="1080">necessarily </span>
<span data-m="157050" data-d="330">know </span>
<span data-m="157380" data-d="180">what </span>
<span data-m="157560" data-d="330">data </span>
<span data-m="157890" data-d="120">you're </span>
<span data-m="158010" data-d="330">giving </span>
<span data-m="158340" data-d="100">to </span>
<span data-m="158440" data-d="140">other </span>
<span data-m="158580" data-d="300">people. </span>
<span data-m="159030" data-d="300">So </span>
<span data-m="159780" data-d="360">lacking </span>
<span data-m="160140" data-d="780">information </span>
<span data-m="161130" data-d="390">and </span>
<span data-m="161520" data-d="370">lacking </span>
<span data-m="161890" data-d="60">in </span>
<span data-m="161970" data-d="210">any </span>
<span data-m="162180" data-d="150">way </span>
<span data-m="162330" data-d="60">of </span>
<span data-m="162390" data-d="360">finding </span>
<span data-m="162750" data-d="150">out </span>
<span data-m="162900" data-d="150">that </span>
<span data-m="163050" data-d="690">information. </span>
</p>
<p>
<span data-m="164010" data-d="0" class="speaker">Jon: </span>
<span data-m="164010" data-d="150">So </span>
<span data-m="164160" data-d="90">I </span>
<span data-m="164250" data-d="240">actually </span>
<span data-m="164490" data-d="225">want </span>
<span data-m="164715" data-d="225">it </span>
<span data-m="164970" data-d="120">to </span>
<span data-m="165090" data-d="90">be </span>
<span data-m="165180" data-d="90">in </span>
<span data-m="165270" data-d="90">the </span>
<span data-m="165360" data-d="360">hands </span>
<span data-m="165720" data-d="240">of </span>
<span data-m="166290" data-d="600">agencies </span>
<span data-m="166890" data-d="90">that </span>
<span data-m="166980" data-d="60">are </span>
<span data-m="167040" data-d="150">going </span>
<span data-m="167190" data-d="60">to </span>
<span data-m="167250" data-d="270">do </span>
<span data-m="167610" data-d="270">good </span>
<span data-m="167880" data-d="210">with </span>
<span data-m="168090" data-d="890">that </span>
<span data-m="169010" data-d="125">that </span>
<span data-m="169135" data-d="125">can </span>
<span data-m="169260" data-d="360">maybe </span>
<span data-m="169620" data-d="270">use </span>
<span data-m="169890" data-d="210">my </span>
<span data-m="170100" data-d="330">data </span>
<span data-m="170430" data-d="90">in </span>
<span data-m="170520" data-d="510">comparison </span>
<span data-m="171030" data-d="180">to </span>
<span data-m="171540" data-d="540">millions </span>
<span data-m="172080" data-d="120">of </span>
<span data-m="172200" data-d="180">other </span>
<span data-m="172380" data-d="390">people's </span>
<span data-m="172770" data-d="360">data </span>
<span data-m="173130" data-d="120">to </span>
<span data-m="173250" data-d="270">find </span>
<span data-m="173520" data-d="450">trends, </span>
<span data-m="174370" data-d="140">or </span>
<span data-m="174540" data-d="120">to </span>
<span data-m="174660" data-d="180">find </span>
<span data-m="174840" data-d="660">specifics </span>
<span data-m="175650" data-d="300">about </span>
<span data-m="175950" data-d="240">me. </span>
<span data-m="176940" data-d="150">So </span>
<span data-m="177090" data-d="190">yeah </span>
<span data-m="177480" data-d="180">we </span>
<span data-m="177660" data-d="260">needed </span>
<span data-m="177930" data-d="45">it </span>
<span data-m="177975" data-d="45">to </span>
<span data-m="178020" data-d="120">be </span>
<span data-m="178140" data-d="150">out </span>
<span data-m="178290" data-d="240">there </span>
<span data-m="178710" data-d="120">in </span>
<span data-m="178830" data-d="240">order </span>
<span data-m="179070" data-d="120">to </span>
<span data-m="179190" data-d="240">make </span>
<span data-m="179430" data-d="90">it </span>
<span data-m="179700" data-d="300">work, </span>
<span data-m="181500" data-d="120">and </span>
<span data-m="181620" data-d="330">that's </span>
<span data-m="181950" data-d="120">where </span>
<span data-m="182070" data-d="90">the </span>
<span data-m="182160" data-d="390">tension </span>
<span data-m="182550" data-d="300">comes </span>
<span data-m="182850" data-d="170">in </span>
<span data-m="183030" data-d="330">because </span>
<span data-m="183360" data-d="60">as </span>
<span data-m="183420" data-d="210">soon </span>
<span data-m="183630" data-d="120">as </span>
<span data-m="183750" data-d="150">I </span>
<span data-m="183900" data-d="420">agree </span>
<span data-m="184320" data-d="150">for </span>
<span data-m="184470" data-d="90">it </span>
<span data-m="184560" data-d="120">to </span>
<span data-m="184680" data-d="120">be </span>
<span data-m="184800" data-d="150">out </span>
<span data-m="185010" data-d="210">there, </span>
<span data-m="185500" data-d="80">and </span>
<span data-m="185600" data-d="210">allow </span>
<span data-m="185820" data-d="60">it </span>
<span data-m="185880" data-d="90">to </span>
<span data-m="185970" data-d="90">be </span>
<span data-m="186060" data-d="360">worked </span>
<span data-m="186420" data-d="240">on </span>
<span data-m="187610" data-d="190">it's </span>
<span data-m="187800" data-d="60">a </span>
<span data-m="187860" data-d="150">bit </span>
<span data-m="188010" data-d="240">like </span>
<span data-m="188250" data-d="330">having </span>
<span data-m="188580" data-d="120">a </span>
<span data-m="188700" data-d="420">house </span>
<span data-m="189120" data-d="450">party </span>
<span data-m="189570" data-d="180">when </span>
<span data-m="189750" data-d="30">I </span>
<span data-m="189780" data-d="150">was </span>
<span data-m="189930" data-d="750">seventeen </span>
<span data-m="191010" data-d="120">and </span>
<span data-m="191130" data-d="270">said, </span>
<span data-m="191820" data-d="570">everybody's </span>
<span data-m="192420" data-d="540">welcome. </span>
<span data-m="193460" data-d="300">Well </span>
<span data-m="194040" data-d="120">they </span>
<span data-m="194160" data-d="420">were </span>
<span data-m="196040" data-d="860">until </span>
<span data-m="197570" data-d="100">it </span>
<span data-m="197670" data-d="170">got </span>
<span data-m="197840" data-d="70">a </span>
<span data-m="197910" data-d="260">bit </span>
<span data-m="198240" data-d="180">out </span>
<span data-m="198420" data-d="180">of </span>
<span data-m="198600" data-d="570">hand </span>
<span data-m="199860" data-d="240">and </span>
<span data-m="200100" data-d="150">you </span>
<span data-m="200250" data-d="250">know </span>
<span data-m="200500" data-d="130">with </span>
<span data-m="200640" data-d="200">that </span>
<span data-m="200930" data-d="225">story </span>
<span data-m="201155" data-d="225">goes. </span>
</p>
<p>
<span data-m="201630" data-d="0" class="speaker">Jeni: </span>
<span data-m="201630" data-d="180">I </span>
<span data-m="201810" data-d="450">think </span>
<span data-m="202300" data-d="1090">that, </span>
<span data-m="204540" data-d="120">I </span>
<span data-m="204660" data-d="240">think </span>
<span data-m="204900" data-d="150">that </span>
<span data-m="205050" data-d="210">there </span>
<span data-m="205260" data-d="30">are </span>
<span data-m="205290" data-d="330">very </span>
<span data-m="205620" data-d="270">few </span>
<span data-m="205890" data-d="540">people </span>
<span data-m="206460" data-d="330">who </span>
<span data-m="206880" data-d="150">are </span>
<span data-m="207030" data-d="510">willing </span>
<span data-m="207540" data-d="330">to </span>
<span data-m="207870" data-d="750">sacrifice </span>
<span data-m="208620" data-d="120">as </span>
<span data-m="208740" data-d="240">much </span>
<span data-m="208980" data-d="120">as </span>
<span data-m="209100" data-d="120">it </span>
<span data-m="209220" data-d="150">would </span>
<span data-m="209370" data-d="420">actually </span>
<span data-m="209790" data-d="510">take </span>
<span data-m="210380" data-d="250">me </span>
<span data-m="211170" data-d="210">to </span>
<span data-m="211380" data-d="270">not </span>
<span data-m="211650" data-d="300">be </span>
<span data-m="212070" data-d="710">monitored </span>
<span data-m="212880" data-d="240">and </span>
<span data-m="213120" data-d="550">surveilled </span>
<span data-m="213670" data-d="110">at </span>
<span data-m="213790" data-d="410">all. </span>
</p>
<h5 data-m="214800">What kind of help is available for people to manage their own data?</h5>
<p>
<span data-m="218730" data-d="0" class="speaker">Jon: </span>
<span data-m="218730" data-d="480">We </span>
<span data-m="219270" data-d="450">need </span>
<span data-m="220740" data-d="180">to </span>
<span data-m="220920" data-d="360">move </span>
<span data-m="221280" data-d="120">the </span>
<span data-m="221400" data-d="420">debate </span>
<span data-m="221880" data-d="510">beyond </span>
<span data-m="222480" data-d="60">a </span>
<span data-m="222540" data-d="690">discussion </span>
<span data-m="223230" data-d="180">about </span>
<span data-m="223410" data-d="180">what </span>
<span data-m="223590" data-d="60">it </span>
<span data-m="223650" data-d="130">can </span>
<span data-m="223780" data-d="80">be </span>
<span data-m="223860" data-d="80">in </span>
<span data-m="223950" data-d="60">a </span>
<span data-m="224010" data-d="590">commercial </span>
<span data-m="224780" data-d="280">realm </span>
<span data-m="225620" data-d="460">into </span>
<span data-m="227010" data-d="830">activity </span>
<span data-m="228150" data-d="140">in </span>
<span data-m="228300" data-d="150">the </span>
<span data-m="228570" data-d="480">ordinary </span>
<span data-m="229050" data-d="560">domestic </span>
<span data-m="229610" data-d="150">role. </span>
</p>
<p>
<span data-m="230100" data-d="0" class="speaker">Alexandra: </span>
<span data-m="230100" data-d="150">I </span>
<span data-m="230250" data-d="270">think </span>
<span data-m="230520" data-d="120">we </span>
<span data-m="230640" data-d="270">should </span>
<span data-m="230910" data-d="210">be </span>
<span data-m="231120" data-d="630">educating </span>
<span data-m="231750" data-d="720">people </span>
<span data-m="233190" data-d="510">about </span>
<span data-m="233940" data-d="450">data </span>
<span data-m="234420" data-d="720">through </span>
<span data-m="236010" data-d="450">building </span>
<span data-m="236460" data-d="900">partnerships </span>
<span data-m="237360" data-d="180">with </span>
<span data-m="237540" data-d="90">the </span>
<span data-m="237630" data-d="720">companies </span>
<span data-m="238770" data-d="150">who </span>
<span data-m="238920" data-d="90">are </span>
<span data-m="239010" data-d="540">involved </span>
<span data-m="239550" data-d="390">in </span>
<span data-m="240060" data-d="600">selling </span>
<span data-m="240660" data-d="240">those </span>
<span data-m="240900" data-d="690">products. </span>
</p>
<p>
<span data-m="242190" data-d="0" class="speaker">Doug: </span>
<span data-m="242190" data-d="120">I </span>
<span data-m="242310" data-d="270">think </span>
<span data-m="242580" data-d="180">we </span>
<span data-m="242760" data-d="450">already </span>
<span data-m="243210" data-d="360">have </span>
<span data-m="243990" data-d="300">a </span>
<span data-m="244560" data-d="510">middleman </span>
<span data-m="245190" data-d="210">for </span>
<span data-m="245400" data-d="360">open </span>
<span data-m="245760" data-d="420">data </span>
<span data-m="246610" data-d="240">in </span>
<span data-m="246960" data-d="170">an </span>
<span data-m="247130" data-d="790">institution </span>
<span data-m="247920" data-d="150">that's </span>
<span data-m="248070" data-d="180">been </span>
<span data-m="248250" data-d="450">recently </span>
<span data-m="248700" data-d="440">created </span>
<span data-m="249150" data-d="300">the </span>
<span data-m="249510" data-d="300">Open </span>
<span data-m="249810" data-d="270">Data </span>
<span data-m="250090" data-d="560">Institute, </span>
<span data-m="251580" data-d="570">co-founded </span>
<span data-m="252150" data-d="270">by </span>
<span data-m="252630" data-d="240">Tim </span>
<span data-m="252870" data-d="540">Berners-Lee </span>
<span data-m="253410" data-d="120">and </span>
<span data-m="253530" data-d="300">Gavin </span>
<span data-m="253850" data-d="530">Starkson, </span>
<span data-m="254590" data-d="95">there's </span>
<span data-m="254685" data-d="95">some </span>
<span data-m="254820" data-d="690">fantastic </span>
<span data-m="255510" data-d="390">people </span>
<span data-m="255900" data-d="300">that </span>
<span data-m="257320" data-d="340">created </span>
<span data-m="257660" data-d="340">an </span>
<span data-m="258089" data-d="780">accreditation </span>
<span data-m="258870" data-d="480">system. </span>
</p>
<p>
<span data-m="259800" data-d="0" class="speaker">Doc: </span>
<span data-m="259800" data-d="180">What's </span>
<span data-m="259980" data-d="210">going </span>
<span data-m="260190" data-d="90">to </span>
<span data-m="260279" data-d="360">happen </span>
<span data-m="260640" data-d="90">in </span>
<span data-m="260730" data-d="90">the </span>
<span data-m="260820" data-d="270">long </span>
<span data-m="261089" data-d="210">run </span>
<span data-m="261300" data-d="120">is </span>
<span data-m="261420" data-d="90">that </span>
<span data-m="261510" data-d="360">people </span>
<span data-m="261870" data-d="270">will </span>
<span data-m="262140" data-d="420">have </span>
<span data-m="262800" data-d="450">control </span>
<span data-m="263250" data-d="150">over </span>
<span data-m="263400" data-d="120">their </span>
<span data-m="263520" data-d="360">personal </span>
<span data-m="263880" data-d="270">data </span>
<span data-m="264150" data-d="300">because </span>
<span data-m="264450" data-d="300">they'll </span>
<span data-m="264750" data-d="210">know </span>
<span data-m="264960" data-d="300">better </span>
<span data-m="265260" data-d="150">what </span>
<span data-m="265410" data-d="120">to </span>
<span data-m="265530" data-d="150">do </span>
<span data-m="265680" data-d="150">with </span>
<span data-m="265830" data-d="80">it </span>
<span data-m="265920" data-d="120">and </span>
<span data-m="266040" data-d="90">the </span>
<span data-m="266220" data-d="420">tools </span>
<span data-m="266640" data-d="120">will </span>
<span data-m="266760" data-d="450">exist </span>
<span data-m="267210" data-d="150">for </span>
<span data-m="267360" data-d="330">them </span>
<span data-m="268500" data-d="360">to </span>
<span data-m="269430" data-d="240">do </span>
<span data-m="269670" data-d="390">more </span>
<span data-m="270060" data-d="300">with </span>
<span data-m="270360" data-d="150">it, </span>
<span data-m="271110" data-d="180">with </span>
<span data-m="271290" data-d="150">that </span>
<span data-m="271440" data-d="300">data </span>
<span data-m="271770" data-d="270">than </span>
<span data-m="272040" data-d="180">these </span>
<span data-m="272220" data-d="210">other </span>
<span data-m="272430" data-d="450">companies </span>
<span data-m="272880" data-d="300">could. </span>
<span data-m="274070" data-d="160">It's </span>
<span data-m="274530" data-d="240">just </span>
<span data-m="274770" data-d="180">like </span>
<span data-m="274950" data-d="90">it </span>
<span data-m="275040" data-d="270">was </span>
<span data-m="275310" data-d="210">with </span>
<span data-m="275520" data-d="360">personal </span>
<span data-m="275880" data-d="480">computing. </span>
</p>
<p>
<span data-m="276590" data-d="0" class="speaker">Jon: </span>
<span data-m="276590" data-d="170">and </span>
<span data-m="276760" data-d="110">when </span>
<span data-m="276870" data-d="60">you </span>
<span data-m="276990" data-d="180">kind </span>
<span data-m="277170" data-d="90">of </span>
<span data-m="277470" data-d="840">mobilize </span>
<span data-m="278490" data-d="80">a </span>
<span data-m="278610" data-d="450">world </span>
<span data-m="279860" data-d="340">task </span>
<span data-m="280240" data-d="350">force </span>
<span data-m="281070" data-d="210">of </span>
<span data-m="281740" data-d="260">paper </span>
<span data-m="282210" data-d="480">geeks </span>
<span data-m="283250" data-d="180">you </span>
<span data-m="283440" data-d="180">like </span>
<span data-m="283620" data-d="420">making </span>
<span data-m="284040" data-d="330">stuff. </span>
</p>
<p>
<span data-m="284760" data-d="0" class="speaker">Doug: </span>
<span data-m="284760" data-d="60">I </span>
<span data-m="284820" data-d="210">don't </span>
<span data-m="285030" data-d="330">think </span>
<span data-m="285360" data-d="180">we </span>
<span data-m="285540" data-d="320">need </span>
<span data-m="285870" data-d="570">technology </span>
<span data-m="286440" data-d="570">businesses </span>
<span data-m="287010" data-d="240">to </span>
<span data-m="287590" data-d="320">sit </span>
<span data-m="287990" data-d="320">there </span>
<span data-m="288320" data-d="190">and </span>
<span data-m="288570" data-d="510">vouch </span>
<span data-m="289080" data-d="540">for </span>
<span data-m="291600" data-d="360">people's </span>
<span data-m="291960" data-d="480">data. </span>
<span data-m="293020" data-d="170">That </span>
<span data-m="293220" data-d="390">seems </span>
<span data-m="293610" data-d="130">to </span>
<span data-m="293740" data-d="320">me </span>
<span data-m="294390" data-d="90">an </span>
<span data-m="294480" data-d="210">old </span>
<span data-m="294690" data-d="180">way </span>
<span data-m="294870" data-d="120">of </span>
<span data-m="294990" data-d="270">doing </span>
<span data-m="295260" data-d="290">things, </span>
<span data-m="295560" data-d="60">I </span>
<span data-m="295620" data-d="240">think </span>
<span data-m="296450" data-d="130">an </span>
<span data-m="296580" data-d="280">open </span>
<span data-m="296890" data-d="410">source </span>
<span data-m="297300" data-d="480">approach </span>
<span data-m="297780" data-d="300">with </span>
<span data-m="298470" data-d="550">five-star </span>
<span data-m="299070" data-d="780">accreditation </span>
<span data-m="299850" data-d="270">from </span>
<span data-m="300120" data-d="120">the </span>
<span data-m="300240" data-d="670">ODI </span>
<span data-m="302220" data-d="450">seems </span>
<span data-m="302670" data-d="60">a </span>
<span data-m="302730" data-d="210">good </span>
<span data-m="302940" data-d="300">way </span>
<span data-m="303240" data-d="510">forward. </span>
</p>
<p>
<span data-m="304260" data-d="0" class="speaker">Doc: </span>
<span data-m="304260" data-d="120">The </span>
<span data-m="304380" data-d="420">trap </span>
<span data-m="304840" data-d="350">not </span>
<span data-m="305190" data-d="120">to </span>
<span data-m="305310" data-d="420">fall </span>
<span data-m="305730" data-d="270">into </span>
<span data-m="306560" data-d="330">is </span>
<span data-m="307020" data-d="120">the </span>
<span data-m="307140" data-d="420">trap </span>
<span data-m="308310" data-d="150">of </span>
<span data-m="308460" data-d="360">fear </span>
<span data-m="309450" data-d="180">right </span>
<span data-m="309630" data-d="270">now, </span>
<span data-m="309990" data-d="140">and </span>
<span data-m="310130" data-d="510">we're </span>
<span data-m="310640" data-d="510">at </span>
<span data-m="311160" data-d="50">a </span>
<span data-m="311210" data-d="240">high </span>
<span data-m="311460" data-d="240">point </span>
<span data-m="311700" data-d="60">of </span>
<span data-m="311760" data-d="210">fear </span>
<span data-m="312000" data-d="330">thanks </span>
<span data-m="312330" data-d="120">to </span>
<span data-m="312450" data-d="300">Edward </span>
<span data-m="312750" data-d="510">Snowden, </span>
<span data-m="313650" data-d="270">thanks </span>
<span data-m="313920" data-d="160">to </span>
<span data-m="314160" data-d="660">discovering </span>
<span data-m="314820" data-d="300">what </span>
<span data-m="316500" data-d="240">the </span>
<span data-m="316830" data-d="430">NSA </span>
<span data-m="317260" data-d="80">and </span>
<span data-m="317340" data-d="90">the </span>
<span data-m="317430" data-d="360">US </span>
<span data-m="317790" data-d="150">has </span>
<span data-m="317940" data-d="120">been </span>
<span data-m="318060" data-d="270">doing, </span>
<span data-m="318330" data-d="90">and </span>
<span data-m="318420" data-d="90">what </span>
<span data-m="318510" data-d="720">GCHQ </span>
<span data-m="319230" data-d="210">here </span>
<span data-m="319440" data-d="120">has </span>
<span data-m="319560" data-d="150">been </span>
<span data-m="319710" data-d="420">doing. </span>
</p>
<p>
<span data-m="320370" data-d="0" class="speaker">Jason: </span>
<span data-m="320370" data-d="150">If </span>
<span data-m="320520" data-d="150">you </span>
<span data-m="320670" data-d="180">can </span>
<span data-m="320850" data-d="390">build </span>
<span data-m="321730" data-d="30">a </span>
<span data-m="321780" data-d="480">sneaky </span>
<span data-m="322260" data-d="420">feature </span>
<span data-m="322680" data-d="210">into </span>
<span data-m="322890" data-d="60">a </span>
<span data-m="322950" data-d="600">device, </span>
<span data-m="323820" data-d="270">and </span>
<span data-m="324150" data-d="150">you </span>
<span data-m="324300" data-d="390">decide </span>
<span data-m="324690" data-d="230">not </span>
<span data-m="324930" data-d="245">to </span>
<span data-m="325175" data-d="122">tell </span>
<span data-m="325297" data-d="61">the </span>
<span data-m="325358" data-d="30">user </span>
<span data-m="325388" data-d="30">you </span>
<span data-m="325800" data-d="300">decide </span>
<span data-m="326100" data-d="120">to </span>
<span data-m="326220" data-d="150">kind </span>
<span data-m="326370" data-d="90">of </span>
<span data-m="326460" data-d="270">break </span>
<span data-m="326730" data-d="120">the </span>
<span data-m="326850" data-d="270">law </span>
<span data-m="327130" data-d="185">a </span>
<span data-m="327315" data-d="185">bit, </span>
<span data-m="327770" data-d="280">certainly </span>
<span data-m="328050" data-d="140">in </span>
<span data-m="328190" data-d="140">data </span>
<span data-m="328390" data-d="400">protection </span>
<span data-m="328790" data-d="290">terms, </span>
<span data-m="329870" data-d="210">theres </span>
<span data-m="330090" data-d="60">a </span>
<span data-m="330150" data-d="270">real </span>
<span data-m="330420" data-d="270">risk </span>
<span data-m="330690" data-d="120">that </span>
<span data-m="330810" data-d="50">it </span>
<span data-m="330860" data-d="100">will </span>
<span data-m="330950" data-d="160">get </span>
<span data-m="331110" data-d="330">found </span>
<span data-m="331440" data-d="210">out. </span>
</p>
<p>
<span data-m="331920" data-d="0" class="speaker">Doc: </span>
<span data-m="331920" data-d="180">This </span>
<span data-m="332100" data-d="150">is </span>
<span data-m="332640" data-d="90">a </span>
<span data-m="332730" data-d="450">power </span>
<span data-m="333180" data-d="180">we </span>
<span data-m="333360" data-d="180">can </span>
<span data-m="333540" data-d="240">use </span>
<span data-m="333780" data-d="180">for </span>
<span data-m="333960" data-d="180">good </span>
<span data-m="334140" data-d="180">or </span>
<span data-m="334350" data-d="420">evil </span>
<span data-m="334770" data-d="120">and </span>
<span data-m="334890" data-d="480">probably </span>
<span data-m="335370" data-d="280">both, </span>
<span data-m="336360" data-d="180">but </span>
<span data-m="336540" data-d="270">we, </span>
<span data-m="337010" data-d="180">it's </span>
<span data-m="337260" data-d="510">present </span>
<span data-m="337770" data-d="120">in </span>
<span data-m="337890" data-d="120">the </span>
<span data-m="338010" data-d="360">world </span>
<span data-m="338370" data-d="390">now </span>
<span data-m="338820" data-d="180">and </span>
<span data-m="339000" data-d="240">we </span>
<span data-m="339240" data-d="330">have </span>
<span data-m="339570" data-d="120">to </span>
<span data-m="339690" data-d="390">figure </span>
<span data-m="340080" data-d="150">out </span>
<span data-m="340230" data-d="120">how </span>
<span data-m="340350" data-d="90">to </span>
<span data-m="340440" data-d="270">use </span>
<span data-m="340710" data-d="40">it. </span>
</p>
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