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<p><span class="speaker" data-m="100" data-d="0">Hanan Elmasu: </span><span data-m="100" data-d="270">I'm </span><span data-m="390" data-d="410">so </span><span data-m="820" data-d="400">happy </span><span data-m="1250" data-d="129">to </span><span data-m="1380" data-d="320">welcome </span><span data-m="1700" data-d="199">you </span><span data-m="1900" data-d="189">all </span><span data-m="2120" data-d="520">today </span><span data-m="3260" data-d="129">into </span><span data-m="3390" data-d="169">all </span><span data-m="3560" data-d="100">of </span><span data-m="3660" data-d="89">our </span><span data-m="3750" data-d="229">living </span><span data-m="3980" data-d="340">rooms </span><span data-m="4320" data-d="500">across </span><span data-m="4830" data-d="190">the </span><span data-m="5550" data-d="419">world </span><span data-m="6510" data-d="209">to </span><span data-m="6730" data-d="259">talk </span><span data-m="7000" data-d="379">about </span><span data-m="7470" data-d="320">a </span><span data-m="7870" data-d="430">program </span><span data-m="8300" data-d="130">that </span><span data-m="8440" data-d="169">is </span><span data-m="8620" data-d="279">very </span><span data-m="8900" data-d="220">dear </span><span data-m="9120" data-d="89">to </span><span data-m="9220" data-d="210">my </span><span data-m="9431" data-d="349">heart, </span><span data-m="9849" data-d="269">the </span><span data-m="10130" data-d="369">Ford </span><span data-m="10500" data-d="29">and </span><span data-m="10650" data-d="380">Mozilla </span><span data-m="11059" data-d="199">Tech </span><span data-m="11259" data-d="119">and </span><span data-m="11380" data-d="429">Society </span><span data-m="11809" data-d="419">Fellowship </span><span data-m="12240" data-d="419">program. </span><span data-m="13400" data-d="279">My </span><span data-m="13679" data-d="250">name </span><span data-m="13929" data-d="210">is </span><span data-m="14150" data-d="289">Hanan </span><span data-m="14440" data-d="100">Elmasu, </span><span data-m="14541" data-d="100">and </span><span data-m="14642" data-d="70">I'm </span><span data-m="15330" data-d="99">the </span><span data-m="15429" data-d="509">director </span><span data-m="15950" data-d="129">of </span><span data-m="16930" data-d="39">the </span><span data-m="16969" data-d="250">Mozilla </span><span data-m="17219" data-d="460">Foundation </span><span data-m="17719" data-d="829">Fellowships </span><span data-m="18600" data-d="100">and </span><span data-m="18701" data-d="100">Awards </span><span data-m="18802" data-d="440">program, </span><span data-m="19243" data-d="230">and </span><span data-m="19474" data-d="199">I'll </span><span data-m="19674" data-d="149">be </span><span data-m="19824" data-d="199">your </span><span data-m="20024" data-d="190">co </span><span data-m="20215" data-d="280">host </span><span data-m="20496" data-d="100">for </span><span data-m="20597" data-d="170">this </span><span data-m="20768" data-d="699">conversation </span><span data-m="21890" data-d="660">alongside </span><span data-m="22550" data-d="390">someone </span><span data-m="22940" data-d="140">I </span><span data-m="23080" data-d="449">suspect </span><span data-m="23530" data-d="219">many </span><span data-m="23750" data-d="59">of </span><span data-m="23810" data-d="100">you </span><span data-m="23910" data-d="359">already </span><span data-m="24270" data-d="370">know </span><span data-m="24780" data-d="100">Alberto </span><span data-m="24881" data-d="609">Cerda </span><span data-m="25620" data-d="390">Silva, </span><span data-m="26470" data-d="289">who's </span><span data-m="26759" data-d="269">the </span><span data-m="27059" data-d="320">program </span><span data-m="27380" data-d="370">officer </span><span data-m="27759" data-d="79">at </span><span data-m="27840" data-d="320">Ford's </span><span data-m="28179" data-d="300">Tech </span><span data-m="28509" data-d="30">and </span><span data-m="28540" data-d="390">Society </span><span data-m="28931" data-d="500">program. </span><span data-m="30360" data-d="370">And </span><span data-m="30809" data-d="410">together </span><span data-m="31219" data-d="160">with </span><span data-m="31380" data-d="179">our </span><span data-m="31559" data-d="250">four </span><span data-m="31809" data-d="479">panelists </span><span data-m="32290" data-d="299">today, </span><span data-m="32589" data-d="240">we're </span><span data-m="32860" data-d="130">going </span><span data-m="32990" data-d="109">to </span><span data-m="33100" data-d="270">take </span><span data-m="33370" data-d="320">you </span><span data-m="34330" data-d="100">on </span><span data-m="34431" data-d="20">a </span><span data-m="34452" data-d="229">little </span><span data-m="34682" data-d="490">journey </span><span data-m="35173" data-d="200">of </span><span data-m="35374" data-d="310">this </span><span data-m="35685" data-d="429">unique </span><span data-m="36119" data-d="630">partnership </span><span data-m="36790" data-d="130">to </span><span data-m="36920" data-d="280">place </span><span data-m="37230" data-d="560">technology </span><span data-m="37790" data-d="700">strategist </span><span data-m="38810" data-d="179">and </span><span data-m="38990" data-d="219">civil </span><span data-m="39210" data-d="439">society </span><span data-m="39650" data-d="780">organizations </span><span data-m="40500" data-d="409">across </span><span data-m="40910" data-d="280">different </span><span data-m="41190" data-d="320">parts </span><span data-m="41510" data-d="39">of </span><span data-m="41560" data-d="140">the </span><span data-m="41700" data-d="399">world. </span></p>
<p><span class="speaker" data-m="43070" data-d="0">Hanan: </span><span data-m="43070" data-d="240">The </span><span data-m="43340" data-d="229">Tech </span><span data-m="43570" data-d="119">and </span><span data-m="43690" data-d="439">Society </span><span data-m="44130" data-d="560">program </span><span data-m="44690" data-d="229">was </span><span data-m="44929" data-d="409">launched </span><span data-m="45340" data-d="109">in </span><span data-m="45469" data-d="289">2019 </span><span data-m="46299" data-d="289">with </span><span data-m="47000" data-d="229">really </span><span data-m="47230" data-d="280">one </span><span data-m="47530" data-d="630">overarching </span><span data-m="48179" data-d="340">aim, </span><span data-m="48599" data-d="219">and </span><span data-m="48820" data-d="299">that's </span><span data-m="49160" data-d="149">to </span><span data-m="49309" data-d="270">break </span><span data-m="49580" data-d="210">down </span><span data-m="49799" data-d="109">the </span><span data-m="49920" data-d="490">barriers </span><span data-m="50410" data-d="320">between </span><span data-m="50730" data-d="820">technology </span><span data-m="51910" data-d="100">and </span><span data-m="52011" data-d="189">the </span><span data-m="52201" data-d="340">social </span><span data-m="52542" data-d="369">justice </span><span data-m="52912" data-d="390">issues </span><span data-m="53303" data-d="130">that </span><span data-m="53434" data-d="149">we </span><span data-m="53584" data-d="159">all </span><span data-m="53744" data-d="200">care </span><span data-m="53945" data-d="189">so </span><span data-m="54135" data-d="359">deeply </span><span data-m="54495" data-d="340">for. </span><span data-m="55490" data-d="189">And </span><span data-m="55680" data-d="100">it </span><span data-m="55780" data-d="179">was </span><span data-m="55960" data-d="329">really </span><span data-m="56290" data-d="109">a </span><span data-m="56550" data-d="829">recognition </span><span data-m="58550" data-d="79">that </span><span data-m="58630" data-d="109">the </span><span data-m="58740" data-d="289">two </span><span data-m="59110" data-d="350">no </span><span data-m="59460" data-d="299">longer </span><span data-m="59769" data-d="259">really </span><span data-m="60030" data-d="210">live </span><span data-m="60240" data-d="420">apart </span><span data-m="60680" data-d="170">if </span><span data-m="60850" data-d="100">we </span><span data-m="60950" data-d="229">want </span><span data-m="61180" data-d="100">to </span><span data-m="61280" data-d="350">truly </span><span data-m="61630" data-d="409">confront </span><span data-m="62050" data-d="700">inequality, </span><span data-m="63480" data-d="299">data </span><span data-m="63780" data-d="159">and </span><span data-m="63940" data-d="640">technology </span><span data-m="65289" data-d="100">has </span><span data-m="65390" data-d="100">become </span><span data-m="65491" data-d="100">such </span><span data-m="65592" data-d="49">an </span><span data-m="65642" data-d="480">integral </span><span data-m="66123" data-d="390">part </span><span data-m="66514" data-d="19">in </span><span data-m="68090" data-d="750">strengthening </span><span data-m="69170" data-d="120">the </span><span data-m="69291" data-d="250">work </span><span data-m="69542" data-d="109">of </span><span data-m="69652" data-d="239">civil </span><span data-m="69892" data-d="640">society, </span><span data-m="70850" data-d="129">but </span><span data-m="71090" data-d="100">have </span><span data-m="71191" data-d="189">also </span><span data-m="71381" data-d="329">become </span><span data-m="71711" data-d="69">a </span><span data-m="71781" data-d="379">part </span><span data-m="72161" data-d="159">of </span><span data-m="72321" data-d="129">the </span><span data-m="72451" data-d="719">infrastructure </span><span data-m="73171" data-d="170">that </span><span data-m="73342" data-d="629">reinforces </span><span data-m="73972" data-d="709">inequality. </span><span data-m="75060" data-d="209">And </span><span data-m="75300" data-d="170">our </span><span data-m="75470" data-d="450">program, </span><span data-m="75920" data-d="129">is </span><span data-m="76050" data-d="269">really </span><span data-m="76330" data-d="329">geared </span><span data-m="76660" data-d="409">towards </span><span data-m="77110" data-d="579">integrating </span><span data-m="77690" data-d="90">and </span><span data-m="77780" data-d="530">approach </span><span data-m="78310" data-d="799">technology </span><span data-m="79550" data-d="100">that </span><span data-m="79651" data-d="299">allows </span><span data-m="79951" data-d="780">organizations </span><span data-m="80732" data-d="19">to </span><span data-m="80830" data-d="469">harness </span><span data-m="81330" data-d="30">its </span><span data-m="81429" data-d="489">power </span><span data-m="82080" data-d="219">while </span><span data-m="82300" data-d="99">at </span><span data-m="82400" data-d="90">the </span><span data-m="82490" data-d="319">same </span><span data-m="82809" data-d="420">time </span><span data-m="83289" data-d="560">incorporate </span><span data-m="83849" data-d="579">strategies </span><span data-m="84450" data-d="109">to </span><span data-m="84559" data-d="390">address </span><span data-m="84950" data-d="140">its </span><span data-m="85090" data-d="640">potential </span><span data-m="85910" data-d="500">harms. </span><span data-m="87480" data-d="439">And </span><span data-m="88139" data-d="530">despite </span><span data-m="88670" data-d="379">delays </span><span data-m="89049" data-d="140">in </span><span data-m="89190" data-d="299">launching </span><span data-m="89490" data-d="79">the </span><span data-m="89570" data-d="480">program </span><span data-m="90051" data-d="99">in </span><span data-m="90150" data-d="60">the </span><span data-m="90211" data-d="159">middle </span><span data-m="90371" data-d="120">of </span><span data-m="90492" data-d="60">a </span><span data-m="90580" data-d="629">pandemic, </span><span data-m="91280" data-d="109">a </span><span data-m="91390" data-d="459">challenge, </span><span data-m="91850" data-d="239">I'm </span><span data-m="92090" data-d="349">sure </span><span data-m="92450" data-d="180">all </span><span data-m="92630" data-d="19">of </span><span data-m="92890" data-d="100">you </span><span data-m="92991" data-d="140">have </span><span data-m="93132" data-d="170">come </span><span data-m="93303" data-d="120">up </span><span data-m="93424" data-d="349">against </span><span data-m="93840" data-d="180">one </span><span data-m="94020" data-d="180">way </span><span data-m="94200" data-d="19">or </span><span data-m="94220" data-d="469">another. </span></p>
<p><span class="speaker" data-m="95370" data-d="0">Hanan: </span><span data-m="95370" data-d="180">We </span><span data-m="95550" data-d="349">began </span><span data-m="95900" data-d="109">in </span><span data-m="96010" data-d="469">September </span><span data-m="96480" data-d="379">last </span><span data-m="96860" data-d="349">year, </span><span data-m="97430" data-d="430">partnering </span><span data-m="97860" data-d="760">technologists </span><span data-m="98620" data-d="189">and </span><span data-m="98809" data-d="219">civil </span><span data-m="99030" data-d="459">society </span><span data-m="99490" data-d="890">organizations </span><span data-m="100380" data-d="189">for </span><span data-m="100570" data-d="49">a </span><span data-m="100620" data-d="349">period </span><span data-m="100969" data-d="150">of </span><span data-m="101120" data-d="250">two </span><span data-m="101370" data-d="530">years </span><span data-m="102380" data-d="269">in </span><span data-m="102690" data-d="579">Kenya, </span><span data-m="103320" data-d="560">Lebanon, </span><span data-m="103880" data-d="569">Jordan, </span><span data-m="104539" data-d="519">India, </span><span data-m="105070" data-d="510">Brazil </span><span data-m="105630" data-d="170">and </span><span data-m="105801" data-d="629">Mexico. </span><span data-m="107100" data-d="239">And </span><span data-m="107340" data-d="189">while </span><span data-m="107529" data-d="159">we're </span><span data-m="107690" data-d="310">still </span><span data-m="108000" data-d="90">in </span><span data-m="108090" data-d="109">the </span><span data-m="108199" data-d="189">first </span><span data-m="108390" data-d="209">six </span><span data-m="108600" data-d="180">months </span><span data-m="108890" data-d="680">program, </span><span data-m="110220" data-d="189">we've </span><span data-m="110410" data-d="299">already </span><span data-m="110720" data-d="140">learned </span><span data-m="111030" data-d="49">a </span><span data-m="111080" data-d="340">lot </span><span data-m="111500" data-d="159">from </span><span data-m="111660" data-d="90">the </span><span data-m="111940" data-d="480">experiences </span><span data-m="112420" data-d="150">of </span><span data-m="112570" data-d="140">our </span><span data-m="112710" data-d="390">fellows </span><span data-m="113100" data-d="69">and </span><span data-m="113220" data-d="99">our </span><span data-m="113330" data-d="319">host </span><span data-m="113650" data-d="840">organizations, </span><span data-m="114940" data-d="170">and </span><span data-m="115110" data-d="290">today </span><span data-m="115400" data-d="109">is </span><span data-m="115510" data-d="200">really </span><span data-m="115710" data-d="170">just </span><span data-m="115880" data-d="99">an </span><span data-m="115980" data-d="599">opportunity </span><span data-m="116580" data-d="69">to </span><span data-m="116650" data-d="310">share </span><span data-m="116960" data-d="159">some </span><span data-m="117120" data-d="99">of </span><span data-m="117220" data-d="170">those </span><span data-m="117391" data-d="659">experiences </span><span data-m="118050" data-d="170">with </span><span data-m="118221" data-d="209">you. </span><span data-m="119980" data-d="359">Joining </span><span data-m="120340" data-d="209">us </span><span data-m="120630" data-d="209">on </span><span data-m="120849" data-d="90">the </span><span data-m="120940" data-d="480">panel </span><span data-m="121450" data-d="159">are </span><span data-m="121610" data-d="69">a </span><span data-m="121679" data-d="609">combination </span><span data-m="122289" data-d="129">of </span><span data-m="122420" data-d="200">tech </span><span data-m="122620" data-d="109">and </span><span data-m="122730" data-d="459">society </span><span data-m="123200" data-d="469">fellows </span><span data-m="123670" data-d="159">and </span><span data-m="123830" data-d="629">representatives </span><span data-m="124459" data-d="19">of </span><span data-m="124660" data-d="310">host </span><span data-m="125000" data-d="930">organizations </span><span data-m="125940" data-d="319">from </span><span data-m="126270" data-d="689">Brazil, </span><span data-m="127290" data-d="579">Mexico, </span><span data-m="127870" data-d="360">Kenya </span><span data-m="128231" data-d="110">and </span><span data-m="128342" data-d="539">Lebanon, </span><span data-m="129310" data-d="340">and </span><span data-m="129699" data-d="199">I'm </span><span data-m="129900" data-d="180">going </span><span data-m="130080" data-d="99">to </span><span data-m="130180" data-d="280">invite </span><span data-m="130500" data-d="180">each </span><span data-m="130680" data-d="110">of </span><span data-m="130791" data-d="139">them </span><span data-m="130930" data-d="110">to </span><span data-m="131041" data-d="439">introduce </span><span data-m="131480" data-d="430">themselves </span><span data-m="131910" data-d="129">and </span><span data-m="132040" data-d="280">speak </span><span data-m="132320" data-d="50">a </span><span data-m="132370" data-d="229">little </span><span data-m="132600" data-d="180">bit </span><span data-m="132850" data-d="180">about </span><span data-m="133030" data-d="169">their </span><span data-m="133210" data-d="479">work. </span><span data-m="134010" data-d="280">But </span><span data-m="134300" data-d="469">before </span><span data-m="134770" data-d="90">I </span><span data-m="134860" data-d="240">do </span><span data-m="135101" data-d="370">that, </span><span data-m="135520" data-d="139">I </span><span data-m="135660" data-d="330">wanted </span><span data-m="135990" data-d="110">to </span><span data-m="136101" data-d="159">just </span><span data-m="136260" data-d="150">let </span><span data-m="136410" data-d="150">you </span><span data-m="136561" data-d="169">know </span><span data-m="136730" data-d="199">that </span><span data-m="136929" data-d="150">we're </span><span data-m="137080" data-d="500">recording </span><span data-m="137580" data-d="150">this </span><span data-m="137740" data-d="439">session, </span><span data-m="138360" data-d="319">after </span><span data-m="138679" data-d="199">which </span><span data-m="138880" data-d="169">will </span><span data-m="139049" data-d="199">add </span><span data-m="139250" data-d="509">captions </span><span data-m="139759" data-d="99">in </span><span data-m="139860" data-d="379">Spanish </span><span data-m="140290" data-d="60">and </span><span data-m="140351" data-d="780">Portuguese, </span><span data-m="141589" data-d="259">which </span><span data-m="141849" data-d="139">will </span><span data-m="141990" data-d="289">share </span><span data-m="142279" data-d="169">with </span><span data-m="142459" data-d="199">all </span><span data-m="142660" data-d="99">of </span><span data-m="142760" data-d="129">you </span><span data-m="142889" data-d="240">once </span><span data-m="143129" data-d="120">it's </span><span data-m="143250" data-d="569">complete. </span></p>
<p><span class="speaker" data-m="144400" data-d="0">Hanan: </span><span data-m="144400" data-d="20">The </span><span data-m="145980" data-d="439">structure </span><span data-m="146420" data-d="139">of </span><span data-m="146560" data-d="129">the </span><span data-m="146710" data-d="469">discussion </span><span data-m="147180" data-d="180">is </span><span data-m="148000" data-d="100">we'll </span><span data-m="148101" data-d="120">kick </span><span data-m="148222" data-d="139">off </span><span data-m="148362" data-d="120">with </span><span data-m="148483" data-d="100">the </span><span data-m="148584" data-d="250">first </span><span data-m="148835" data-d="259">half </span><span data-m="149095" data-d="150">hour </span><span data-m="149246" data-d="590">discussion </span><span data-m="149837" data-d="129">with </span><span data-m="149967" data-d="99">our </span><span data-m="150067" data-d="590">Panelists </span><span data-m="150658" data-d="240">and </span><span data-m="150899" data-d="189">then </span><span data-m="151089" data-d="169">give </span><span data-m="151259" data-d="189">you </span><span data-m="151449" data-d="120">an </span><span data-m="151570" data-d="599">opportunity </span><span data-m="152170" data-d="90">to </span><span data-m="152261" data-d="250">ask </span><span data-m="152512" data-d="490">questions. </span><span data-m="153620" data-d="360">So </span><span data-m="153980" data-d="240">feel </span><span data-m="154221" data-d="189">free </span><span data-m="154410" data-d="110">to </span><span data-m="154520" data-d="250">post </span><span data-m="154770" data-d="449">questions </span><span data-m="155410" data-d="100">in </span><span data-m="155511" data-d="30">the </span><span data-m="155542" data-d="319">chat </span><span data-m="155862" data-d="330">throughout </span><span data-m="156193" data-d="99">the </span><span data-m="156293" data-d="469">meeting. </span><span data-m="157580" data-d="550">Alberto </span><span data-m="158130" data-d="150">will </span><span data-m="158280" data-d="110">be </span><span data-m="158391" data-d="150">your </span><span data-m="158549" data-d="349">host </span><span data-m="158900" data-d="150">through </span><span data-m="159051" data-d="180">the </span><span data-m="159280" data-d="199">Q </span><span data-m="159480" data-d="60">and </span><span data-m="159610" data-d="90">A </span><span data-m="159740" data-d="330">session, </span><span data-m="160070" data-d="110">so </span><span data-m="160180" data-d="110">I'll </span><span data-m="160291" data-d="289">pass </span><span data-m="160581" data-d="159">off </span><span data-m="160740" data-d="50">to </span><span data-m="160799" data-d="319">him </span><span data-m="161129" data-d="479">after </span><span data-m="161920" data-d="129">we </span><span data-m="162049" data-d="169">have </span><span data-m="162219" data-d="120">our </span><span data-m="162340" data-d="330">initial </span><span data-m="162670" data-d="590">discussion. </span><span data-m="163670" data-d="379">And </span><span data-m="164120" data-d="210">if </span><span data-m="164330" data-d="99">our </span><span data-m="164430" data-d="500">technology </span><span data-m="164930" data-d="219">works </span><span data-m="165170" data-d="539">properly, </span><span data-m="165710" data-d="169">will </span><span data-m="165880" data-d="400">switch </span><span data-m="166280" data-d="229">to </span><span data-m="166510" data-d="129">a </span><span data-m="166660" data-d="340">full </span><span data-m="167070" data-d="300">panel </span><span data-m="167370" data-d="280">view </span><span data-m="167650" data-d="169">so </span><span data-m="167820" data-d="139">we </span><span data-m="167960" data-d="139">can </span><span data-m="168100" data-d="129">all </span><span data-m="168230" data-d="189">see </span><span data-m="168420" data-d="180">each </span><span data-m="168600" data-d="330">other. </span><span data-m="169270" data-d="240">So </span><span data-m="169510" data-d="180">if </span><span data-m="169690" data-d="110">you </span><span data-m="169800" data-d="270">don't </span><span data-m="170070" data-d="159">want </span><span data-m="170240" data-d="90">to </span><span data-m="170330" data-d="199">show </span><span data-m="170530" data-d="180">your </span><span data-m="170710" data-d="289">face </span><span data-m="171000" data-d="99">on </span><span data-m="171099" data-d="99">the </span><span data-m="171200" data-d="469">recording, </span><span data-m="171670" data-d="310">please </span><span data-m="171980" data-d="229">do </span><span data-m="172210" data-d="319">switch </span><span data-m="172530" data-d="199">off </span><span data-m="172740" data-d="199">your </span><span data-m="172950" data-d="400">video. </span><span data-m="174550" data-d="189">That's </span><span data-m="174740" data-d="129">it </span><span data-m="174880" data-d="110">for </span><span data-m="174990" data-d="300">me. </span><span data-m="175809" data-d="400">I'm </span><span data-m="176559" data-d="189">going </span><span data-m="176750" data-d="90">to </span><span data-m="176841" data-d="259">pass </span><span data-m="177101" data-d="110">it </span><span data-m="177212" data-d="229">on </span><span data-m="177442" data-d="139">to </span><span data-m="177589" data-d="520">Brian </span><span data-m="178150" data-d="99">to </span><span data-m="178250" data-d="210">kick </span><span data-m="178461" data-d="250">off </span><span data-m="178760" data-d="169">our </span><span data-m="178930" data-d="860">introductions. </span><span data-m="180289" data-d="159">So, </span><span data-m="180450" data-d="289">Brian, </span><span data-m="180750" data-d="90">if </span><span data-m="180870" data-d="139">you </span><span data-m="181010" data-d="300">can </span><span data-m="181870" data-d="189">let </span><span data-m="182060" data-d="199">us </span><span data-m="182260" data-d="199">know </span><span data-m="182460" data-d="199">who </span><span data-m="182660" data-d="169">you </span><span data-m="182830" data-d="349">are, </span><span data-m="183570" data-d="250">where </span><span data-m="183820" data-d="170">you're </span><span data-m="184000" data-d="290">based </span><span data-m="184290" data-d="19">in </span><span data-m="184310" data-d="30">with </span><span data-m="184580" data-d="210">which </span><span data-m="184790" data-d="780">organization </span><span data-m="185640" data-d="310">and </span><span data-m="186010" data-d="169">give </span><span data-m="186180" data-d="129">us </span><span data-m="186310" data-d="60">a </span><span data-m="186370" data-d="229">little </span><span data-m="186600" data-d="310">glimpse </span><span data-m="186910" data-d="240">into </span><span data-m="187150" data-d="99">the </span><span data-m="187250" data-d="219">work </span><span data-m="187470" data-d="129">you're </span><span data-m="187600" data-d="310">doing </span><span data-m="187920" data-d="120">and </span><span data-m="188040" data-d="90">if </span><span data-m="188130" data-d="39">you </span><span data-m="188349" data-d="100">can </span><span data-m="188450" data-d="159">just </span><span data-m="188610" data-d="259">tag </span><span data-m="188870" data-d="90">the </span><span data-m="188961" data-d="240">next </span><span data-m="189202" data-d="319">person </span><span data-m="189522" data-d="219">once </span><span data-m="189742" data-d="139">you're </span><span data-m="189882" data-d="300">done. </span><span data-m="190580" data-d="400">Thanks. </span></p>
<p><span class="speaker" data-m="192969" data-d="0">Brian Obilo: </span><span data-m="192969" data-d="210">Thank </span><span data-m="193179" data-d="69">you </span><span data-m="193250" data-d="250">very </span><span data-m="193500" data-d="259">much </span><span data-m="193759" data-d="430">Hanan. </span><span data-m="194630" data-d="229">My </span><span data-m="194860" data-d="210">name </span><span data-m="195070" data-d="280">is </span><span data-m="195360" data-d="340">Brian </span><span data-m="196190" data-d="100">Obilo. </span><span data-m="196291" data-d="129">I </span><span data-m="196421" data-d="199">am </span><span data-m="196621" data-d="360">based </span><span data-m="196982" data-d="219">in </span><span data-m="197209" data-d="329">Nairobi, </span><span data-m="197539" data-d="379">Kenya, </span><span data-m="198880" data-d="100">and </span><span data-m="198981" data-d="240">I'm </span><span data-m="199222" data-d="90">a </span><span data-m="199313" data-d="219">Tech </span><span data-m="199533" data-d="159">and </span><span data-m="199693" data-d="479">Society </span><span data-m="200173" data-d="379">Fellow </span><span data-m="200553" data-d="219">who </span><span data-m="200773" data-d="289">is </span><span data-m="201063" data-d="250">very </span><span data-m="201314" data-d="300">very </span><span data-m="201615" data-d="569">committed </span><span data-m="202185" data-d="300">to </span><span data-m="202486" data-d="610">fostering </span><span data-m="203097" data-d="360">the </span><span data-m="203950" data-d="789">operational </span><span data-m="204740" data-d="639">resilience </span><span data-m="205380" data-d="229">of </span><span data-m="205630" data-d="300">civil </span><span data-m="205930" data-d="530">society </span><span data-m="206460" data-d="930">organizations </span><span data-m="207420" data-d="229">by </span><span data-m="207690" data-d="699">advancing </span><span data-m="208400" data-d="9">cybersecurity, </span><span data-m="209240" data-d="449">capacity </span><span data-m="209690" data-d="490">building </span><span data-m="210730" data-d="300">and </span><span data-m="211030" data-d="729">promoting </span><span data-m="211780" data-d="310">cyber </span><span data-m="212110" data-d="789">awareness </span><span data-m="212980" data-d="229">and </span><span data-m="213210" data-d="500">resilience </span><span data-m="213710" data-d="680">approaches. </span><span data-m="214469" data-d="210">So </span><span data-m="214680" data-d="569">currently </span><span data-m="215299" data-d="139">I'm </span><span data-m="215440" data-d="490">embedded </span><span data-m="215930" data-d="199">at </span><span data-m="217039" data-d="9">Katiba </span><span data-m="217050" data-d="590">Institute, </span><span data-m="217960" data-d="259">where </span><span data-m="218220" data-d="120">we </span><span data-m="218340" data-d="139">are </span><span data-m="218480" data-d="259">also </span><span data-m="218740" data-d="810">currently </span><span data-m="219860" data-d="650">exploring </span><span data-m="220510" data-d="469">multiple </span><span data-m="220980" data-d="710">opportunities </span><span data-m="221690" data-d="180">to </span><span data-m="221900" data-d="560">advance </span><span data-m="222500" data-d="210">the </span><span data-m="222820" data-d="199">rule </span><span data-m="223020" data-d="189">of </span><span data-m="223880" data-d="370">law </span><span data-m="224700" data-d="479">by </span><span data-m="225190" data-d="789">leveraging </span><span data-m="226020" data-d="759">technology </span><span data-m="227300" data-d="240">with </span><span data-m="227540" data-d="330">the </span><span data-m="227880" data-d="520">general </span><span data-m="228460" data-d="330">aim </span><span data-m="228849" data-d="300">of </span><span data-m="229580" data-d="580">enhancing </span><span data-m="230170" data-d="120">the </span><span data-m="230780" data-d="100">safety </span><span data-m="230881" data-d="60">and </span><span data-m="230942" data-d="659">security </span><span data-m="231602" data-d="219">of </span><span data-m="231822" data-d="370">human </span><span data-m="232193" data-d="210">rights </span><span data-m="232404" data-d="729">defenders </span><span data-m="233670" data-d="479">and </span><span data-m="234200" data-d="719">everyday </span><span data-m="234940" data-d="759">citizens. </span><span data-m="236150" data-d="270">And </span><span data-m="236420" data-d="439">before </span><span data-m="236900" data-d="199">I </span><span data-m="237100" data-d="669">joined </span><span data-m="237780" data-d="9">Mozilla, </span><span data-m="238910" data-d="120">I </span><span data-m="239030" data-d="289">used </span><span data-m="239340" data-d="169">to </span><span data-m="239950" data-d="100">work </span><span data-m="240051" data-d="20">as </span><span data-m="240260" data-d="100">a </span><span data-m="240361" data-d="100">cyber </span><span data-m="240462" data-d="500">security </span><span data-m="240963" data-d="590">engineer </span><span data-m="241830" data-d="199">and </span><span data-m="242030" data-d="300">digital </span><span data-m="242330" data-d="500">security </span><span data-m="242830" data-d="500">trainer </span><span data-m="243380" data-d="199">at </span><span data-m="243770" data-d="250">eKRAAL </span><span data-m="244020" data-d="500">Innovation </span><span data-m="244530" data-d="349">Hub </span><span data-m="245130" data-d="180">right </span><span data-m="245460" data-d="100">here </span><span data-m="245561" data-d="169">in </span><span data-m="245731" data-d="490">Nairobi. </span><span data-m="246740" data-d="289">So </span><span data-m="247049" data-d="169">I'm </span><span data-m="247219" data-d="210">going </span><span data-m="247429" data-d="110">to </span><span data-m="247540" data-d="229">pass </span><span data-m="247770" data-d="189">it </span><span data-m="248030" data-d="460">over </span><span data-m="248530" data-d="449">to </span><span data-m="249460" data-d="159">the </span><span data-m="249620" data-d="180">Tarcizio </span><span data-m="250629" data-d="120">to </span><span data-m="250750" data-d="419">introduce </span><span data-m="251170" data-d="469">himself. </span></p>
<p><span class="speaker" data-m="252910" data-d="0">Tarcizio Silva: </span><span data-m="252910" data-d="229">Thank </span><span data-m="253140" data-d="69">you, </span><span data-m="253430" data-d="400">Brian. </span><span data-m="254180" data-d="250">Hi, </span><span data-m="254430" data-d="590">everyone. </span><span data-m="255290" data-d="469">It's </span><span data-m="255760" data-d="60">a </span><span data-m="255820" data-d="490">pleasure </span><span data-m="256310" data-d="149">to </span><span data-m="256480" data-d="160">be </span><span data-m="256640" data-d="290">here </span><span data-m="257220" data-d="19">to </span><span data-m="257500" data-d="250">share </span><span data-m="257750" data-d="60">a </span><span data-m="257829" data-d="290">little </span><span data-m="258120" data-d="470">about </span><span data-m="258780" data-d="209">our </span><span data-m="258990" data-d="430">work </span><span data-m="260139" data-d="100">at </span><span data-m="260240" data-d="180">the </span><span data-m="260421" data-d="629">fellowship. </span><span data-m="261570" data-d="199">My </span><span data-m="261769" data-d="189">name </span><span data-m="261959" data-d="139">is </span><span data-m="262099" data-d="1079">Tarcizio </span><span data-m="263809" data-d="100">Silva. </span><span data-m="263910" data-d="209">I'm </span><span data-m="264120" data-d="339">a </span><span data-m="264759" data-d="100">Tech </span><span data-m="264860" data-d="79">and </span><span data-m="264940" data-d="490">Society </span><span data-m="265431" data-d="610">Fellow </span><span data-m="266680" data-d="60">at </span><span data-m="266910" data-d="550">Mozilla </span><span data-m="267599" data-d="689">currently, </span><span data-m="268389" data-d="379">I'm </span><span data-m="268799" data-d="589">embedded </span><span data-m="269510" data-d="220">in </span><span data-m="269890" data-d="689">Ação </span><span data-m="270630" data-d="129">Educativa </span><span data-m="271330" data-d="209">its </span><span data-m="271540" data-d="19">an </span><span data-m="271560" data-d="769">organization </span><span data-m="272340" data-d="250">that </span><span data-m="272600" data-d="689">defends </span><span data-m="273520" data-d="389">human </span><span data-m="273910" data-d="420">rights </span><span data-m="274340" data-d="300">here </span><span data-m="274640" data-d="100">in </span><span data-m="274750" data-d="509">Brazil, </span><span data-m="275780" data-d="920">especially </span><span data-m="276750" data-d="420">in </span><span data-m="277310" data-d="110">São </span><span data-m="277440" data-d="439">Paulo. </span><span data-m="278840" data-d="199">For </span><span data-m="279040" data-d="129">the </span><span data-m="279170" data-d="529">last </span><span data-m="279750" data-d="269">12 </span><span data-m="280090" data-d="449">years, </span><span data-m="280590" data-d="230">I've </span><span data-m="280820" data-d="250">been </span><span data-m="281070" data-d="550">working </span><span data-m="281719" data-d="180">in </span><span data-m="281900" data-d="120">the </span><span data-m="282020" data-d="339">media </span><span data-m="282360" data-d="709">industry </span><span data-m="283480" data-d="329">and </span><span data-m="284080" data-d="100">in </span><span data-m="284181" data-d="19">the </span><span data-m="284201" data-d="759">advertising </span><span data-m="284961" data-d="709">fields, </span><span data-m="285980" data-d="459">but </span><span data-m="286469" data-d="180">in </span><span data-m="286650" data-d="279">the </span><span data-m="286940" data-d="350">last </span><span data-m="287291" data-d="610">couple </span><span data-m="288359" data-d="100">or </span><span data-m="288460" data-d="100">two </span><span data-m="288561" data-d="490">years, </span><span data-m="289052" data-d="220">I've </span><span data-m="289950" data-d="340">been </span><span data-m="290290" data-d="730">producing </span><span data-m="291190" data-d="550">some </span><span data-m="291740" data-d="730">knowledge </span><span data-m="292520" data-d="230">and </span><span data-m="293010" data-d="100">trying </span><span data-m="293111" data-d="160">to </span><span data-m="293272" data-d="629">connect </span><span data-m="294140" data-d="250">with </span><span data-m="294390" data-d="290">civil </span><span data-m="295110" data-d="100">social </span><span data-m="295211" data-d="1149">organizations </span><span data-m="296630" data-d="509">around </span><span data-m="298110" data-d="9">algorithmic </span><span data-m="298120" data-d="709">justice, </span><span data-m="299020" data-d="829">especially </span><span data-m="299950" data-d="490">around </span><span data-m="300480" data-d="550">race </span><span data-m="301139" data-d="250">and </span><span data-m="301389" data-d="620">racism </span><span data-m="302110" data-d="149">in </span><span data-m="302259" data-d="420">Brazil. </span><span data-m="303270" data-d="379">So </span><span data-m="303650" data-d="69">in </span><span data-m="303719" data-d="100">Ação </span><span data-m="303939" data-d="730">Educativa, </span><span data-m="304829" data-d="129">with </span><span data-m="304979" data-d="189">the </span><span data-m="305359" data-d="100">support </span><span data-m="305460" data-d="100">of </span><span data-m="305561" data-d="410">Mozilla </span><span data-m="305972" data-d="410">of </span><span data-m="306383" data-d="970">coures, </span><span data-m="307670" data-d="230">we </span><span data-m="307900" data-d="170">are </span><span data-m="308070" data-d="329">going </span><span data-m="308680" data-d="100">to </span><span data-m="308781" data-d="730">connect </span><span data-m="309990" data-d="370">all </span><span data-m="310370" data-d="149">the </span><span data-m="310530" data-d="790">experience </span><span data-m="311350" data-d="269">of </span><span data-m="311620" data-d="89">the </span><span data-m="311710" data-d="240">host </span><span data-m="311950" data-d="730">organization </span><span data-m="312730" data-d="250">with </span><span data-m="313010" data-d="110">the </span><span data-m="313120" data-d="449">judicial </span><span data-m="313570" data-d="420">rights </span><span data-m="314020" data-d="910">organizations </span><span data-m="315270" data-d="240">in </span><span data-m="315510" data-d="550">Brazil, </span><span data-m="316720" data-d="769">especially </span><span data-m="317840" data-d="500">produce </span><span data-m="318600" data-d="389">research </span><span data-m="318990" data-d="560">project </span><span data-m="319860" data-d="720">and </span><span data-m="320620" data-d="379">content </span><span data-m="321000" data-d="19">to </span><span data-m="321870" data-d="599">support </span><span data-m="322709" data-d="240">public </span><span data-m="323020" data-d="410">school </span><span data-m="323430" data-d="670">teachers </span><span data-m="324559" data-d="250">and </span><span data-m="324810" data-d="209">how </span><span data-m="325020" data-d="230">they </span><span data-m="325289" data-d="430">can </span><span data-m="325750" data-d="540">discuss </span><span data-m="326320" data-d="730">technology </span><span data-m="327100" data-d="180">in </span><span data-m="327280" data-d="129">their </span><span data-m="327410" data-d="699">classrooms. </span><span data-m="328980" data-d="189">I'm </span><span data-m="329170" data-d="160">going </span><span data-m="329330" data-d="19">to </span><span data-m="329350" data-d="100">pass </span><span data-m="329451" data-d="100">to </span><span data-m="329552" data-d="1350">Giovanna. </span></p>
<p><span class="speaker" data-m="334540" data-d="0">Giovanna Salazar: </span><span data-m="334540" data-d="220">Thank </span><span data-m="334760" data-d="19">you </span><span data-m="336179" data-d="9">Tarcizio. </span><span data-m="336200" data-d="259">Hi, </span><span data-m="336460" data-d="439">everyone. </span><span data-m="336910" data-d="139">My </span><span data-m="337049" data-d="180">name </span><span data-m="337230" data-d="300">is </span><span data-m="337530" data-d="310">Giovanna </span><span data-m="338509" data-d="100">Salazar </span><span data-m="338610" data-d="430">and </span><span data-m="339041" data-d="139">I </span><span data-m="339181" data-d="180">am </span><span data-m="339362" data-d="490">currently </span><span data-m="339853" data-d="199">the </span><span data-m="340053" data-d="889">communications </span><span data-m="340943" data-d="740">coordinator </span><span data-m="342080" data-d="240">of </span><span data-m="342590" data-d="310">Mexican </span><span data-m="343070" data-d="410">feminist </span><span data-m="343480" data-d="769">organization </span><span data-m="344260" data-d="189">that </span><span data-m="344450" data-d="319">goes </span><span data-m="344770" data-d="180">by </span><span data-m="344950" data-d="110">the </span><span data-m="345060" data-d="319">name </span><span data-m="345550" data-d="279">of </span><span data-m="346190" data-d="100">EQUIS: </span><span data-m="346291" data-d="1370">Justicia </span><span data-m="347662" data-d="39">para </span><span data-m="347702" data-d="160">las </span><span data-m="348220" data-d="100">Mujeres </span><span data-m="348321" data-d="100">and </span><span data-m="348422" data-d="259">this </span><span data-m="348682" data-d="759">translates </span><span data-m="349442" data-d="449">as </span><span data-m="349892" data-d="410">EQUIS: </span><span data-m="350303" data-d="430">Justice </span><span data-m="350734" data-d="160">for </span><span data-m="350895" data-d="410">Women </span><span data-m="351790" data-d="550">and </span><span data-m="352349" data-d="250">we </span><span data-m="352599" data-d="160">are </span><span data-m="352760" data-d="610">devoted </span><span data-m="353400" data-d="379">to </span><span data-m="353830" data-d="689">transform </span><span data-m="354520" data-d="1060">institutions, </span><span data-m="355639" data-d="339">public </span><span data-m="355980" data-d="819">policies </span><span data-m="356839" data-d="310">and </span><span data-m="357150" data-d="420">women's </span><span data-m="357570" data-d="589">leadership </span><span data-m="358230" data-d="139">to </span><span data-m="358369" data-d="589">improve </span><span data-m="359500" data-d="449">access </span><span data-m="359949" data-d="120">to </span><span data-m="360070" data-d="490">justice </span><span data-m="360560" data-d="209">for </span><span data-m="360770" data-d="120">all </span><span data-m="360890" data-d="430">women. </span><span data-m="362670" data-d="129">I </span><span data-m="362800" data-d="199">guess </span><span data-m="363010" data-d="259">because </span><span data-m="363270" data-d="110">of </span><span data-m="363380" data-d="160">my </span><span data-m="363550" data-d="620">background </span><span data-m="364170" data-d="139">in </span><span data-m="364320" data-d="170">new </span><span data-m="364490" data-d="620">media </span><span data-m="365150" data-d="290">and </span><span data-m="365450" data-d="379">digital </span><span data-m="365870" data-d="600">culture, </span><span data-m="366540" data-d="199">and </span><span data-m="366740" data-d="290">also </span><span data-m="367030" data-d="470">because </span><span data-m="367500" data-d="79">I </span><span data-m="367590" data-d="300">have </span><span data-m="367890" data-d="410">worked </span><span data-m="368309" data-d="230">in </span><span data-m="368540" data-d="350">the </span><span data-m="368990" data-d="540">digital </span><span data-m="369530" data-d="529">rights </span><span data-m="370059" data-d="449">realm, </span><span data-m="371090" data-d="170">I </span><span data-m="371261" data-d="240">was </span><span data-m="371540" data-d="620">particularly </span><span data-m="372160" data-d="480">excited </span><span data-m="372650" data-d="149">that </span><span data-m="372840" data-d="240">we </span><span data-m="373080" data-d="189">at </span><span data-m="373309" data-d="670">EQUIS </span><span data-m="374389" data-d="100">were </span><span data-m="374490" data-d="100">given </span><span data-m="374591" data-d="250">this </span><span data-m="374842" data-d="389">amazing </span><span data-m="375232" data-d="540">opportunity </span><span data-m="375773" data-d="139">to </span><span data-m="375913" data-d="399">host </span><span data-m="376313" data-d="89">a </span><span data-m="376403" data-d="500">fellow </span><span data-m="376904" data-d="459">from </span><span data-m="377364" data-d="350">Ford </span><span data-m="377715" data-d="29">and </span><span data-m="378540" data-d="9">Mozilla's </span><span data-m="378560" data-d="329">Second </span><span data-m="378890" data-d="399">Society </span><span data-m="379290" data-d="519">program, </span><span data-m="380420" data-d="540">and </span><span data-m="381010" data-d="209">our </span><span data-m="381220" data-d="399">fellow </span><span data-m="382030" data-d="339">right </span><span data-m="382370" data-d="259">now </span><span data-m="382630" data-d="220">is </span><span data-m="382850" data-d="759">currently </span><span data-m="384010" data-d="389">building </span><span data-m="384400" data-d="69">a </span><span data-m="384470" data-d="259">new </span><span data-m="384730" data-d="420">social </span><span data-m="385150" data-d="439">network </span><span data-m="385650" data-d="560">designed </span><span data-m="386220" data-d="110">to </span><span data-m="386330" data-d="410">foster </span><span data-m="386740" data-d="449">meaningful </span><span data-m="387210" data-d="959">conversations </span><span data-m="388210" data-d="569">online </span><span data-m="388790" data-d="250">through </span><span data-m="389040" data-d="269">books </span><span data-m="389309" data-d="160">and </span><span data-m="389469" data-d="490">movies, </span><span data-m="390380" data-d="209">and </span><span data-m="390590" data-d="139">we </span><span data-m="390730" data-d="269">saw </span><span data-m="391000" data-d="250">this </span><span data-m="391580" data-d="20">as </span><span data-m="391600" data-d="9">a </span><span data-m="391610" data-d="259">great </span><span data-m="391880" data-d="459">opportunity </span><span data-m="392509" data-d="120">to </span><span data-m="392630" data-d="610">foster </span><span data-m="393240" data-d="759">visibility, </span><span data-m="394010" data-d="639">knowledge </span><span data-m="394690" data-d="149">and </span><span data-m="394840" data-d="850">engagement </span><span data-m="396870" data-d="449">with </span><span data-m="397620" data-d="709">several </span><span data-m="398350" data-d="399">different </span><span data-m="398760" data-d="839">audiences </span><span data-m="399700" data-d="339">on </span><span data-m="400050" data-d="410">women's </span><span data-m="400460" data-d="509">rights. </span><span data-m="401150" data-d="209">So </span><span data-m="401360" data-d="160">I'm </span><span data-m="401520" data-d="180">really </span><span data-m="401710" data-d="199">happy </span><span data-m="401910" data-d="100">to </span><span data-m="402010" data-d="160">be </span><span data-m="402170" data-d="220">here </span><span data-m="402390" data-d="139">and </span><span data-m="402530" data-d="89">to </span><span data-m="402620" data-d="199">share </span><span data-m="402820" data-d="120">my </span><span data-m="402940" data-d="459">experience </span><span data-m="403400" data-d="170">with </span><span data-m="403570" data-d="110">you </span><span data-m="403680" data-d="259">all. </span><span data-m="404770" data-d="180">I'll </span><span data-m="404970" data-d="259">pass </span><span data-m="405230" data-d="139">it </span><span data-m="405370" data-d="399">on </span><span data-m="405780" data-d="300">to </span><span data-m="406140" data-d="240">Jessica. </span></p>
<p><span class="speaker" data-m="408420" data-d="0">Jessica Chemali: </span><span data-m="408420" data-d="250">Hi, </span><span data-m="408670" data-d="639">everyone. </span><span data-m="409490" data-d="259">It's </span><span data-m="410230" data-d="100">also </span><span data-m="410331" data-d="79">a </span><span data-m="410411" data-d="449">pleasure </span><span data-m="410861" data-d="149">to </span><span data-m="411011" data-d="259">be </span><span data-m="411271" data-d="209">here </span><span data-m="411481" data-d="170">with </span><span data-m="411652" data-d="180">you </span><span data-m="411889" data-d="480">today. </span><span data-m="413090" data-d="160">So </span><span data-m="413250" data-d="180">my </span><span data-m="413430" data-d="199">name </span><span data-m="413629" data-d="189">is </span><span data-m="414080" data-d="540">Jessica </span><span data-m="415750" data-d="290">Chemali. </span><span data-m="416100" data-d="420">I'm </span><span data-m="416540" data-d="149">in </span><span data-m="416690" data-d="610">Lebanon, </span><span data-m="417330" data-d="629">embedded </span><span data-m="418330" data-d="220">with </span><span data-m="418570" data-d="279">legal </span><span data-m="418920" data-d="660">agenda, </span><span data-m="419980" data-d="170">of </span><span data-m="420160" data-d="279">which </span><span data-m="420440" data-d="199">I'm </span><span data-m="420650" data-d="329">also </span><span data-m="421720" data-d="240">the </span><span data-m="421960" data-d="500">deputy </span><span data-m="422460" data-d="540">director. </span><span data-m="423010" data-d="269">But </span><span data-m="424160" data-d="290">today </span><span data-m="424450" data-d="220">I'm </span><span data-m="424679" data-d="160">here </span><span data-m="424840" data-d="89">in </span><span data-m="425159" data-d="19">my </span><span data-m="425179" data-d="279">capacity </span><span data-m="425870" data-d="160">as </span><span data-m="426030" data-d="40">a </span><span data-m="426400" data-d="100">Tech </span><span data-m="426501" data-d="100">and </span><span data-m="426602" data-d="529">Society </span><span data-m="427132" data-d="370">Fellow. </span><span data-m="428049" data-d="180">Legal </span><span data-m="428309" data-d="490">Agenda </span><span data-m="428799" data-d="189">is </span><span data-m="429170" data-d="149">an </span><span data-m="429320" data-d="889">organization </span><span data-m="430219" data-d="560">headquartered </span><span data-m="430789" data-d="370">in </span><span data-m="431430" data-d="670">Lebanon </span><span data-m="432930" data-d="170">and </span><span data-m="433100" data-d="370">working </span><span data-m="433470" data-d="110">in </span><span data-m="433590" data-d="129">the </span><span data-m="433720" data-d="279">MENA </span><span data-m="434080" data-d="600">region, </span><span data-m="434800" data-d="19">by </span><span data-m="439530" data-d="700">monitoring </span><span data-m="440250" data-d="329">law </span><span data-m="440860" data-d="100">and </span><span data-m="440961" data-d="100">its </span><span data-m="441062" data-d="439">social </span><span data-m="441502" data-d="740">implications </span><span data-m="442243" data-d="189">as </span><span data-m="442433" data-d="589">journalists </span><span data-m="443023" data-d="350">and </span><span data-m="443530" data-d="189">the </span><span data-m="443740" data-d="870">communities, </span><span data-m="445549" data-d="120">to </span><span data-m="445670" data-d="300">promote </span><span data-m="445971" data-d="339">social </span><span data-m="446311" data-d="560">change. </span><span data-m="447240" data-d="509">So </span><span data-m="448100" data-d="160">we </span><span data-m="448260" data-d="759">monitor </span><span data-m="449070" data-d="170">the </span><span data-m="449240" data-d="639">parliament, </span><span data-m="449890" data-d="70">we </span><span data-m="449960" data-d="719">monitor </span><span data-m="450690" data-d="160">the </span><span data-m="450850" data-d="449">judiciary </span><span data-m="451610" data-d="139">as </span><span data-m="451760" data-d="69">well </span><span data-m="451970" data-d="170">as </span><span data-m="452150" data-d="120">the </span><span data-m="452270" data-d="480">government </span><span data-m="453330" data-d="410">and </span><span data-m="453920" data-d="360">conduct </span><span data-m="454280" data-d="639">strategic </span><span data-m="454970" data-d="579">litigation. </span><span data-m="455980" data-d="410">And </span><span data-m="456630" data-d="220">my </span><span data-m="456850" data-d="560">fellowship </span><span data-m="457490" data-d="259">is </span><span data-m="458260" data-d="509">about </span><span data-m="460030" data-d="829">leveraging </span><span data-m="461790" data-d="350">data </span><span data-m="462141" data-d="709">science </span><span data-m="462910" data-d="930">interaction </span><span data-m="464080" data-d="120">in </span><span data-m="464200" data-d="259">order </span><span data-m="464460" data-d="129">to </span><span data-m="464589" data-d="240">make </span><span data-m="464839" data-d="240">all </span><span data-m="465080" data-d="110">the </span><span data-m="465190" data-d="689">complex </span><span data-m="466949" data-d="529">laws </span><span data-m="467520" data-d="439">and </span><span data-m="468280" data-d="199">the </span><span data-m="468690" data-d="659">relationship </span><span data-m="469380" data-d="449">to </span><span data-m="470190" data-d="110">the </span><span data-m="470300" data-d="699">communities </span><span data-m="471190" data-d="269">more </span><span data-m="471460" data-d="600">accessible </span><span data-m="472100" data-d="110">to </span><span data-m="472210" data-d="230">those </span><span data-m="472440" data-d="670">communities </span><span data-m="473120" data-d="209">so </span><span data-m="473330" data-d="300">that </span><span data-m="475790" data-d="110">they </span><span data-m="475900" data-d="209">can </span><span data-m="476110" data-d="240">use </span><span data-m="476351" data-d="160">it </span><span data-m="476550" data-d="300">in </span><span data-m="476880" data-d="370">public </span><span data-m="477250" data-d="360">debates, </span><span data-m="477610" data-d="209">so </span><span data-m="477820" data-d="250">that </span><span data-m="478580" data-d="149">the </span><span data-m="478730" data-d="189">law </span><span data-m="478940" data-d="199">can </span><span data-m="479139" data-d="259">really </span><span data-m="479400" data-d="189">be </span><span data-m="480059" data-d="100">a </span><span data-m="480160" data-d="100">pillar </span><span data-m="480261" data-d="240">and </span><span data-m="480502" data-d="160">how </span><span data-m="480663" data-d="360">public </span><span data-m="481024" data-d="329">debate </span><span data-m="481354" data-d="480">happens </span><span data-m="482020" data-d="430">in </span><span data-m="482550" data-d="250">in </span><span data-m="482810" data-d="229">these </span><span data-m="483039" data-d="390">countries. </span><span data-m="485340" data-d="259">Thank </span><span data-m="485600" data-d="129">you, </span><span data-m="485740" data-d="500">Jessica. </span><span data-m="486279" data-d="139">And </span><span data-m="486420" data-d="100">if </span><span data-m="486520" data-d="410">Jessica </span><span data-m="486930" data-d="189">has </span><span data-m="487120" data-d="100">to </span><span data-m="487221" data-d="100">turn </span><span data-m="487322" data-d="100">off </span><span data-m="487423" data-d="100">for </span><span data-m="487524" data-d="100">a </span><span data-m="487625" data-d="100">video, </span><span data-m="487726" data-d="100">don't </span><span data-m="487827" data-d="100">take </span><span data-m="487928" data-d="100">it </span><span data-m="488029" data-d="100">personally. </span><span data-m="488130" data-d="100">It's </span><span data-m="488231" data-d="100">just </span><span data-m="488332" data-d="100">that </span><span data-m="488433" data-d="100">she </span><span data-m="488534" data-d="100">lives </span><span data-m="488635" data-d="100">in </span><span data-m="488736" data-d="100">Lebanon </span><span data-m="488837" data-d="100">that </span><span data-m="488938" data-d="100">has </span><span data-m="489039" data-d="100">its </span><span data-m="489140" data-d="100">own </span><span data-m="489241" data-d="100">challenges </span><span data-m="489342" data-d="100">around </span><span data-m="489443" data-d="100">electricity </span><span data-m="489544" data-d="100">and </span><span data-m="489645" data-d="100">Internet. </span><span data-m="489746" data-d="100">So </span><span data-m="489847" data-d="100">thank </span><span data-m="489948" data-d="100">you </span><span data-m="490049" data-d="100">all </span><span data-m="490150" data-d="100">for </span><span data-m="490251" data-d="100">that. </span><span data-m="490352" data-d="100">Um, </span><span data-m="490453" data-d="100">I </span><span data-m="490554" data-d="100">have </span><span data-m="490655" data-d="100">a </span><span data-m="490756" data-d="100">first </span><span data-m="490857" data-d="100">question </span><span data-m="490958" data-d="100">that </span><span data-m="491059" data-d="100">I </span><span data-m="491160" data-d="100">think </span><span data-m="491261" data-d="100">everyone </span><span data-m="491362" data-d="100">here </span><span data-m="491463" data-d="100">wants </span><span data-m="491564" data-d="100">to </span><span data-m="491665" data-d="100">hear </span><span data-m="491766" data-d="100">the </span><span data-m="491867" data-d="100">answer </span><span data-m="491968" data-d="100">to, </span><span data-m="492069" data-d="100">um </span><span data-m="492170" data-d="100">and </span><span data-m="492271" data-d="100">I'm </span><span data-m="492372" data-d="100">going </span><span data-m="492473" data-d="100">to </span><span data-m="492574" data-d="100">pose </span><span data-m="492675" data-d="100">it </span><span data-m="492776" data-d="100">first. </span><span data-m="492877" data-d="100">To </span><span data-m="492978" data-d="100">Giovanna </span><span data-m="493079" data-d="100">is </span><span data-m="493180" data-d="100">one </span><span data-m="493281" data-d="100">of </span><span data-m="493382" data-d="100">our </span><span data-m="493483" data-d="100">host </span><span data-m="493584" data-d="100">organizations. </span></p>
<p><span class="speaker" data-m="493685" data-d="0">Hanan: </span><span data-m="493685" data-d="100">Thank </span><span data-m="493786" data-d="100">you, </span><span data-m="493887" data-d="100">Jessica. </span><span data-m="493988" data-d="100">And </span><span data-m="494089" data-d="100">if </span><span data-m="494190" data-d="100">Jessica </span><span data-m="494291" data-d="100">has </span><span data-m="494392" data-d="110">to </span><span data-m="494503" data-d="240">turn </span><span data-m="494744" data-d="160">off </span><span data-m="494905" data-d="129">her </span><span data-m="495035" data-d="550">video, </span><span data-m="495586" data-d="209">don't </span><span data-m="495796" data-d="149">take </span><span data-m="495946" data-d="120">it </span><span data-m="496067" data-d="620">personally </span><span data-m="496688" data-d="110">it's </span><span data-m="496799" data-d="199">just </span><span data-m="496999" data-d="170">that </span><span data-m="497170" data-d="149">she </span><span data-m="497320" data-d="209">lives </span><span data-m="497530" data-d="120">in </span><span data-m="497651" data-d="220">Lebanon </span><span data-m="497872" data-d="139">that </span><span data-m="498012" data-d="180">has </span><span data-m="498193" data-d="199">its </span><span data-m="498393" data-d="319">own </span><span data-m="498713" data-d="519">challenges </span><span data-m="499233" data-d="250">around </span><span data-m="499484" data-d="709">electricity </span><span data-m="500194" data-d="209">and </span><span data-m="500404" data-d="560">Internet. </span><span data-m="500965" data-d="310">So </span><span data-m="501276" data-d="250">thank </span><span data-m="501527" data-d="139">you </span><span data-m="501667" data-d="180">all </span><span data-m="501848" data-d="170">for </span><span data-m="502019" data-d="329">that. </span></p>
<p><span class="speaker" data-m="502349" data-d="0">Hanan: </span><span data-m="502349" data-d="139">I </span><span data-m="502489" data-d="220">have </span><span data-m="502710" data-d="290">a </span><span data-m="503001" data-d="300">first </span><span data-m="503302" data-d="319">question </span><span data-m="503622" data-d="60">that </span><span data-m="503683" data-d="110">I </span><span data-m="503794" data-d="189">think </span><span data-m="503984" data-d="370">everyone </span><span data-m="504355" data-d="259">here </span><span data-m="504615" data-d="230">wants </span><span data-m="504846" data-d="89">to </span><span data-m="504936" data-d="160">hear </span><span data-m="505097" data-d="120">the </span><span data-m="505218" data-d="329">answer </span><span data-m="505548" data-d="350">to, </span><span data-m="505899" data-d="449">um </span><span data-m="506349" data-d="180">and </span><span data-m="506530" data-d="129">I'm </span><span data-m="506660" data-d="209">going </span><span data-m="506870" data-d="129">to </span><span data-m="507000" data-d="279">pose </span><span data-m="507280" data-d="189">it </span><span data-m="507470" data-d="300">first. </span><span data-m="507771" data-d="170">To </span><span data-m="507942" data-d="209">Giovanna </span><span data-m="508152" data-d="50">is </span><span data-m="508203" data-d="139">one </span><span data-m="508343" data-d="139">of </span><span data-m="508483" data-d="69">our </span><span data-m="508553" data-d="470">host </span><span data-m="509024" data-d="819">organizations. </span><span data-m="509844" data-d="240">And </span><span data-m="510085" data-d="230">Giovanna </span><span data-m="510316" data-d="250">I </span><span data-m="510567" data-d="129">think </span><span data-m="510697" data-d="50">it </span><span data-m="510748" data-d="29">would </span><span data-m="510778" data-d="100">be </span><span data-m="510879" data-d="189">really </span><span data-m="511069" data-d="329">interesting </span><span data-m="511399" data-d="120">to </span><span data-m="511520" data-d="360">hear </span><span data-m="511881" data-d="389">speaking </span><span data-m="512271" data-d="129">from </span><span data-m="512401" data-d="110">your </span><span data-m="512512" data-d="550">experience </span><span data-m="513063" data-d="189">so </span><span data-m="513253" data-d="240">far, </span><span data-m="513494" data-d="449">hosting </span><span data-m="513944" data-d="69">a </span><span data-m="514014" data-d="609">fellow </span><span data-m="514624" data-d="320">why </span><span data-m="514945" data-d="190">does </span><span data-m="515136" data-d="250">intersecting </span><span data-m="515387" data-d="659">technology </span><span data-m="516047" data-d="29">and </span><span data-m="516077" data-d="230">social </span><span data-m="516308" data-d="299">justice </span><span data-m="516608" data-d="259">work </span><span data-m="516868" data-d="210">makes </span><span data-m="517079" data-d="289">sense </span><span data-m="517369" data-d="149">to </span><span data-m="517519" data-d="250">you? </span></p>
<p><span class="speaker" data-m="520230" data-d="0">Giovanna: </span><span data-m="520230" data-d="350">Yeah, </span><span data-m="520580" data-d="330">well, </span><span data-m="520959" data-d="120">I </span><span data-m="521080" data-d="220">guess </span><span data-m="521301" data-d="139">we </span><span data-m="521449" data-d="179">have </span><span data-m="521629" data-d="100">to </span><span data-m="521730" data-d="230">take </span><span data-m="522209" data-d="289">into </span><span data-m="522500" data-d="529">account </span><span data-m="523039" data-d="529">some, </span><span data-m="523640" data-d="399">um, </span><span data-m="524049" data-d="149">the </span><span data-m="524200" data-d="730">context </span><span data-m="524930" data-d="210">right </span><span data-m="525140" data-d="240">now </span><span data-m="525380" data-d="190">that </span><span data-m="525570" data-d="129">we </span><span data-m="525700" data-d="80">are </span><span data-m="525780" data-d="440">living </span><span data-m="526230" data-d="230">not </span><span data-m="526460" data-d="230">only </span><span data-m="526690" data-d="110">in </span><span data-m="526800" data-d="529">Mexico, </span><span data-m="527330" data-d="190">but </span><span data-m="527520" data-d="649">also </span><span data-m="528470" data-d="259">in </span><span data-m="528730" data-d="419">several </span><span data-m="529170" data-d="460">countries </span><span data-m="529630" data-d="200">of </span><span data-m="529830" data-d="269">Latin </span><span data-m="530099" data-d="610">America </span><span data-m="530760" data-d="429">and </span><span data-m="531210" data-d="360">even </span><span data-m="531570" data-d="720">worldwide, </span><span data-m="532760" data-d="700">where </span><span data-m="533559" data-d="169">the </span><span data-m="533730" data-d="399">closure </span><span data-m="534130" data-d="120">of </span><span data-m="534259" data-d="330">civic </span><span data-m="534729" data-d="460">spaces </span><span data-m="535309" data-d="79">and </span><span data-m="535389" data-d="500">political </span><span data-m="536250" data-d="779">polarization </span><span data-m="537030" data-d="120">is </span><span data-m="537250" data-d="100">on </span><span data-m="537351" data-d="110">the </span><span data-m="537462" data-d="470">rise </span><span data-m="538449" data-d="279">as </span><span data-m="538730" data-d="259">well </span><span data-m="539300" data-d="20">as </span><span data-m="539360" data-d="309">mis </span><span data-m="539670" data-d="150">and </span><span data-m="539820" data-d="949">disinformation. </span><span data-m="540810" data-d="609">So </span><span data-m="541430" data-d="409">we </span><span data-m="542420" data-d="100">had </span><span data-m="542521" data-d="100">cookies </span><span data-m="542622" data-d="360">believe </span><span data-m="542983" data-d="340">that </span><span data-m="543324" data-d="629">innovative </span><span data-m="543954" data-d="850">responses </span><span data-m="544805" data-d="250">that </span><span data-m="545056" data-d="200">may </span><span data-m="545257" data-d="509">allow </span><span data-m="545767" data-d="429">NGOs </span><span data-m="546230" data-d="120">to </span><span data-m="546350" data-d="500">continue </span><span data-m="546850" data-d="149">their </span><span data-m="547010" data-d="509">work </span><span data-m="547910" data-d="269">and </span><span data-m="548179" data-d="549">thrive, </span><span data-m="548750" data-d="539">despite </span><span data-m="549300" data-d="360">growing </span><span data-m="549660" data-d="629">pressures </span><span data-m="550330" data-d="269">is </span><span data-m="550800" data-d="320">urgently </span><span data-m="551120" data-d="350">needed. </span><span data-m="551920" data-d="600">So </span><span data-m="552550" data-d="190">in </span><span data-m="552740" data-d="210">this </span><span data-m="552950" data-d="429">regard, </span><span data-m="553410" data-d="1000">technologists </span><span data-m="554790" data-d="580">definitely </span><span data-m="555370" data-d="259">play </span><span data-m="555630" data-d="70">a </span><span data-m="555700" data-d="419">huge </span><span data-m="556119" data-d="269">role </span><span data-m="556389" data-d="120">in </span><span data-m="556510" data-d="409">tackling </span><span data-m="556920" data-d="330">such </span><span data-m="557250" data-d="590">issues, </span><span data-m="557879" data-d="360">and </span><span data-m="558250" data-d="230">we </span><span data-m="558480" data-d="210">with </span><span data-m="558690" data-d="149">our </span><span data-m="558840" data-d="549">fellow </span><span data-m="559430" data-d="389">and </span><span data-m="560180" data-d="200">kind </span><span data-m="560380" data-d="149">of, </span><span data-m="560530" data-d="200">like, </span><span data-m="560740" data-d="559">innovating </span><span data-m="561400" data-d="200">with </span><span data-m="561610" data-d="230">this </span><span data-m="561860" data-d="299">new </span><span data-m="562160" data-d="480">social </span><span data-m="562640" data-d="279">media </span><span data-m="562920" data-d="649">platform </span><span data-m="564369" data-d="90">aim </span><span data-m="564820" data-d="279">to </span><span data-m="565140" data-d="629">actually </span><span data-m="569290" data-d="800">address, </span><span data-m="571559" data-d="580">like, </span><span data-m="572160" data-d="820">fostering </span><span data-m="573059" data-d="570">meaningful </span><span data-m="573650" data-d="1149">conversations </span><span data-m="574840" data-d="340">and </span><span data-m="575180" data-d="169">get </span><span data-m="575350" data-d="320">away </span><span data-m="575670" data-d="230">from </span><span data-m="575900" data-d="110">the </span><span data-m="576420" data-d="649">polarization. </span></p>
<p><span class="speaker" data-m="577560" data-d="0">Giovanna: </span><span data-m="577560" data-d="200">And </span><span data-m="577760" data-d="250">also, </span><span data-m="578010" data-d="159">we </span><span data-m="578170" data-d="159">do </span><span data-m="578330" data-d="360">believe </span><span data-m="578690" data-d="230">that </span><span data-m="578920" data-d="330">civic </span><span data-m="579250" data-d="610">technology </span><span data-m="579860" data-d="129">and </span><span data-m="579990" data-d="389">digital </span><span data-m="580410" data-d="460">tools </span><span data-m="580910" data-d="299">most </span><span data-m="581210" data-d="500">definitely </span><span data-m="581710" data-d="179">have </span><span data-m="581890" data-d="80">the </span><span data-m="581970" data-d="480">potential </span><span data-m="582490" data-d="100">to </span><span data-m="582590" data-d="539">contribute </span><span data-m="583190" data-d="179">to </span><span data-m="583370" data-d="409">cultural </span><span data-m="583810" data-d="440">change </span><span data-m="584270" data-d="169">and </span><span data-m="584440" data-d="70">the </span><span data-m="584510" data-d="440">defense </span><span data-m="584950" data-d="179">of </span><span data-m="585130" data-d="350">human </span><span data-m="585480" data-d="509">rights. </span><span data-m="587120" data-d="120">I </span><span data-m="587240" data-d="259">mean, </span><span data-m="588179" data-d="100">we've </span><span data-m="588280" data-d="220">all </span><span data-m="588501" data-d="269">seen </span><span data-m="588771" data-d="149">that </span><span data-m="588921" data-d="120">they </span><span data-m="589042" data-d="360">enable </span><span data-m="589403" data-d="320">people </span><span data-m="589724" data-d="159">to </span><span data-m="589884" data-d="419">document </span><span data-m="590304" data-d="610">abuse </span><span data-m="590915" data-d="129">to </span><span data-m="591045" data-d="220">make </span><span data-m="591266" data-d="59">their </span><span data-m="591326" data-d="419">voices </span><span data-m="591746" data-d="529">heard </span><span data-m="592600" data-d="139">to </span><span data-m="592740" data-d="470">protect </span><span data-m="593211" data-d="120">and </span><span data-m="593332" data-d="309">defend </span><span data-m="593642" data-d="100">the </span><span data-m="593743" data-d="659">rights, </span><span data-m="594459" data-d="419">among </span><span data-m="594890" data-d="470">several </span><span data-m="595360" data-d="220">other </span><span data-m="596250" data-d="320">amazing </span><span data-m="596740" data-d="429">things. </span><span data-m="597670" data-d="470">So, </span><span data-m="598200" data-d="299">taking </span><span data-m="598500" data-d="200">into </span><span data-m="598700" data-d="720">consideration </span><span data-m="599420" data-d="200">these </span><span data-m="599620" data-d="190">two </span><span data-m="599810" data-d="210">key </span><span data-m="600020" data-d="820">aspects, </span><span data-m="600850" data-d="240">we </span><span data-m="601540" data-d="29">had </span><span data-m="601580" data-d="429">realized </span><span data-m="602179" data-d="200">that </span><span data-m="602380" data-d="120">we </span><span data-m="602500" data-d="259">needed </span><span data-m="602780" data-d="179">to </span><span data-m="602960" data-d="179">up </span><span data-m="603139" data-d="350">skill </span><span data-m="603490" data-d="159">our </span><span data-m="603700" data-d="450">technical </span><span data-m="604200" data-d="539">capacity, </span><span data-m="605259" data-d="559">especially </span><span data-m="605820" data-d="179">now </span><span data-m="606000" data-d="190">that </span><span data-m="606190" data-d="539">technology </span><span data-m="606730" data-d="100">is </span><span data-m="606831" data-d="159">so </span><span data-m="606991" data-d="659">prevalent. </span><span data-m="607651" data-d="29">And </span><span data-m="607820" data-d="340">also </span><span data-m="608300" data-d="310">amid </span><span data-m="608660" data-d="220">the </span><span data-m="609059" data-d="100">covid </span><span data-m="609160" data-d="789">19 </span><span data-m="609950" data-d="679">pandemic, </span><span data-m="611690" data-d="289">that </span><span data-m="612180" data-d="240">kind </span><span data-m="612420" data-d="149">of </span><span data-m="612570" data-d="200">like </span><span data-m="612770" data-d="419">forced </span><span data-m="613190" data-d="309">us </span><span data-m="613500" data-d="629">to </span><span data-m="614430" data-d="169">to </span><span data-m="614600" data-d="539">explore </span><span data-m="615140" data-d="139">and </span><span data-m="615280" data-d="360">thrive </span><span data-m="615640" data-d="299">within </span><span data-m="615950" data-d="129">the </span><span data-m="616080" data-d="529">digital </span><span data-m="616610" data-d="419">realm </span><span data-m="617610" data-d="460">and </span><span data-m="618580" data-d="340">yeah, </span><span data-m="618970" data-d="200">take </span><span data-m="619170" data-d="190">this </span><span data-m="619360" data-d="659">opportunity, </span><span data-m="620020" data-d="330">like, </span><span data-m="620370" data-d="389">right </span><span data-m="620950" data-d="299">hands, </span><span data-m="621250" data-d="70">right. </span></p>
<p><span class="speaker" data-m="623460" data-d="0">Hanan: </span><span data-m="623460" data-d="220">Yeah. </span><span data-m="624370" data-d="240">So </span><span data-m="624620" data-d="90">I </span><span data-m="624719" data-d="220">think </span><span data-m="624940" data-d="129">that </span><span data-m="625070" data-d="250">probably </span><span data-m="625320" data-d="289">speaks </span><span data-m="625610" data-d="120">to </span><span data-m="625730" data-d="220">quite </span><span data-m="625950" data-d="70">a </span><span data-m="626020" data-d="379">few </span><span data-m="626429" data-d="309">different </span><span data-m="626740" data-d="740">organizations </span><span data-m="627480" data-d="120">at </span><span data-m="627601" data-d="159">this </span><span data-m="628270" data-d="100">point </span><span data-m="628371" data-d="169">in </span><span data-m="628541" data-d="409">time. </span><span data-m="629420" data-d="320">Um, </span><span data-m="629779" data-d="370">Brian, </span><span data-m="630160" data-d="190">you </span><span data-m="630350" data-d="230">come </span><span data-m="630580" data-d="59">from </span><span data-m="630640" data-d="9">a </span><span data-m="630799" data-d="240">very </span><span data-m="631060" data-d="419">different </span><span data-m="631610" data-d="509">background </span><span data-m="632140" data-d="169">as </span><span data-m="632310" data-d="59">a </span><span data-m="632379" data-d="9">cybersecurity </span><span data-m="633220" data-d="470">engineer. </span><span data-m="633700" data-d="159">How </span><span data-m="633860" data-d="139">would </span><span data-m="634000" data-d="139">you </span><span data-m="634400" data-d="100">answer </span><span data-m="634501" data-d="159">that </span><span data-m="634661" data-d="419">question? </span></p>
<p><span class="speaker" data-m="637340" data-d="0">Brian: </span><span data-m="637340" data-d="309">Yeah, </span><span data-m="637720" data-d="590">I </span><span data-m="638360" data-d="259">think </span><span data-m="638630" data-d="360">first </span><span data-m="639750" data-d="9">I </span><span data-m="639790" data-d="389">speak </span><span data-m="640650" data-d="139">as </span><span data-m="640969" data-d="9">a </span><span data-m="640980" data-d="809">technologist, </span><span data-m="642000" data-d="429">and </span><span data-m="642460" data-d="240">I </span><span data-m="642750" data-d="509">think </span><span data-m="643910" data-d="100">as </span><span data-m="644011" data-d="59">a </span><span data-m="644071" data-d="730">technologist. </span><span data-m="644802" data-d="169">It's </span><span data-m="644972" data-d="259">very, </span><span data-m="645232" data-d="210">very </span><span data-m="645443" data-d="500">important </span><span data-m="645944" data-d="330">for </span><span data-m="646275" data-d="279">us </span><span data-m="646555" data-d="179">to </span><span data-m="646740" data-d="860">understand </span><span data-m="648100" data-d="240">not </span><span data-m="648340" data-d="240">only </span><span data-m="648580" data-d="139">the </span><span data-m="648720" data-d="360">social </span><span data-m="649080" data-d="289">implications </span><span data-m="650430" data-d="210">but </span><span data-m="650640" data-d="309">also </span><span data-m="650950" data-d="149">the </span><span data-m="651100" data-d="669">policy </span><span data-m="652080" data-d="909">ramifications </span><span data-m="652990" data-d="330">of </span><span data-m="653630" data-d="169">our </span><span data-m="653800" data-d="330">work, </span><span data-m="654770" data-d="440">and </span><span data-m="655320" data-d="259">so </span><span data-m="655580" data-d="350">far </span><span data-m="655980" data-d="190">I've </span><span data-m="656170" data-d="230">only </span><span data-m="656400" data-d="190">been </span><span data-m="656590" data-d="70">a </span><span data-m="656660" data-d="340">fellow </span><span data-m="657530" data-d="139">for </span><span data-m="657670" data-d="240">quite </span><span data-m="658050" data-d="9">a </span><span data-m="658059" data-d="190">while. </span><span data-m="658250" data-d="240">But </span><span data-m="658639" data-d="159">it </span><span data-m="658800" data-d="220">has </span><span data-m="659130" data-d="370">opened </span><span data-m="659500" data-d="169">my </span><span data-m="659719" data-d="360">eyes </span><span data-m="660099" data-d="210">in </span><span data-m="660969" data-d="100">various </span><span data-m="661070" data-d="100">ways </span><span data-m="661171" data-d="490">because </span><span data-m="661910" data-d="230">I </span><span data-m="662141" data-d="370">truly </span><span data-m="662512" data-d="470">realized </span><span data-m="663009" data-d="200">that </span><span data-m="663210" data-d="860">technology </span><span data-m="664129" data-d="379">is </span><span data-m="664529" data-d="639">definitely </span><span data-m="665170" data-d="320">not </span><span data-m="666150" data-d="580">politically </span><span data-m="666820" data-d="509">neutral, </span><span data-m="667460" data-d="779">and </span><span data-m="668370" data-d="279">most </span><span data-m="668650" data-d="350">people </span><span data-m="669000" data-d="139">may </span><span data-m="669160" data-d="259">have </span><span data-m="669420" data-d="169">this </span><span data-m="669720" data-d="100">as </span><span data-m="669821" data-d="70">a </span><span data-m="669892" data-d="340">truth. </span><span data-m="670233" data-d="250">But </span><span data-m="670484" data-d="210">it's </span><span data-m="670700" data-d="539">definitely </span><span data-m="671240" data-d="210">not </span><span data-m="671450" data-d="80">a </span><span data-m="671530" data-d="379">fact. </span><span data-m="672520" data-d="220">And </span><span data-m="673110" data-d="100">there's </span><span data-m="673211" data-d="100">always </span><span data-m="673312" data-d="200">that </span><span data-m="673513" data-d="519">element </span><span data-m="674033" data-d="230">of </span><span data-m="674264" data-d="549">duality </span><span data-m="674814" data-d="169">when </span><span data-m="674984" data-d="100">it </span><span data-m="675085" data-d="259">comes </span><span data-m="675345" data-d="129">to </span><span data-m="675475" data-d="720">technology. </span><span data-m="676196" data-d="230">In </span><span data-m="676427" data-d="250">that, </span><span data-m="676690" data-d="299">every </span><span data-m="676990" data-d="350">tool </span><span data-m="677340" data-d="240">that </span><span data-m="678220" data-d="590">potentially </span><span data-m="678810" data-d="159">can </span><span data-m="679139" data-d="129">do </span><span data-m="679270" data-d="379">good </span><span data-m="680160" data-d="230">can </span><span data-m="680391" data-d="639">also </span><span data-m="681059" data-d="190">can </span><span data-m="681250" data-d="289">also </span><span data-m="681540" data-d="220">do </span><span data-m="681780" data-d="330">bad </span><span data-m="682129" data-d="570">and </span><span data-m="682820" data-d="360">vice </span><span data-m="683180" data-d="470">versa. </span></p>
<p><span class="speaker" data-m="683959" data-d="0">Brian: </span><span data-m="683959" data-d="220">Like, </span><span data-m="684180" data-d="139">for </span><span data-m="684320" data-d="559">example, </span><span data-m="684880" data-d="200">there's </span><span data-m="685090" data-d="110">a... </span><span data-m="685450" data-d="129">I </span><span data-m="685580" data-d="200">can </span><span data-m="685780" data-d="110">build </span><span data-m="686120" data-d="110">a </span><span data-m="686230" data-d="129">cyber </span><span data-m="686530" data-d="590">security </span><span data-m="687290" data-d="220">tool </span><span data-m="687550" data-d="269">meant </span><span data-m="687830" data-d="139">to </span><span data-m="687970" data-d="330">help </span><span data-m="688300" data-d="190">in </span><span data-m="688530" data-d="529">penetration </span><span data-m="689060" data-d="519">testing. </span><span data-m="690050" data-d="230">But </span><span data-m="690300" data-d="529">hackers </span><span data-m="690830" data-d="190">may </span><span data-m="691030" data-d="399">misuse </span><span data-m="691430" data-d="220">this </span><span data-m="691650" data-d="320">tool </span><span data-m="691970" data-d="480">to </span><span data-m="693320" data-d="429">attack </span><span data-m="693780" data-d="179">the </span><span data-m="693990" data-d="330">civic </span><span data-m="694320" data-d="340">space </span><span data-m="694660" data-d="110">in </span><span data-m="694770" data-d="330">another </span><span data-m="695101" data-d="250">way. </span><span data-m="696030" data-d="279">So </span><span data-m="696370" data-d="279">as </span><span data-m="696679" data-d="230">techies </span><span data-m="697799" data-d="279">one </span><span data-m="698079" data-d="210">thing </span><span data-m="698289" data-d="179">I've </span><span data-m="698469" data-d="310">learned </span><span data-m="698779" data-d="189">is </span><span data-m="698979" data-d="309">that </span><span data-m="699929" data-d="389">everything </span><span data-m="700320" data-d="120">we </span><span data-m="700440" data-d="240">do </span><span data-m="700690" data-d="299">has </span><span data-m="700990" data-d="179">a </span><span data-m="701180" data-d="340">moral </span><span data-m="701539" data-d="559">dimension </span><span data-m="702100" data-d="149">to </span><span data-m="702920" data-d="100">it, </span><span data-m="703021" data-d="100">if </span><span data-m="703122" data-d="159">that </span><span data-m="703282" data-d="220">makes </span><span data-m="703503" data-d="200">any </span><span data-m="703704" data-d="350">sense, </span><span data-m="704630" data-d="480">and </span><span data-m="705210" data-d="169">we </span><span data-m="705380" data-d="179">need </span><span data-m="705590" data-d="110">to </span><span data-m="705700" data-d="159">sort </span><span data-m="705860" data-d="149">of </span><span data-m="706010" data-d="559">accept </span><span data-m="706570" data-d="259">it </span><span data-m="706930" data-d="500">and </span><span data-m="707490" data-d="529">engage </span><span data-m="708020" data-d="129">with </span><span data-m="708150" data-d="120">it, </span><span data-m="708570" data-d="480">it's </span><span data-m="709080" data-d="230">not </span><span data-m="709310" data-d="460">something </span><span data-m="709780" data-d="210">that </span><span data-m="710030" data-d="129">we </span><span data-m="710160" data-d="230">can </span><span data-m="710391" data-d="230">run </span><span data-m="710622" data-d="460">from </span><span data-m="711170" data-d="590">anymore. </span></p>
<p><span class="speaker" data-m="712120" data-d="0">Brian: </span><span data-m="712120" data-d="250">And </span><span data-m="712370" data-d="80">by </span><span data-m="712480" data-d="419">working </span><span data-m="712900" data-d="250">with </span><span data-m="713160" data-d="350">Social </span><span data-m="713511" data-d="690">Justice, </span><span data-m="714860" data-d="190">we </span><span data-m="715051" data-d="269">have </span><span data-m="715320" data-d="149">more </span><span data-m="715469" data-d="710">exposure </span><span data-m="716230" data-d="210">and </span><span data-m="717009" data-d="100">awareness </span><span data-m="717110" data-d="490">because </span><span data-m="718100" data-d="279">they </span><span data-m="718420" data-d="259">act </span><span data-m="718680" data-d="80">as </span><span data-m="718789" data-d="120">the </span><span data-m="718910" data-d="279">mirror </span><span data-m="719230" data-d="100">to </span><span data-m="719330" data-d="669">society, </span><span data-m="720029" data-d="210">and </span><span data-m="720240" data-d="110">they </span><span data-m="720350" data-d="480">constantly </span><span data-m="720830" data-d="399">remind </span><span data-m="721230" data-d="90">us </span><span data-m="721820" data-d="100">of </span><span data-m="721921" data-d="360">this </span><span data-m="722282" data-d="490">duality </span><span data-m="722773" data-d="139">of </span><span data-m="723060" data-d="529">technology. </span><span data-m="724400" data-d="409">And </span><span data-m="724870" data-d="190">on </span><span data-m="725060" data-d="139">the </span><span data-m="725200" data-d="279">other </span><span data-m="725480" data-d="500">hand, </span><span data-m="727000" data-d="100">over </span><span data-m="727270" data-d="129">the </span><span data-m="727440" data-d="250">past </span><span data-m="727690" data-d="139">few </span><span data-m="727830" data-d="330">years, </span><span data-m="728160" data-d="149">we </span><span data-m="728439" data-d="29">have </span><span data-m="728469" data-d="470">seen </span><span data-m="729170" data-d="9">a </span><span data-m="729179" data-d="700">remarkable </span><span data-m="729929" data-d="610">increase </span><span data-m="730580" data-d="399">of </span><span data-m="731429" data-d="889">technology, </span><span data-m="732670" data-d="720">technological </span><span data-m="733391" data-d="409">adoption </span><span data-m="734120" data-d="220">and </span><span data-m="734360" data-d="490">Internet </span><span data-m="734851" data-d="419">usage </span><span data-m="735280" data-d="580">globally. </span><span data-m="736690" data-d="490">And </span><span data-m="737240" data-d="419">when </span><span data-m="737680" data-d="210">we </span><span data-m="737891" data-d="340">speak </span><span data-m="738260" data-d="379">of, </span><span data-m="738770" data-d="179">for </span><span data-m="738950" data-d="529">example, </span><span data-m="739730" data-d="210">the </span><span data-m="740420" data-d="39">CSO </span><span data-m="740460" data-d="620">context, </span><span data-m="741520" data-d="230">most </span><span data-m="741750" data-d="190">of </span><span data-m="741940" data-d="230">them </span><span data-m="742170" data-d="179">have </span><span data-m="742350" data-d="179">been </span><span data-m="742530" data-d="320">forced </span><span data-m="742850" data-d="100">to </span><span data-m="742950" data-d="159">sort </span><span data-m="743110" data-d="139">of </span><span data-m="743250" data-d="509">rethink </span><span data-m="744540" data-d="299">or </span><span data-m="744890" data-d="370">even </span><span data-m="745260" data-d="419">develop </span><span data-m="745720" data-d="220">new </span><span data-m="745940" data-d="629">strategies </span><span data-m="746610" data-d="120">to </span><span data-m="746730" data-d="169">sort </span><span data-m="746900" data-d="149">of </span><span data-m="747110" data-d="570">adjust </span><span data-m="747740" data-d="379">this </span><span data-m="748530" data-d="149">paradigm </span><span data-m="748680" data-d="230">shift </span><span data-m="748910" data-d="30">when </span><span data-m="749110" data-d="110">it </span><span data-m="749259" data-d="289">comes </span><span data-m="749550" data-d="309">to </span><span data-m="750030" data-d="600">technology. </span><span data-m="751299" data-d="289">And </span><span data-m="751590" data-d="129">this </span><span data-m="751719" data-d="120">is </span><span data-m="751840" data-d="210">very </span><span data-m="752051" data-d="429">important </span><span data-m="752490" data-d="649">because </span><span data-m="753210" data-d="149">they </span><span data-m="753370" data-d="200">have </span><span data-m="753580" data-d="110">to </span><span data-m="753690" data-d="139">do </span><span data-m="753830" data-d="230">this </span><span data-m="754480" data-d="100">in </span><span data-m="754581" data-d="100">order </span><span data-m="754682" data-d="129">to </span><span data-m="754812" data-d="179">be </span><span data-m="754992" data-d="340">able </span><span data-m="755333" data-d="149">to </span><span data-m="755483" data-d="750">effectively </span><span data-m="756234" data-d="470">address </span><span data-m="756705" data-d="629">societal </span><span data-m="757335" data-d="509">issues </span><span data-m="758210" data-d="250">as </span><span data-m="758460" data-d="159">they </span><span data-m="758620" data-d="779">converge </span><span data-m="759430" data-d="200">with </span><span data-m="759920" data-d="19">the </span><span data-m="759939" data-d="240">digital </span><span data-m="760180" data-d="370">world. </span><span data-m="760750" data-d="590">So </span><span data-m="761920" data-d="240">I </span><span data-m="762160" data-d="269">think </span><span data-m="762500" data-d="100">it's </span><span data-m="762601" data-d="279">very, </span><span data-m="762881" data-d="289">very </span><span data-m="763560" data-d="100">important </span><span data-m="763661" data-d="100">as </span><span data-m="763762" data-d="759">technologsts </span><span data-m="764522" data-d="149">to </span><span data-m="764672" data-d="330">come </span><span data-m="765003" data-d="370">in </span><span data-m="765374" data-d="440">and </span><span data-m="767380" data-d="269">give </span><span data-m="767670" data-d="220">that </span><span data-m="767910" data-d="500">capacity </span><span data-m="768410" data-d="389">building </span><span data-m="768809" data-d="139">to </span><span data-m="768950" data-d="149">see </span><span data-m="769099" data-d="59">a </span><span data-m="769160" data-d="259">source </span><span data-m="769460" data-d="190">like </span><span data-m="769690" data-d="269">this </span><span data-m="769960" data-d="100">to </span><span data-m="770061" data-d="350">ensure </span><span data-m="770412" data-d="309">that </span><span data-m="771149" data-d="210">the </span><span data-m="771459" data-d="149">work </span><span data-m="771849" data-d="250">is </span><span data-m="772180" data-d="779">relevant </span><span data-m="773230" data-d="669">and </span><span data-m="774450" data-d="100">the </span><span data-m="774551" data-d="230">work </span><span data-m="774782" data-d="210">is </span><span data-m="774993" data-d="629">relevant </span><span data-m="776470" data-d="169">in </span><span data-m="776640" data-d="120">the </span><span data-m="776760" data-d="240">long </span><span data-m="777000" data-d="320">term. </span><span data-m="777520" data-d="559">So </span><span data-m="778709" data-d="350">that's </span><span data-m="779099" data-d="230">that's </span><span data-m="779329" data-d="139">what </span><span data-m="779469" data-d="39">I </span><span data-m="779509" data-d="170">have </span><span data-m="779729" data-d="50">to </span><span data-m="779780" data-d="259">say. </span></p>
<p><span class="speaker" data-m="780699" data-d="0">Hanan: </span><span data-m="780699" data-d="189">Tarcizio, </span><span data-m="782389" data-d="120">I </span><span data-m="782510" data-d="190">saw </span><span data-m="782700" data-d="149">you </span><span data-m="782880" data-d="320">nodding </span><span data-m="783200" data-d="139">your </span><span data-m="783340" data-d="250">head </span><span data-m="783590" data-d="70">a </span><span data-m="783660" data-d="350">lot. </span></p>
<p><span class="speaker" data-m="786290" data-d="0">Tarcizio: </span><span data-m="786290" data-d="529">Yeah, </span><span data-m="787360" data-d="120">I </span><span data-m="787480" data-d="330">think </span><span data-m="790619" data-d="240">the </span><span data-m="790900" data-d="269">things </span><span data-m="791190" data-d="240">that </span><span data-m="791430" data-d="299">Brian </span><span data-m="791730" data-d="389">said </span><span data-m="792150" data-d="429">about </span><span data-m="793390" data-d="19">the </span><span data-m="793410" data-d="389">idea </span><span data-m="793860" data-d="169">of </span><span data-m="794030" data-d="70">a </span><span data-m="794100" data-d="440">neutral </span><span data-m="794540" data-d="799">technology, </span><span data-m="795450" data-d="210">it's </span><span data-m="795660" data-d="450">something </span><span data-m="796110" data-d="179">that </span><span data-m="796290" data-d="230">I </span><span data-m="796660" data-d="379">really </span><span data-m="797040" data-d="129">need </span><span data-m="797630" data-d="19">to </span><span data-m="797650" data-d="480">address </span><span data-m="798190" data-d="389">here </span><span data-m="798780" data-d="179">in </span><span data-m="798960" data-d="139">my </span><span data-m="799100" data-d="629">project </span><span data-m="799770" data-d="220">and </span><span data-m="799990" data-d="120">in </span><span data-m="800110" data-d="500">the </span><span data-m="801139" data-d="179">in </span><span data-m="801320" data-d="120">the </span><span data-m="801460" data-d="610">Brazil </span><span data-m="802090" data-d="710">discussion </span><span data-m="802889" data-d="309">around </span><span data-m="803210" data-d="330">that </span><span data-m="804070" data-d="679">because </span><span data-m="804799" data-d="179">I </span><span data-m="804980" data-d="309">agree </span><span data-m="805330" data-d="179">that </span><span data-m="805520" data-d="629">technology </span><span data-m="806150" data-d="110">is </span><span data-m="806261" data-d="519">embedded </span><span data-m="807030" data-d="220">in </span><span data-m="807250" data-d="620">everything </span><span data-m="807969" data-d="190">we </span><span data-m="808160" data-d="169">do </span><span data-m="808359" data-d="700">nowadays </span><span data-m="809129" data-d="240">and </span><span data-m="809369" data-d="200">can </span><span data-m="809580" data-d="210">be </span><span data-m="809791" data-d="120">a </span><span data-m="809949" data-d="840">catalyst </span><span data-m="811010" data-d="250">for </span><span data-m="811260" data-d="309">human </span><span data-m="811570" data-d="490">rights </span><span data-m="812370" data-d="350">but </span><span data-m="812880" data-d="490">also </span><span data-m="814010" data-d="200">can </span><span data-m="814210" data-d="179">be </span><span data-m="814390" data-d="80">a </span><span data-m="814470" data-d="639">catalyst </span><span data-m="815120" data-d="820">for </span><span data-m="816000" data-d="500">harms, </span><span data-m="816500" data-d="169">for </span><span data-m="817370" data-d="100">societal </span><span data-m="817471" data-d="470">harms </span><span data-m="817942" data-d="129">or </span><span data-m="818072" data-d="120">the </span><span data-m="818193" data-d="610">promotion </span><span data-m="818804" data-d="289">of </span><span data-m="819139" data-d="590">inequality. </span><span data-m="820710" data-d="370">So </span><span data-m="821480" data-d="100">as </span><span data-m="821581" data-d="70">a </span><span data-m="821652" data-d="600">society, </span><span data-m="822253" data-d="149">we </span><span data-m="822403" data-d="320">think </span><span data-m="822724" data-d="120">we </span><span data-m="822845" data-d="159">need </span><span data-m="823005" data-d="19">to </span><span data-m="823220" data-d="659">engage </span><span data-m="824080" data-d="490">fully </span><span data-m="824650" data-d="340">with </span><span data-m="825040" data-d="750">technology </span><span data-m="826809" data-d="220">in </span><span data-m="827029" data-d="379">several </span><span data-m="827410" data-d="539">layers </span><span data-m="828690" data-d="200">from </span><span data-m="828910" data-d="309">using </span><span data-m="829220" data-d="720">technology </span><span data-m="830010" data-d="240">as </span><span data-m="830250" data-d="80">a </span><span data-m="830330" data-d="340">tool </span><span data-m="830780" data-d="179">to </span><span data-m="831479" data-d="370">critically </span><span data-m="832199" data-d="460">understand </span><span data-m="832660" data-d="19">how </span><span data-m="832680" data-d="19">to </span><span data-m="832699" data-d="230">maintain </span><span data-m="833110" data-d="9">or </span><span data-m="833200" data-d="409">how </span><span data-m="835020" data-d="80">to </span><span data-m="835100" data-d="559">question </span><span data-m="835770" data-d="899">inequalities. </span><span data-m="837110" data-d="610">So </span><span data-m="837780" data-d="159">to </span><span data-m="837940" data-d="360">me, </span><span data-m="839010" data-d="159">the </span><span data-m="839170" data-d="350">most </span><span data-m="839520" data-d="629">important </span><span data-m="840150" data-d="210">thing </span><span data-m="840380" data-d="460">about </span><span data-m="840849" data-d="690">technology </span><span data-m="841770" data-d="100">and </span><span data-m="841871" data-d="399">social </span><span data-m="842271" data-d="429">justice, </span><span data-m="842701" data-d="220">is </span><span data-m="843460" data-d="360">how </span><span data-m="844540" data-d="100">to </span><span data-m="844640" data-d="409">promote </span><span data-m="845580" data-d="200">the </span><span data-m="845789" data-d="1000">possibility </span><span data-m="846939" data-d="320">of </span><span data-m="847269" data-d="899">different </span><span data-m="848590" data-d="539">social </span><span data-m="849130" data-d="559">technical </span><span data-m="849690" data-d="110">imaginaries. </span><span data-m="850920" data-d="100">Or </span><span data-m="851190" data-d="269">how </span><span data-m="851490" data-d="289">can </span><span data-m="852380" data-d="100">we </span><span data-m="852481" data-d="220">think </span><span data-m="852702" data-d="409">about </span><span data-m="853112" data-d="529">different </span><span data-m="853642" data-d="669">futures </span><span data-m="854710" data-d="350">that </span><span data-m="855400" data-d="100">with </span><span data-m="855501" data-d="799">technology, </span><span data-m="856599" data-d="289">you </span><span data-m="856950" data-d="309">use </span><span data-m="857259" data-d="250">it </span><span data-m="857580" data-d="309">as </span><span data-m="857889" data-d="690">a </span><span data-m="858779" data-d="299">thing </span><span data-m="859099" data-d="80">for </span><span data-m="859349" data-d="129">the </span><span data-m="859520" data-d="320">common </span><span data-m="859840" data-d="259">good? </span></p>
<p><span class="speaker" data-m="860900" data-d="0">Tarcizio: </span><span data-m="860900" data-d="399">So </span><span data-m="861320" data-d="210">this </span><span data-m="861559" data-d="440">means, </span><span data-m="862010" data-d="220">in </span><span data-m="862230" data-d="460">my </span><span data-m="862719" data-d="370">view, </span><span data-m="863119" data-d="379">that </span><span data-m="863520" data-d="610">technology </span><span data-m="864131" data-d="179">can </span><span data-m="864311" data-d="149">be </span><span data-m="864460" data-d="409">open, </span><span data-m="865240" data-d="840">affordable </span><span data-m="866510" data-d="299">and </span><span data-m="867010" data-d="879">appropriated </span><span data-m="868070" data-d="230">in </span><span data-m="868300" data-d="80">a </span><span data-m="868380" data-d="279">way </span><span data-m="868660" data-d="159">to </span><span data-m="869390" data-d="100">work </span><span data-m="869491" data-d="549">for </span><span data-m="870041" data-d="309">this </span><span data-m="870351" data-d="330">common </span><span data-m="870682" data-d="330">good. </span><span data-m="871660" data-d="210">And </span><span data-m="872130" data-d="460">even </span><span data-m="872590" data-d="139">in </span><span data-m="872730" data-d="250">some </span><span data-m="872980" data-d="679">cases, </span><span data-m="873690" data-d="669">technology </span><span data-m="874360" data-d="230">can </span><span data-m="874590" data-d="220">be </span><span data-m="874811" data-d="639">refused. </span><span data-m="875450" data-d="19">For </span><span data-m="876450" data-d="309">example, </span><span data-m="876760" data-d="19">in </span><span data-m="876950" data-d="139">the </span><span data-m="877090" data-d="309">case </span><span data-m="877699" data-d="300">o </span><span data-m="878480" data-d="529">surveillance </span><span data-m="879700" data-d="679">technologies </span><span data-m="880750" data-d="230">here </span><span data-m="880980" data-d="80">in </span><span data-m="881469" data-d="100">Brazil, </span><span data-m="881570" data-d="190">for </span><span data-m="881761" data-d="570">example, </span><span data-m="882389" data-d="110">a </span><span data-m="882500" data-d="220">lot </span><span data-m="882860" data-d="490">of </span><span data-m="884050" data-d="519">governments </span><span data-m="884740" data-d="159">are </span><span data-m="884900" data-d="649">using </span><span data-m="886349" data-d="390">facial </span><span data-m="886910" data-d="809">recognition </span><span data-m="888120" data-d="220">in </span><span data-m="888670" data-d="100">a </span><span data-m="888771" data-d="820">very </span><span data-m="889592" data-d="720">harmful </span><span data-m="890313" data-d="360">way </span><span data-m="890860" data-d="529">without </span><span data-m="891389" data-d="90">the </span><span data-m="891520" data-d="769">participation </span><span data-m="892330" data-d="340">of </span><span data-m="892670" data-d="399">the </span><span data-m="893099" data-d="309">civil </span><span data-m="893420" data-d="460">society. </span><span data-m="894759" data-d="210">So </span><span data-m="894969" data-d="129">in </span><span data-m="895099" data-d="580">Brazil, </span><span data-m="896330" data-d="820">technology </span><span data-m="897530" data-d="90">and </span><span data-m="897620" data-d="690">racism </span><span data-m="898990" data-d="730">remains </span><span data-m="899780" data-d="409">taboo. </span><span data-m="900590" data-d="409">We </span><span data-m="901020" data-d="580">don't </span><span data-m="901630" data-d="629">discuss </span><span data-m="902290" data-d="730">technology </span><span data-m="903070" data-d="259">or </span><span data-m="903340" data-d="379">racial </span><span data-m="903720" data-d="669">justice </span><span data-m="904680" data-d="230">in </span><span data-m="904910" data-d="80">a </span><span data-m="904990" data-d="230">way </span><span data-m="905220" data-d="19">to </span><span data-m="905490" data-d="490">include </span><span data-m="906220" data-d="620">everyone. </span><span data-m="907420" data-d="840">So </span><span data-m="908290" data-d="159">in </span><span data-m="908450" data-d="149">my </span><span data-m="908599" data-d="590">project, </span><span data-m="909210" data-d="200">we </span><span data-m="909410" data-d="139">are </span><span data-m="909550" data-d="429">trying </span><span data-m="909990" data-d="19">to </span><span data-m="910560" data-d="390">talk </span><span data-m="911120" data-d="409">about </span><span data-m="911530" data-d="450">some </span><span data-m="912910" data-d="660">issues </span><span data-m="913780" data-d="500">around </span><span data-m="914370" data-d="299">how </span><span data-m="914670" data-d="389">racial </span><span data-m="915059" data-d="679">justice </span><span data-m="916289" data-d="269">is </span><span data-m="916559" data-d="669">connected </span><span data-m="917350" data-d="220">with </span><span data-m="917580" data-d="960">technology, </span><span data-m="918670" data-d="259">and </span><span data-m="918930" data-d="200">this </span><span data-m="919130" data-d="309">means </span><span data-m="919440" data-d="100">to </span><span data-m="919541" data-d="100">discuss </span><span data-m="919642" data-d="100">how </span><span data-m="919743" data-d="100">technology </span><span data-m="919844" data-d="100">is </span><span data-m="919945" data-d="100">not </span><span data-m="920046" data-d="100">neutral </span><span data-m="920147" data-d="100">and </span><span data-m="920248" data-d="100">how </span><span data-m="920349" data-d="100">the </span><span data-m="920450" data-d="100">institutional </span><span data-m="920551" data-d="19">in </span><span data-m="920571" data-d="720">structural </span><span data-m="921292" data-d="129">racism </span><span data-m="921422" data-d="19">in </span><span data-m="928950" data-d="360">Brazil </span><span data-m="929320" data-d="529">works. </span><span data-m="930200" data-d="629">So </span><span data-m="930920" data-d="389">when </span><span data-m="932219" data-d="220">we </span><span data-m="932440" data-d="190">will </span><span data-m="932630" data-d="230">be </span><span data-m="932860" data-d="250">able </span><span data-m="933110" data-d="169">to </span><span data-m="933280" data-d="870">discuss </span><span data-m="934369" data-d="289">these </span><span data-m="934660" data-d="200">two </span><span data-m="934861" data-d="490">areas </span><span data-m="935379" data-d="230">and </span><span data-m="935609" data-d="600">connect, </span><span data-m="936549" data-d="210">we </span><span data-m="936760" data-d="230">can </span><span data-m="937010" data-d="340">think </span><span data-m="937780" data-d="159">of </span><span data-m="938000" data-d="120">a </span><span data-m="938120" data-d="360">better </span><span data-m="938500" data-d="559">future </span><span data-m="939520" data-d="350">where </span><span data-m="940500" data-d="809">technology, </span><span data-m="941520" data-d="649">helps </span><span data-m="942520" data-d="429">racial </span><span data-m="942950" data-d="669">justice </span><span data-m="943910" data-d="559">instead </span><span data-m="944480" data-d="149">of </span><span data-m="944660" data-d="139">the </span><span data-m="944800" data-d="360">opposite. </span></p>
<p><span class="speaker" data-m="945160" data-d="0">Hanan: </span><span data-m="945160" data-d="59">Jessica, </span><span data-m="949809" data-d="340">I'll </span><span data-m="950150" data-d="259">ask </span><span data-m="950410" data-d="129">you </span><span data-m="950540" data-d="159">your </span><span data-m="950700" data-d="399">opinion </span><span data-m="951099" data-d="179">as </span><span data-m="951280" data-d="340">well, </span><span data-m="952190" data-d="199">but </span><span data-m="952559" data-d="299">maybe </span><span data-m="952859" data-d="350">before </span><span data-m="953209" data-d="210">that </span><span data-m="953420" data-d="220">I'd </span><span data-m="954049" data-d="100">just </span><span data-m="954150" data-d="220">be </span><span data-m="954371" data-d="440">interested </span><span data-m="954812" data-d="129">to </span><span data-m="954942" data-d="350">hear </span><span data-m="955293" data-d="190">from </span><span data-m="955484" data-d="250">Brian </span><span data-m="955850" data-d="100">and </span><span data-m="955951" data-d="149">Tarcizio </span><span data-m="956560" data-d="200">if </span><span data-m="956760" data-d="169">you </span><span data-m="956940" data-d="350">always </span><span data-m="957300" data-d="259">held </span><span data-m="957560" data-d="129">that </span><span data-m="957750" data-d="389">view </span><span data-m="958170" data-d="139">or </span><span data-m="958310" data-d="179">did </span><span data-m="958490" data-d="379">something </span><span data-m="958870" data-d="600">change </span><span data-m="959470" data-d="120">to </span><span data-m="959590" data-d="220">make </span><span data-m="959810" data-d="139">you </span><span data-m="959950" data-d="289">feel </span><span data-m="960240" data-d="179">that </span><span data-m="960420" data-d="340">way? </span></p>
<p><span class="speaker" data-m="967559" data-d="0">Brian: </span><span data-m="967559" data-d="350">I </span><span data-m="967969" data-d="279">think </span><span data-m="968250" data-d="139">as </span><span data-m="968699" data-d="270">a </span><span data-m="968970" data-d="959">technologist, </span><span data-m="970900" data-d="139">I </span><span data-m="971039" data-d="350">never </span><span data-m="971400" data-d="250">held </span><span data-m="971650" data-d="200">that </span><span data-m="971900" data-d="330">view, </span><span data-m="972290" data-d="279">or </span><span data-m="972590" data-d="240">if </span><span data-m="972830" data-d="129">I </span><span data-m="972990" data-d="289">did, </span><span data-m="973330" data-d="240">it </span><span data-m="973571" data-d="250">was </span><span data-m="973822" data-d="299">very </span><span data-m="974122" data-d="250">very </span><span data-m="974390" data-d="500">dormant. </span><span data-m="975610" data-d="379">And </span><span data-m="976010" data-d="320">it's </span><span data-m="976350" data-d="659">because </span><span data-m="977710" data-d="340">when </span><span data-m="978050" data-d="80">I </span><span data-m="978130" data-d="340">started </span><span data-m="978470" data-d="100">my </span><span data-m="978570" data-d="399">career </span><span data-m="978980" data-d="379">started </span><span data-m="979360" data-d="159">as </span><span data-m="979520" data-d="149">a </span><span data-m="979700" data-d="370">software </span><span data-m="980070" data-d="519">engineer, </span><span data-m="980639" data-d="200">then </span><span data-m="980849" data-d="690">transitioned </span><span data-m="981570" data-d="799">into </span><span data-m="982380" data-d="9">cybersecurity, </span><span data-m="984639" data-d="220">and </span><span data-m="984860" data-d="110">I'll </span><span data-m="984971" data-d="220">give </span><span data-m="985200" data-d="279">one </span><span data-m="985509" data-d="509">practical </span><span data-m="986020" data-d="649">example </span><span data-m="986679" data-d="429">from </span><span data-m="987120" data-d="240">from </span><span data-m="987360" data-d="149">my </span><span data-m="987770" data-d="100">own </span><span data-m="987871" data-d="679">context. </span><span data-m="989369" data-d="259">I </span><span data-m="989629" data-d="259">used </span><span data-m="989900" data-d="240">to </span><span data-m="990340" data-d="100">sort </span><span data-m="990441" data-d="179">of </span><span data-m="990621" data-d="639">publish </span><span data-m="991550" data-d="559">multiple </span><span data-m="992130" data-d="350">tools </span><span data-m="992520" data-d="200">that </span><span data-m="992720" data-d="289">are </span><span data-m="993050" data-d="340">maybe </span><span data-m="993390" data-d="350">meant </span><span data-m="993800" data-d="470">to </span><span data-m="994819" data-d="210">carry </span><span data-m="995030" data-d="60">out </span><span data-m="995260" data-d="360">some </span><span data-m="995680" data-d="480">aspects </span><span data-m="996160" data-d="70">of </span><span data-m="996380" data-d="100">cyber </span><span data-m="996600" data-d="620">security </span><span data-m="997720" data-d="240">such </span><span data-m="998230" data-d="100">as, </span><span data-m="998331" data-d="379">say, </span><span data-m="998711" data-d="649">penetration </span><span data-m="999361" data-d="830">testing </span><span data-m="1000192" data-d="179">and </span><span data-m="1000372" data-d="169">what </span><span data-m="1000570" data-d="379">not. </span><span data-m="1001630" data-d="679">And </span><span data-m="1002860" data-d="480">before </span><span data-m="1004460" data-d="409">joining </span><span data-m="1004870" data-d="110">the </span><span data-m="1004980" data-d="629">fellowship, </span><span data-m="1005799" data-d="309">I </span><span data-m="1006250" data-d="299">really, </span><span data-m="1006549" data-d="269">really </span><span data-m="1006830" data-d="360">didn't </span><span data-m="1007529" data-d="399">think </span><span data-m="1008289" data-d="240">much </span><span data-m="1008540" data-d="480">about </span><span data-m="1009710" data-d="369">content </span><span data-m="1010250" data-d="9">I </span><span data-m="1010260" data-d="120">had </span><span data-m="1010380" data-d="490">published </span><span data-m="1010870" data-d="570">online </span><span data-m="1011490" data-d="309">or </span><span data-m="1011810" data-d="590">how, </span><span data-m="1012690" data-d="389">who </span><span data-m="1013140" data-d="340">or </span><span data-m="1013570" data-d="240">how </span><span data-m="1013810" data-d="509">possibly </span><span data-m="1014320" data-d="149">my </span><span data-m="1014470" data-d="370">tools </span><span data-m="1014840" data-d="200">could </span><span data-m="1015040" data-d="80">be </span><span data-m="1015120" data-d="409">used. </span></p>
<p><span class="speaker" data-m="1016240" data-d="0">Brian: </span><span data-m="1016240" data-d="580">And </span><span data-m="1016950" data-d="399">when </span><span data-m="1017349" data-d="320">I </span><span data-m="1017719" data-d="289">came </span><span data-m="1018010" data-d="259">into </span><span data-m="1018270" data-d="259">this </span><span data-m="1018570" data-d="730">context </span><span data-m="1019380" data-d="320">of </span><span data-m="1019710" data-d="340">trying </span><span data-m="1020050" data-d="139">to </span><span data-m="1020190" data-d="399">ensure </span><span data-m="1020599" data-d="169">long </span><span data-m="1020770" data-d="100">term </span><span data-m="1022049" data-d="39">cyber </span><span data-m="1022090" data-d="690">security </span><span data-m="1022780" data-d="649">resilience </span><span data-m="1023440" data-d="259">for </span><span data-m="1024210" data-d="9">CSOs </span><span data-m="1024879" data-d="200">and </span><span data-m="1025079" data-d="329">looking </span><span data-m="1025410" data-d="170">at </span><span data-m="1026540" data-d="19">how </span><span data-m="1026560" data-d="259">open </span><span data-m="1026819" data-d="279">source </span><span data-m="1027099" data-d="380">tools </span><span data-m="1027550" data-d="609">published </span><span data-m="1028240" data-d="180">by </span><span data-m="1028420" data-d="69">cybersecurity </span><span data-m="1029270" data-d="380">researchers </span><span data-m="1029819" data-d="269">like </span><span data-m="1030089" data-d="589">myself </span><span data-m="1031050" data-d="339">help </span><span data-m="1031800" data-d="740">perpetuate </span><span data-m="1033430" data-d="220">some </span><span data-m="1033650" data-d="150">of </span><span data-m="1033800" data-d="369">these </span><span data-m="1034190" data-d="579">problems </span><span data-m="1034800" data-d="230">that </span><span data-m="1036869" data-d="170">we </span><span data-m="1037040" data-d="39">are </span><span data-m="1037079" data-d="380">trying </span><span data-m="1037469" data-d="240">to... </span><span data-m="1037770" data-d="279">We're </span><span data-m="1038050" data-d="279">trying </span><span data-m="1038329" data-d="130">to </span><span data-m="1038460" data-d="400">stop </span><span data-m="1038861" data-d="470">now </span><span data-m="1039809" data-d="140">it </span><span data-m="1039950" data-d="259">just </span><span data-m="1040790" data-d="70">opened </span><span data-m="1041030" data-d="170">my </span><span data-m="1041240" data-d="430">eyes </span><span data-m="1041730" data-d="240">in </span><span data-m="1041971" data-d="279">that </span><span data-m="1043209" data-d="289">there's </span><span data-m="1043670" data-d="240">that </span><span data-m="1043920" data-d="410">element </span><span data-m="1044331" data-d="109">of </span><span data-m="1044460" data-d="519">duality </span><span data-m="1044980" data-d="160">when </span><span data-m="1045140" data-d="109">it </span><span data-m="1045290" data-d="359">comes </span><span data-m="1045650" data-d="359">to </span><span data-m="1046030" data-d="200">when </span><span data-m="1046230" data-d="89">it </span><span data-m="1046359" data-d="220">comes </span><span data-m="1046579" data-d="119">to </span><span data-m="1046700" data-d="789">technology, </span><span data-m="1047550" data-d="319">and </span><span data-m="1048270" data-d="190">you </span><span data-m="1048460" data-d="170">may </span><span data-m="1048630" data-d="279">mean </span><span data-m="1048910" data-d="259">well, </span><span data-m="1049170" data-d="170">when </span><span data-m="1049340" data-d="109">you're </span><span data-m="1049450" data-d="299">trying </span><span data-m="1049760" data-d="89">to </span><span data-m="1049850" data-d="180">do </span><span data-m="1050030" data-d="569">something, </span><span data-m="1050610" data-d="309">but </span><span data-m="1051130" data-d="240">your </span><span data-m="1051370" data-d="269">tool </span><span data-m="1051640" data-d="180">can </span><span data-m="1051850" data-d="519">potentially </span><span data-m="1052370" data-d="130">be </span><span data-m="1052500" data-d="309">used </span><span data-m="1052809" data-d="109">to </span><span data-m="1052920" data-d="299">harm </span><span data-m="1053270" data-d="440">others. </span><span data-m="1054320" data-d="390">So </span><span data-m="1054750" data-d="210">it </span><span data-m="1054960" data-d="29">was </span><span data-m="1055170" data-d="179">sort </span><span data-m="1055350" data-d="170">of </span><span data-m="1055520" data-d="29">like </span><span data-m="1056490" data-d="349">an </span><span data-m="1056910" data-d="200">eye </span><span data-m="1057110" data-d="690">opening </span><span data-m="1057870" data-d="779">revelation </span><span data-m="1058750" data-d="390">that </span><span data-m="1060250" data-d="130">I </span><span data-m="1060381" data-d="750">experienced </span><span data-m="1061209" data-d="170">and </span><span data-m="1061490" data-d="100">I </span><span data-m="1061591" data-d="180">also </span><span data-m="1061772" data-d="180">went </span><span data-m="1061953" data-d="109">on </span><span data-m="1062063" data-d="109">to </span><span data-m="1062769" data-d="39">clean </span><span data-m="1063180" data-d="220">all </span><span data-m="1063400" data-d="79">the </span><span data-m="1063480" data-d="349">tools </span><span data-m="1063980" data-d="9">I </span><span data-m="1063990" data-d="169">had </span><span data-m="1064159" data-d="490">published </span><span data-m="1064659" data-d="120">as </span><span data-m="1064780" data-d="200">well. </span></p>
<p><span class="speaker" data-m="1067570" data-d="0">Hanan: </span><span data-m="1067570" data-d="259">Thanks </span><span data-m="1067889" data-d="70">for </span><span data-m="1067960" data-d="389">that. </span></p>
<p><span class="speaker" data-m="1069290" data-d="0">Brian: </span><span data-m="1069290" data-d="279">And </span><span data-m="1069570" data-d="409">Tarcizio </span><span data-m="1070280" data-d="149">what </span><span data-m="1070520" data-d="179">about </span><span data-m="1070870" data-d="160">you? </span></p>
<p><span class="speaker" data-m="1073740" data-d="0">Tarcizio: </span><span data-m="1073740" data-d="400">Yeah, </span><span data-m="1074190" data-d="470">I've </span><span data-m="1074719" data-d="339">had </span><span data-m="1075059" data-d="490">some </span><span data-m="1075559" data-d="529">similar </span><span data-m="1076110" data-d="849">experience </span><span data-m="1076980" data-d="309">in </span><span data-m="1077290" data-d="89">a </span><span data-m="1077380" data-d="309">way </span><span data-m="1077710" data-d="460">that </span><span data-m="1078529" data-d="779">for </span><span data-m="1079320" data-d="309">some </span><span data-m="1079629" data-d="470">years </span><span data-m="1080160" data-d="289">I've </span><span data-m="1080970" data-d="539">only </span><span data-m="1081510" data-d="650">saw </span><span data-m="1082190" data-d="319">the </span><span data-m="1082550" data-d="750">positive </span><span data-m="1083340" data-d="569">impact </span><span data-m="1083920" data-d="150">of </span><span data-m="1084100" data-d="750">technology </span><span data-m="1085220" data-d="690">because </span><span data-m="1085940" data-d="119">I </span><span data-m="1086060" data-d="259">was </span><span data-m="1086320" data-d="299">raised </span><span data-m="1087010" data-d="210">in </span><span data-m="1087220" data-d="79">a </span><span data-m="1087340" data-d="299">very </span><span data-m="1087640" data-d="329">poor </span><span data-m="1088000" data-d="380">community, </span><span data-m="1089230" data-d="440">and </span><span data-m="1089670" data-d="210">I've </span><span data-m="1089880" data-d="289">use </span><span data-m="1090170" data-d="339">it </span><span data-m="1090820" data-d="970">technology, </span><span data-m="1091899" data-d="230">the </span><span data-m="1092129" data-d="720">Internet </span><span data-m="1093099" data-d="100">and </span><span data-m="1093200" data-d="329">social </span><span data-m="1093530" data-d="480">media </span><span data-m="1094299" data-d="19">to </span><span data-m="1094719" data-d="429">build </span><span data-m="1095219" data-d="149">a </span><span data-m="1095369" data-d="600">career </span><span data-m="1096230" data-d="289">that </span><span data-m="1096549" data-d="200">my </span><span data-m="1096760" data-d="630">parents </span><span data-m="1097420" data-d="210">and </span><span data-m="1097780" data-d="469">relatives </span><span data-m="1098500" data-d="150">didn't </span><span data-m="1098660" data-d="250">have </span><span data-m="1098911" data-d="119">the </span><span data-m="1099031" data-d="589">opportunity </span><span data-m="1099890" data-d="19">to </span><span data-m="1099910" data-d="269">have </span><span data-m="1100700" data-d="240">and </span><span data-m="1100940" data-d="109">to </span><span data-m="1101060" data-d="230">have </span><span data-m="1101290" data-d="9">a </span><span data-m="1101450" data-d="449">graduate </span><span data-m="1103250" data-d="470">course </span><span data-m="1104260" data-d="230">and </span><span data-m="1104500" data-d="100">postgraduate </span><span data-m="1104601" data-d="39">course </span><span data-m="1104641" data-d="29">and </span><span data-m="1104671" data-d="430">alike, </span><span data-m="1105102" data-d="210">and </span><span data-m="1105313" data-d="319">even </span><span data-m="1105640" data-d="419">true </span><span data-m="1106580" data-d="310">entrepreneur </span><span data-m="1107200" data-d="180">in </span><span data-m="1107380" data-d="389">the </span><span data-m="1107820" data-d="390">field </span><span data-m="1108240" data-d="190">of </span><span data-m="1108450" data-d="589">technology </span><span data-m="1109210" data-d="100">and </span><span data-m="1109311" data-d="390">social </span><span data-m="1109702" data-d="250">media </span><span data-m="1109953" data-d="509">research. </span><span data-m="1111190" data-d="460">But </span><span data-m="1112500" data-d="190">during </span><span data-m="1112690" data-d="140">the </span><span data-m="1112830" data-d="309">last </span><span data-m="1113139" data-d="700">decades </span><span data-m="1114049" data-d="19">we </span><span data-m="1114070" data-d="19">saw </span><span data-m="1114090" data-d="250">that </span><span data-m="1116139" data-d="329">this </span><span data-m="1116469" data-d="180">is </span><span data-m="1116729" data-d="740">a </span><span data-m="1118340" data-d="359">I </span><span data-m="1118730" data-d="170">don't </span><span data-m="1118900" data-d="140">know </span><span data-m="1119180" data-d="19">the </span><span data-m="1119200" data-d="579">expression </span><span data-m="1119830" data-d="279">it's </span><span data-m="1120110" data-d="150">a </span><span data-m="1120400" data-d="400">knife </span><span data-m="1120870" data-d="300">of </span><span data-m="1121200" data-d="459">two </span><span data-m="1122030" data-d="309">sides </span><span data-m="1122510" data-d="819">because </span><span data-m="1123560" data-d="190">we </span><span data-m="1123750" data-d="279">have </span><span data-m="1124120" data-d="9">a </span><span data-m="1124130" data-d="230">lot </span><span data-m="1124360" data-d="430">of </span><span data-m="1125120" data-d="1019">opportunities </span><span data-m="1126200" data-d="240">in </span><span data-m="1126670" data-d="960">individual </span><span data-m="1127639" data-d="690">sense, </span><span data-m="1128840" data-d="329">but </span><span data-m="1129200" data-d="299">when </span><span data-m="1129500" data-d="190">we </span><span data-m="1129690" data-d="309">look </span><span data-m="1130000" data-d="150">at </span><span data-m="1130150" data-d="99">the </span><span data-m="1130250" data-d="670">collective </span><span data-m="1130920" data-d="599">ways </span><span data-m="1131690" data-d="319">that </span><span data-m="1132150" data-d="579">technology </span><span data-m="1132750" data-d="629">impacts </span><span data-m="1133549" data-d="220">the </span><span data-m="1133770" data-d="430">global </span><span data-m="1134209" data-d="430">scope, </span><span data-m="1135200" data-d="180">we </span><span data-m="1135400" data-d="279">have </span><span data-m="1135710" data-d="49">a </span><span data-m="1135760" data-d="210">lot </span><span data-m="1135970" data-d="140">of </span><span data-m="1136110" data-d="759">challenges </span><span data-m="1137120" data-d="200">and </span><span data-m="1137320" data-d="160">one </span><span data-m="1137480" data-d="160">of </span><span data-m="1137770" data-d="19">the </span><span data-m="1137790" data-d="599">challenge </span><span data-m="1138670" data-d="250">is </span><span data-m="1138920" data-d="430">how </span><span data-m="1139390" data-d="569">technology </span><span data-m="1140000" data-d="180">can </span><span data-m="1140180" data-d="180">be </span><span data-m="1140360" data-d="329">used </span><span data-m="1140690" data-d="19">for </span><span data-m="1141360" data-d="559">promoting </span><span data-m="1141940" data-d="879">inequality </span><span data-m="1142820" data-d="150">and </span><span data-m="1142970" data-d="240">promoting </span><span data-m="1143599" data-d="619">racism. </span><span data-m="1144809" data-d="1160">So </span><span data-m="1146170" data-d="630">my </span><span data-m="1146969" data-d="619">change </span><span data-m="1147639" data-d="190">in </span><span data-m="1147830" data-d="170">my </span><span data-m="1148000" data-d="670">career </span><span data-m="1148770" data-d="400">happened </span><span data-m="1149170" data-d="19">in </span><span data-m="1151260" data-d="309">2018, </span><span data-m="1152100" data-d="549">because </span><span data-m="1152680" data-d="160">the </span><span data-m="1152840" data-d="769">current </span><span data-m="1153680" data-d="369">way </span><span data-m="1154050" data-d="529">that </span><span data-m="1157360" data-d="89">Brazilian </span><span data-m="1157449" data-d="100">population </span><span data-m="1157720" data-d="100">and </span><span data-m="1157821" data-d="100">politics </span><span data-m="1157922" data-d="230">is </span><span data-m="1158153" data-d="740">getting </span><span data-m="1158900" data-d="480">more </span><span data-m="1159410" data-d="930">conservative </span><span data-m="1160849" data-d="380">and </span><span data-m="1161270" data-d="880">extremist. </span><span data-m="1162550" data-d="559">So </span><span data-m="1163150" data-d="230">I'm </span><span data-m="1163380" data-d="329">trying </span><span data-m="1163710" data-d="200">to </span><span data-m="1163910" data-d="650">use </span><span data-m="1164980" data-d="929">those </span><span data-m="1166320" data-d="589">skills </span><span data-m="1166980" data-d="279">that </span><span data-m="1167420" data-d="299">I've </span><span data-m="1167810" data-d="120">accumulated </span><span data-m="1167930" data-d="19">in </span><span data-m="1167950" data-d="19">the </span><span data-m="1167970" data-d="29">work </span><span data-m="1168170" data-d="100">of </span><span data-m="1168271" data-d="490">related </span><span data-m="1170400" data-d="539">fields </span><span data-m="1171270" data-d="230">and </span><span data-m="1171500" data-d="99">in </span><span data-m="1171600" data-d="190">the </span><span data-m="1171800" data-d="539">academic </span><span data-m="1172350" data-d="99">field </span><span data-m="1173880" data-d="250">to </span><span data-m="1174150" data-d="259">make </span><span data-m="1175110" data-d="100">a </span><span data-m="1175211" data-d="100">difference </span><span data-m="1175312" data-d="180">in </span><span data-m="1175493" data-d="259">the </span><span data-m="1175753" data-d="289">civil </span><span data-m="1176043" data-d="509">society </span><span data-m="1177010" data-d="710">organizations. </span></p>
<p><span class="speaker" data-m="1179070" data-d="0">Hanan: </span><span data-m="1179070" data-d="269">Thanks </span><span data-m="1179350" data-d="740">Tarcizio. </span><span data-m="1180490" data-d="289">Jessica, </span><span data-m="1180969" data-d="250">You </span><span data-m="1181219" data-d="269">come </span><span data-m="1181490" data-d="140">at </span><span data-m="1181630" data-d="130">it </span><span data-m="1181761" data-d="190">from </span><span data-m="1181952" data-d="69">a </span><span data-m="1182022" data-d="380">slightly </span><span data-m="1182403" data-d="400">different </span><span data-m="1182809" data-d="410">background, </span><span data-m="1183230" data-d="240">don't </span><span data-m="1183471" data-d="250">you? </span></p>
<p><span class="speaker" data-m="1184900" data-d="0">Jessica: </span><span data-m="1184900" data-d="700">Yes. </span><span data-m="1186379" data-d="450">Actually, </span><span data-m="1186830" data-d="519">initially </span><span data-m="1187350" data-d="160">I </span><span data-m="1187520" data-d="509">came </span><span data-m="1188400" data-d="299">from </span><span data-m="1188700" data-d="259">a </span><span data-m="1189029" data-d="519">technology </span><span data-m="1189550" data-d="599">background </span><span data-m="1190200" data-d="269">when </span><span data-m="1190470" data-d="119">I </span><span data-m="1190590" data-d="210">was </span><span data-m="1190800" data-d="329">doing </span><span data-m="1191130" data-d="450">my </span><span data-m="1192040" data-d="319">PhD </span><span data-m="1192780" data-d="170">in </span><span data-m="1192950" data-d="380">machine </span><span data-m="1193330" data-d="400">learning. </span><span data-m="1193740" data-d="170">And </span><span data-m="1193920" data-d="150">for </span><span data-m="1194080" data-d="140">me, </span><span data-m="1194220" data-d="89">the </span><span data-m="1194310" data-d="490">eureka </span><span data-m="1194800" data-d="410">moment </span><span data-m="1195220" data-d="279">was </span><span data-m="1195510" data-d="450">then </span><span data-m="1196660" data-d="200">related </span><span data-m="1196880" data-d="250">to </span><span data-m="1197130" data-d="199">the </span><span data-m="1197390" data-d="399">risks </span><span data-m="1197810" data-d="220">of </span><span data-m="1198060" data-d="769">technology </span><span data-m="1200170" data-d="369">because </span><span data-m="1200590" data-d="170">I </span><span data-m="1200761" data-d="440">started </span><span data-m="1201210" data-d="869">discovering </span><span data-m="1202110" data-d="240">all </span><span data-m="1202360" data-d="160">the </span><span data-m="1202520" data-d="349">predictive </span><span data-m="1203650" data-d="339">power </span><span data-m="1203990" data-d="329">of </span><span data-m="1205560" data-d="629">combining </span><span data-m="1206200" data-d="409">data </span><span data-m="1206780" data-d="130">with </span><span data-m="1206940" data-d="700">computational </span><span data-m="1207710" data-d="440">power </span><span data-m="1208500" data-d="279">and </span><span data-m="1208780" data-d="349">then </span><span data-m="1210780" data-d="369">taking </span><span data-m="1211149" data-d="559">decisions </span><span data-m="1212020" data-d="100">based </span><span data-m="1212121" data-d="190">on </span><span data-m="1212312" data-d="319">that, </span><span data-m="1212632" data-d="140">for </span><span data-m="1212773" data-d="430">example, </span><span data-m="1213510" data-d="150">I </span><span data-m="1213670" data-d="480">remember </span><span data-m="1214150" data-d="210">I </span><span data-m="1214400" data-d="140">an </span><span data-m="1214540" data-d="490">academic </span><span data-m="1215050" data-d="349">paper </span><span data-m="1215400" data-d="99">I </span><span data-m="1215500" data-d="269">had </span><span data-m="1215770" data-d="269">read. </span><span data-m="1216080" data-d="230">And </span><span data-m="1216311" data-d="150">I'm </span><span data-m="1216462" data-d="259">sure </span><span data-m="1216730" data-d="240">now </span><span data-m="1216971" data-d="130">they </span><span data-m="1217102" data-d="130">are </span><span data-m="1217270" data-d="259">much </span><span data-m="1217530" data-d="200">more </span><span data-m="1217740" data-d="619">advanced </span><span data-m="1218380" data-d="329">and </span><span data-m="1219490" data-d="529">much </span><span data-m="1220020" data-d="180">more </span><span data-m="1220210" data-d="430">present. </span><span data-m="1220920" data-d="170">The </span><span data-m="1221110" data-d="529">ability </span><span data-m="1221639" data-d="349">to </span><span data-m="1222020" data-d="519">predict </span><span data-m="1222910" data-d="549">someone's </span><span data-m="1223459" data-d="740">gender, </span><span data-m="1224619" data-d="380">sexual </span><span data-m="1225429" data-d="970">preferences, </span><span data-m="1226809" data-d="1090">ethnicity, </span><span data-m="1227929" data-d="750">income, </span><span data-m="1229870" data-d="100">etcetera </span><span data-m="1229971" data-d="259">just </span><span data-m="1230231" data-d="380">from </span><span data-m="1230990" data-d="230">social </span><span data-m="1231390" data-d="359">media </span><span data-m="1231750" data-d="450">likes, </span><span data-m="1232210" data-d="170">for </span><span data-m="1232380" data-d="460">example. </span><span data-m="1232840" data-d="130">And </span><span data-m="1233550" data-d="500">how </span><span data-m="1234550" data-d="190">so </span><span data-m="1234740" data-d="670">potentially </span><span data-m="1235429" data-d="470">banks </span><span data-m="1235900" data-d="190">could </span><span data-m="1236090" data-d="299">use </span><span data-m="1236400" data-d="470">this </span><span data-m="1236889" data-d="200">in </span><span data-m="1237750" data-d="279">like </span><span data-m="1238059" data-d="210">all </span><span data-m="1238270" data-d="329">sorts </span><span data-m="1238610" data-d="180">of </span><span data-m="1238790" data-d="440">decision </span><span data-m="1239230" data-d="519">making </span><span data-m="1240459" data-d="859">platforms </span><span data-m="1241359" data-d="339">in </span><span data-m="1241699" data-d="109">the </span><span data-m="1241809" data-d="500">private </span><span data-m="1242340" data-d="220">or </span><span data-m="1242590" data-d="319">public </span><span data-m="1242930" data-d="1019">administrations </span><span data-m="1244270" data-d="339">can </span><span data-m="1244640" data-d="390">use </span><span data-m="1245060" data-d="430">this </span><span data-m="1245540" data-d="549">and </span><span data-m="1246420" data-d="180">for </span><span data-m="1246630" data-d="180">me, </span><span data-m="1246820" data-d="660">actually </span><span data-m="1248940" data-d="220">this </span><span data-m="1249160" data-d="200">is </span><span data-m="1249360" data-d="240">what </span><span data-m="1249610" data-d="240">led </span><span data-m="1249860" data-d="230">me </span><span data-m="1250099" data-d="230">not </span><span data-m="1250330" data-d="119">to </span><span data-m="1250450" data-d="269">work </span><span data-m="1250730" data-d="130">in </span><span data-m="1250860" data-d="99">the </span><span data-m="1250960" data-d="490">commercial </span><span data-m="1251480" data-d="460">sector </span><span data-m="1252010" data-d="250">in </span><span data-m="1252630" data-d="79">old </span><span data-m="1252880" data-d="339">case. </span></p>
<p><span class="speaker" data-m="1253230" data-d="0">Jessica: </span><span data-m="1253230" data-d="400">So </span><span data-m="1254440" data-d="120">in </span><span data-m="1254560" data-d="59">a </span><span data-m="1254620" data-d="240">turn </span><span data-m="1254890" data-d="190">of </span><span data-m="1255420" data-d="410">events, </span><span data-m="1256230" data-d="150">I </span><span data-m="1256380" data-d="240">was </span><span data-m="1256639" data-d="329">going </span><span data-m="1256980" data-d="170">in </span><span data-m="1257150" data-d="160">a </span><span data-m="1258500" data-d="450">academic </span><span data-m="1258970" data-d="399">research </span><span data-m="1259370" data-d="120">career. </span><span data-m="1259799" data-d="160">I </span><span data-m="1259959" data-d="519">switched </span><span data-m="1260860" data-d="240">and </span><span data-m="1261100" data-d="99">I </span><span data-m="1261209" data-d="369">couldn't </span><span data-m="1261590" data-d="190">see </span><span data-m="1261780" data-d="519">myself </span><span data-m="1262300" data-d="400">working </span><span data-m="1262710" data-d="140">in </span><span data-m="1262850" data-d="79">a </span><span data-m="1262930" data-d="529">commercial </span><span data-m="1263480" data-d="430">sector </span><span data-m="1263910" data-d="220">so </span><span data-m="1264130" data-d="130">I </span><span data-m="1264310" data-d="269">turned </span><span data-m="1264580" data-d="259">into </span><span data-m="1264840" data-d="119">the </span><span data-m="1264960" data-d="599">advocacy </span><span data-m="1265560" data-d="549">sector, </span><span data-m="1267920" data-d="420">far </span><span data-m="1268340" data-d="259">from </span><span data-m="1268599" data-d="720">technology. </span><span data-m="1269330" data-d="200">And </span><span data-m="1269530" data-d="200">it's </span><span data-m="1269740" data-d="140">the </span><span data-m="1269880" data-d="599">fellowship </span><span data-m="1270480" data-d="470">actually, </span><span data-m="1270950" data-d="230">that's </span><span data-m="1271200" data-d="450">allowing </span><span data-m="1271650" data-d="130">me </span><span data-m="1271790" data-d="410">again </span><span data-m="1272240" data-d="140">to </span><span data-m="1272380" data-d="299">bridge </span><span data-m="1272690" data-d="259">back </span><span data-m="1272980" data-d="359">my </span><span data-m="1273780" data-d="389">technical </span><span data-m="1274360" data-d="329">background </span><span data-m="1274860" data-d="160">with </span><span data-m="1275049" data-d="220">data </span><span data-m="1275569" data-d="289">and </span><span data-m="1276299" data-d="119">the </span><span data-m="1276440" data-d="750">advocacy </span><span data-m="1277549" data-d="329">and </span><span data-m="1278620" data-d="100">related </span><span data-m="1278721" data-d="130">to </span><span data-m="1278852" data-d="130">the </span><span data-m="1278983" data-d="700">question </span><span data-m="1279890" data-d="230">for </span><span data-m="1280170" data-d="380">me </span><span data-m="1280940" data-d="170">I </span><span data-m="1281110" data-d="269">don't </span><span data-m="1281800" data-d="460">even </span><span data-m="1282290" data-d="440">approve </span><span data-m="1282740" data-d="170">of </span><span data-m="1282910" data-d="59">the </span><span data-m="1282970" data-d="220">word </span><span data-m="1283190" data-d="829">intersection </span><span data-m="1284340" data-d="460">because </span><span data-m="1284840" data-d="1009">intersection </span><span data-m="1286719" data-d="500">assumes </span><span data-m="1287389" data-d="289">that </span><span data-m="1287730" data-d="619">technology </span><span data-m="1288349" data-d="329">covers </span><span data-m="1288679" data-d="250">one </span><span data-m="1288940" data-d="460">area, </span><span data-m="1289580" data-d="289">social </span><span data-m="1289870" data-d="410">justice </span><span data-m="1290280" data-d="329">covers </span><span data-m="1290639" data-d="480">another, </span><span data-m="1291160" data-d="200">and </span><span data-m="1291360" data-d="150">then </span><span data-m="1291511" data-d="19">they </span><span data-m="1291530" data-d="650">intersect </span><span data-m="1292190" data-d="460">somewhere. </span><span data-m="1293009" data-d="190">For </span><span data-m="1293210" data-d="210">me, </span><span data-m="1293420" data-d="690">technology </span><span data-m="1294111" data-d="69">is </span><span data-m="1294740" data-d="369">not </span><span data-m="1295109" data-d="279">just </span><span data-m="1295410" data-d="700">technology </span><span data-m="1296111" data-d="150">or </span><span data-m="1296262" data-d="89">a </span><span data-m="1296352" data-d="190">new </span><span data-m="1296543" data-d="349">method </span><span data-m="1296893" data-d="170">for </span><span data-m="1297064" data-d="349">doing </span><span data-m="1297430" data-d="500">something </span><span data-m="1297930" data-d="450">faster </span><span data-m="1298440" data-d="59">or </span><span data-m="1299170" data-d="380">perform </span><span data-m="1299560" data-d="430">better. </span><span data-m="1301030" data-d="650">Technology </span><span data-m="1301680" data-d="190">is </span><span data-m="1301910" data-d="329">every </span><span data-m="1302290" data-d="470">everywhere. </span><span data-m="1302760" data-d="89">It </span><span data-m="1303220" data-d="400">covers </span><span data-m="1303660" data-d="220">all </span><span data-m="1304040" data-d="100">the </span><span data-m="1304141" data-d="519">space, </span><span data-m="1304661" data-d="200">all </span><span data-m="1304862" data-d="470">decision </span><span data-m="1305333" data-d="349">making </span><span data-m="1305683" data-d="529">space, </span><span data-m="1306270" data-d="289">just </span><span data-m="1306559" data-d="180">like </span><span data-m="1306740" data-d="299">social </span><span data-m="1307380" data-d="490">justice </span><span data-m="1307900" data-d="539">issues </span><span data-m="1309130" data-d="329">cover </span><span data-m="1309469" data-d="190">all </span><span data-m="1309670" data-d="130">the </span><span data-m="1309801" data-d="519">space </span><span data-m="1310360" data-d="369">and </span><span data-m="1312109" data-d="470">allow </span><span data-m="1312619" data-d="230">for </span><span data-m="1312850" data-d="170">this, </span><span data-m="1313359" data-d="259">like, </span><span data-m="1313900" data-d="289">fight </span><span data-m="1314240" data-d="950">discrimination. </span></p>
<p><span class="speaker" data-m="1315660" data-d="0">Jessica: </span><span data-m="1315660" data-d="319">And </span><span data-m="1316570" data-d="19">I'd </span><span data-m="1316660" data-d="269">like </span><span data-m="1317300" data-d="150">to </span><span data-m="1317460" data-d="200">give </span><span data-m="1317690" data-d="240">an </span><span data-m="1318240" data-d="240">a </span><span data-m="1318590" data-d="480">illustration </span><span data-m="1319240" data-d="160">that </span><span data-m="1319410" data-d="279">comes </span><span data-m="1319690" data-d="140">to </span><span data-m="1319830" data-d="450">mind. </span><span data-m="1320290" data-d="359">It's </span><span data-m="1320930" data-d="259">as </span><span data-m="1321190" data-d="349">if </span><span data-m="1322170" data-d="430">So </span><span data-m="1322610" data-d="380">when </span><span data-m="1323030" data-d="509">When </span><span data-m="1323570" data-d="470">when </span><span data-m="1324120" data-d="359">cars </span><span data-m="1324480" data-d="150">were </span><span data-m="1324630" data-d="670">invented </span><span data-m="1325349" data-d="180">and </span><span data-m="1325530" data-d="79">you </span><span data-m="1325610" data-d="170">would </span><span data-m="1325780" data-d="250">want </span><span data-m="1326040" data-d="349">to </span><span data-m="1327249" data-d="300">promote </span><span data-m="1327719" data-d="119">so </span><span data-m="1327840" data-d="180">that </span><span data-m="1328020" data-d="349">someone </span><span data-m="1328370" data-d="319">uses </span><span data-m="1328710" data-d="59">a </span><span data-m="1328770" data-d="559">donkey, </span><span data-m="1329820" data-d="289">then, </span><span data-m="1330240" data-d="250">okay, </span><span data-m="1330490" data-d="200">it's </span><span data-m="1330690" data-d="69">a </span><span data-m="1330760" data-d="230">new </span><span data-m="1330990" data-d="339">tool. </span><span data-m="1331379" data-d="180">You </span><span data-m="1331559" data-d="160">go </span><span data-m="1331719" data-d="609">faster. </span><span data-m="1332560" data-d="210">But </span><span data-m="1332770" data-d="190">then </span><span data-m="1332970" data-d="349">even </span><span data-m="1333320" data-d="450">cars </span><span data-m="1333910" data-d="779">transformed </span><span data-m="1334690" data-d="150">how </span><span data-m="1334840" data-d="160">we </span><span data-m="1335000" data-d="250">build </span><span data-m="1335290" data-d="220">our </span><span data-m="1335510" data-d="619">cities </span><span data-m="1336260" data-d="769">and </span><span data-m="1337430" data-d="430">anyone </span><span data-m="1338450" data-d="539">familiar </span><span data-m="1339720" data-d="210">with </span><span data-m="1339950" data-d="339">urban </span><span data-m="1340290" data-d="259">activism </span><span data-m="1340550" data-d="29">knows </span><span data-m="1342020" data-d="170">how </span><span data-m="1342190" data-d="460">much </span><span data-m="1342690" data-d="519">the </span><span data-m="1343259" data-d="490">current </span><span data-m="1343940" data-d="339">shape </span><span data-m="1344290" data-d="170">of </span><span data-m="1344460" data-d="490">cities </span><span data-m="1344960" data-d="210">have </span><span data-m="1345170" data-d="660">affected </span><span data-m="1346030" data-d="359">urban </span><span data-m="1346389" data-d="470">rights, </span><span data-m="1347219" data-d="430">social </span><span data-m="1347700" data-d="640">cohesion, </span><span data-m="1348350" data-d="609">etcetera, </span><span data-m="1349230" data-d="349">and </span><span data-m="1349600" data-d="180">the </span><span data-m="1349799" data-d="450">impact </span><span data-m="1350260" data-d="160">on </span><span data-m="1350430" data-d="779">environment </span><span data-m="1351240" data-d="180">and </span><span data-m="1351420" data-d="69">the </span><span data-m="1351490" data-d="579">impact </span><span data-m="1352080" data-d="19">on </span><span data-m="1353410" data-d="130">the </span><span data-m="1353540" data-d="289">power </span><span data-m="1353830" data-d="619">structure. </span><span data-m="1354700" data-d="200">Now </span><span data-m="1354960" data-d="650">technology </span><span data-m="1355620" data-d="259">is </span><span data-m="1357650" data-d="460">this </span><span data-m="1358110" data-d="289">times </span><span data-m="1359960" data-d="9">1000 </span><span data-m="1359980" data-d="460">because </span><span data-m="1360450" data-d="420">it's </span><span data-m="1360900" data-d="910">ubiquitous, </span><span data-m="1361840" data-d="279">it's </span><span data-m="1362150" data-d="710">disruptive </span><span data-m="1362889" data-d="170">of </span><span data-m="1363090" data-d="230">all </span><span data-m="1363320" data-d="650">sectors, </span><span data-m="1364509" data-d="39">again </span><span data-m="1366989" data-d="829">finance </span><span data-m="1368099" data-d="420">labor </span><span data-m="1368690" data-d="190">with </span><span data-m="1368890" data-d="99">the </span><span data-m="1368990" data-d="549">automated </span><span data-m="1369540" data-d="309">labor </span><span data-m="1369850" data-d="69">for, </span><span data-m="1370110" data-d="220">for </span><span data-m="1370340" data-d="579">example, </span><span data-m="1371860" data-d="220">technology, </span><span data-m="1372250" data-d="589">technological </span><span data-m="1372900" data-d="740">advances </span><span data-m="1373660" data-d="509">allowing </span><span data-m="1374190" data-d="259">to </span><span data-m="1374470" data-d="609">dismiss </span><span data-m="1375660" data-d="660">workers </span><span data-m="1376360" data-d="190">and </span><span data-m="1376550" data-d="269">having </span><span data-m="1376840" data-d="660">robots, </span><span data-m="1378330" data-d="269">health </span><span data-m="1378599" data-d="89">is </span><span data-m="1380119" data-d="450">disrupted. </span><span data-m="1382040" data-d="210">I </span><span data-m="1382250" data-d="319">think </span><span data-m="1382580" data-d="269">it's </span><span data-m="1382870" data-d="660">transforming </span><span data-m="1383540" data-d="109">the </span><span data-m="1383650" data-d="440">concept </span><span data-m="1384100" data-d="170">of </span><span data-m="1384270" data-d="710">privacy </span><span data-m="1385020" data-d="400">because </span><span data-m="1385440" data-d="150">we'll </span><span data-m="1385590" data-d="369">never </span><span data-m="1385959" data-d="240">have </span><span data-m="1386210" data-d="490">privacy </span><span data-m="1386700" data-d="190">as </span><span data-m="1386890" data-d="119">we </span><span data-m="1387010" data-d="240">used </span><span data-m="1387250" data-d="89">to </span><span data-m="1387340" data-d="269">have, </span><span data-m="1387640" data-d="289">even </span><span data-m="1387930" data-d="160">with </span><span data-m="1388100" data-d="289">all </span><span data-m="1388410" data-d="259">the </span><span data-m="1388990" data-d="1299">cybersecurity </span><span data-m="1390310" data-d="210">and </span><span data-m="1390530" data-d="160">all </span><span data-m="1390690" data-d="140">the </span><span data-m="1390840" data-d="619">policies. </span><span data-m="1391470" data-d="250">Now, </span><span data-m="1391730" data-d="200">with </span><span data-m="1391940" data-d="240">all </span><span data-m="1392200" data-d="309">this </span><span data-m="1392920" data-d="559">abundance </span><span data-m="1393490" data-d="200">of </span><span data-m="1393690" data-d="240">data </span><span data-m="1393940" data-d="289">out </span><span data-m="1394490" data-d="29">there </span><span data-m="1394610" data-d="259">and </span><span data-m="1394870" data-d="109">the </span><span data-m="1395010" data-d="420">predictive </span><span data-m="1395430" data-d="29">power </span><span data-m="1395460" data-d="240">of </span><span data-m="1396580" data-d="200">data, </span><span data-m="1397530" data-d="210">even </span><span data-m="1397910" data-d="170">if </span><span data-m="1398080" data-d="119">I </span><span data-m="1398210" data-d="240">don't </span><span data-m="1398480" data-d="180">know </span><span data-m="1398670" data-d="180">what </span><span data-m="1398851" data-d="150">you're </span><span data-m="1399002" data-d="339">doing, </span><span data-m="1399342" data-d="119">I </span><span data-m="1399490" data-d="220">can </span><span data-m="1399719" data-d="410">predict </span><span data-m="1400380" data-d="470">almost </span><span data-m="1400900" data-d="339">accurately. </span><span data-m="1401240" data-d="29">And </span><span data-m="1401889" data-d="220">this </span><span data-m="1402109" data-d="160">is </span><span data-m="1402299" data-d="500">actually </span><span data-m="1404100" data-d="160">for </span><span data-m="1404260" data-d="380">example, </span><span data-m="1404940" data-d="349">people </span><span data-m="1405540" data-d="549">notice </span><span data-m="1406110" data-d="309">that </span><span data-m="1406450" data-d="269">Oh, </span><span data-m="1406910" data-d="269">why </span><span data-m="1407180" data-d="170">is </span><span data-m="1409830" data-d="9">Facebook </span><span data-m="1409860" data-d="519">proposing </span><span data-m="1410380" data-d="89">a </span><span data-m="1410480" data-d="480">friend? </span><span data-m="1411010" data-d="220">How </span><span data-m="1411250" data-d="180">did </span><span data-m="1411430" data-d="140">they </span><span data-m="1411570" data-d="180">know </span><span data-m="1411750" data-d="190">that </span><span data-m="1412010" data-d="130">we </span><span data-m="1412141" data-d="289">met? </span><span data-m="1413000" data-d="240">They </span><span data-m="1413240" data-d="259">might </span><span data-m="1413500" data-d="200">not </span><span data-m="1413710" data-d="220">have </span><span data-m="1413931" data-d="289">known, </span><span data-m="1414230" data-d="190">but </span><span data-m="1414420" data-d="130">they </span><span data-m="1414550" data-d="180">might </span><span data-m="1414740" data-d="180">have </span><span data-m="1414920" data-d="569">predicted </span><span data-m="1415639" data-d="279">just </span><span data-m="1415929" data-d="309">that. </span><span data-m="1417420" data-d="140">It's </span><span data-m="1417561" data-d="410">actually </span><span data-m="1417972" data-d="180">there </span><span data-m="1418153" data-d="200">are </span><span data-m="1418360" data-d="519">articles </span><span data-m="1418910" data-d="359">about </span><span data-m="1419270" data-d="279">this </span><span data-m="1419570" data-d="210">I'd </span><span data-m="1419780" data-d="190">like </span><span data-m="1419971" data-d="119">to </span><span data-m="1420090" data-d="670">continue </span><span data-m="1420770" data-d="230">on </span><span data-m="1421020" data-d="220">and </span><span data-m="1421250" data-d="289">on </span><span data-m="1421539" data-d="150">with </span><span data-m="1421699" data-d="279">this </span><span data-m="1423930" data-d="150">the </span><span data-m="1424080" data-d="259">rise </span><span data-m="1424370" data-d="190">of </span><span data-m="1424820" data-d="400">AI </span><span data-m="1425290" data-d="99">in </span><span data-m="1425640" data-d="160">in </span><span data-m="1425800" data-d="349">public </span><span data-m="1426170" data-d="1000">administration, </span><span data-m="1427180" data-d="130">for </span><span data-m="1427310" data-d="329">example, </span><span data-m="1427750" data-d="109">I </span><span data-m="1427870" data-d="380">think </span><span data-m="1428290" data-d="190">in </span><span data-m="1428490" data-d="690">Mexico, </span><span data-m="1429750" data-d="309">maybe </span><span data-m="1430059" data-d="59">a </span><span data-m="1430120" data-d="1109">municipality </span><span data-m="1431550" data-d="450">wanted </span><span data-m="1432809" data-d="130">to </span><span data-m="1432940" data-d="210">use </span><span data-m="1433160" data-d="430">machine </span><span data-m="1433590" data-d="380">learning </span><span data-m="1433971" data-d="130">to </span><span data-m="1434102" data-d="700">distribute </span><span data-m="1434990" data-d="19">aid </span><span data-m="1435009" data-d="19">to </span><span data-m="1436939" data-d="250">poor </span><span data-m="1437189" data-d="569">families </span><span data-m="1437769" data-d="19">in </span><span data-m="1437960" data-d="79">a </span><span data-m="1438059" data-d="329">better </span><span data-m="1438389" data-d="390">way. </span></p>
<p><span class="speaker" data-m="1439999" data-d="0">Hanan: </span><span data-m="1439999" data-d="59">But </span><span data-m="1440230" data-d="410">actually, </span><span data-m="1440650" data-d="230">how </span><span data-m="1440880" data-d="160">is </span><span data-m="1441040" data-d="250">it... </span><span data-m="1441980" data-d="190">how </span><span data-m="1442170" data-d="119">do </span><span data-m="1442290" data-d="279">you </span><span data-m="1442640" data-d="390">render </span><span data-m="1443070" data-d="140">an </span><span data-m="1443220" data-d="529">algorithm </span><span data-m="1443760" data-d="650">accountable? </span><span data-m="1444990" data-d="319">Now </span><span data-m="1445310" data-d="170">we </span><span data-m="1445480" data-d="190">are </span><span data-m="1445930" data-d="869">handing </span><span data-m="1447150" data-d="609">public </span><span data-m="1447820" data-d="289">and </span><span data-m="1448130" data-d="390">private </span><span data-m="1448540" data-d="619">decision </span><span data-m="1449160" data-d="500">making </span><span data-m="1449889" data-d="140">to </span><span data-m="1450030" data-d="559">machines </span><span data-m="1450750" data-d="210">and </span><span data-m="1450960" data-d="89">the </span><span data-m="1451050" data-d="380">data </span><span data-m="1451469" data-d="190">that </span><span data-m="1451759" data-d="220">they </span><span data-m="1451980" data-d="380">have </span><span data-m="1452759" data-d="390">and </span><span data-m="1453219" data-d="329">this </span><span data-m="1453549" data-d="470">data </span><span data-m="1454380" data-d="210">is </span><span data-m="1454591" data-d="509">biased </span><span data-m="1455690" data-d="339">and </span><span data-m="1456100" data-d="180">it </span><span data-m="1456280" data-d="9">embeds </span><span data-m="1457879" data-d="319">already </span><span data-m="1459549" data-d="340">habits </span><span data-m="1460060" data-d="170">and </span><span data-m="1460230" data-d="299">power </span><span data-m="1460530" data-d="789">structures. </span><span data-m="1462090" data-d="329">Even </span><span data-m="1462430" data-d="430">further </span><span data-m="1462880" data-d="210">new </span><span data-m="1463090" data-d="720">questions </span><span data-m="1463820" data-d="549">related </span><span data-m="1464390" data-d="140">to </span><span data-m="1464530" data-d="569">democracy </span><span data-m="1465100" data-d="140">and </span><span data-m="1465330" data-d="560">accountability. </span><span data-m="1466250" data-d="240">And </span><span data-m="1466490" data-d="99">I </span><span data-m="1466590" data-d="240">can </span><span data-m="1466830" data-d="339">refer </span><span data-m="1467170" data-d="309">just </span><span data-m="1467480" data-d="240">to </span><span data-m="1468080" data-d="269">the </span><span data-m="1468380" data-d="480">polemic </span><span data-m="1469020" data-d="299">around </span><span data-m="1469330" data-d="230">the </span><span data-m="1469570" data-d="9">erasure </span><span data-m="1470100" data-d="120">of </span><span data-m="1470230" data-d="179">Facebook </span><span data-m="1470650" data-d="150">and </span><span data-m="1470801" data-d="539">Twitter </span><span data-m="1471780" data-d="269">of </span><span data-m="1472099" data-d="539">Trump's </span><span data-m="1472990" data-d="690">accounts. </span><span data-m="1474020" data-d="400">So </span><span data-m="1474430" data-d="160">the </span><span data-m="1474600" data-d="329">power </span><span data-m="1474940" data-d="180">of </span><span data-m="1475549" data-d="79">private </span><span data-m="1475629" data-d="579">companies </span><span data-m="1476250" data-d="549">today </span><span data-m="1477250" data-d="59">and </span><span data-m="1478000" data-d="170">what </span><span data-m="1478180" data-d="180">it </span><span data-m="1478380" data-d="589">means </span><span data-m="1479210" data-d="349">about </span><span data-m="1479570" data-d="630">democracy </span><span data-m="1480200" data-d="190">and </span><span data-m="1480400" data-d="500">elections. </span><span data-m="1481210" data-d="200">So </span><span data-m="1481410" data-d="230">for </span><span data-m="1481680" data-d="390">me, </span><span data-m="1484099" data-d="99">the </span><span data-m="1484200" data-d="440">first </span><span data-m="1485230" data-d="440">answer </span><span data-m="1485670" data-d="140">to </span><span data-m="1485811" data-d="150">your </span><span data-m="1485962" data-d="450">question </span><span data-m="1486413" data-d="210">is </span><span data-m="1486624" data-d="250">really </span><span data-m="1486875" data-d="279">the </span><span data-m="1487580" data-d="269">that </span><span data-m="1488150" data-d="480">you </span><span data-m="1488630" data-d="450">cannot </span><span data-m="1489150" data-d="569">avoid </span><span data-m="1490250" data-d="539">engaging </span><span data-m="1490790" data-d="160">with </span><span data-m="1491020" data-d="600">technology </span><span data-m="1491790" data-d="359">because </span><span data-m="1492150" data-d="190">it's </span><span data-m="1492350" data-d="750">transforming </span><span data-m="1493100" data-d="359">social </span><span data-m="1493459" data-d="630">justice. </span><span data-m="1494100" data-d="259">It's </span><span data-m="1494920" data-d="99">a </span><span data-m="1495020" data-d="599">concept </span><span data-m="1496130" data-d="259">and </span><span data-m="1496400" data-d="200">how </span><span data-m="1496640" data-d="140">they </span><span data-m="1496930" data-d="9">are </span><span data-m="1496940" data-d="589">reflected. </span><span data-m="1497980" data-d="250">And </span><span data-m="1498230" data-d="200">my </span><span data-m="1499080" data-d="100">secondary </span><span data-m="1499181" data-d="470">question </span><span data-m="1499652" data-d="140">now </span><span data-m="1499793" data-d="279">because </span><span data-m="1500073" data-d="200">it's </span><span data-m="1500510" data-d="150">a </span><span data-m="1500660" data-d="440">secondary </span><span data-m="1501270" data-d="359">answer, </span><span data-m="1501630" data-d="180">which </span><span data-m="1501810" data-d="150">is </span><span data-m="1501970" data-d="150">an </span><span data-m="1502389" data-d="100">old </span><span data-m="1502490" data-d="100">the </span><span data-m="1502591" data-d="390">answer </span><span data-m="1502982" data-d="140">to </span><span data-m="1503123" data-d="190">this, </span><span data-m="1503314" data-d="170">that, </span><span data-m="1503485" data-d="160">of </span><span data-m="1503646" data-d="250">course, </span><span data-m="1503897" data-d="569">technology </span><span data-m="1504467" data-d="380">allows </span><span data-m="1504848" data-d="220">us </span><span data-m="1505210" data-d="150">to </span><span data-m="1505400" data-d="440">address </span><span data-m="1505840" data-d="319">things </span><span data-m="1506170" data-d="150">in </span><span data-m="1506320" data-d="49">a </span><span data-m="1506370" data-d="319">better... </span><span data-m="1506730" data-d="210">in </span><span data-m="1506940" data-d="220">a </span><span data-m="1507500" data-d="369">different </span><span data-m="1507900" data-d="299">way </span><span data-m="1508200" data-d="130">in </span><span data-m="1508330" data-d="119">an </span><span data-m="1508450" data-d="450">efficient </span><span data-m="1508929" data-d="369">way. </span><span data-m="1509549" data-d="329">Today, </span><span data-m="1509880" data-d="170">there </span><span data-m="1510070" data-d="250">are </span><span data-m="1511059" data-d="269">new </span><span data-m="1511330" data-d="599">questions </span><span data-m="1511930" data-d="130">we </span><span data-m="1512061" data-d="230">can... </span><span data-m="1512919" data-d="69">old </span><span data-m="1513160" data-d="539">questions </span><span data-m="1513700" data-d="119">we </span><span data-m="1513820" data-d="210">can </span><span data-m="1514070" data-d="569">answer </span><span data-m="1514660" data-d="190">that </span><span data-m="1514850" data-d="89">we </span><span data-m="1514940" data-d="339">couldn't </span><span data-m="1515310" data-d="549">before </span><span data-m="1516110" data-d="319">just </span><span data-m="1516630" data-d="369">because </span><span data-m="1517020" data-d="180">all </span><span data-m="1517200" data-d="200">this </span><span data-m="1517400" data-d="210">data </span><span data-m="1517750" data-d="79">is </span><span data-m="1518290" data-d="509">available </span><span data-m="1518970" data-d="319">because </span><span data-m="1519300" data-d="650">smartphones </span><span data-m="1520060" data-d="110">are </span><span data-m="1520170" data-d="559">everywhere, </span><span data-m="1520830" data-d="459">etcetera. </span><span data-m="1521290" data-d="19">So </span><span data-m="1521480" data-d="190">for </span><span data-m="1521670" data-d="140">me, </span><span data-m="1521811" data-d="180">this </span><span data-m="1522000" data-d="210">is </span><span data-m="1522550" data-d="180">an </span><span data-m="1522730" data-d="430">obvious </span><span data-m="1523170" data-d="430">reason, </span><span data-m="1523849" data-d="329">but </span><span data-m="1524719" data-d="220">to </span><span data-m="1524969" data-d="119">to </span><span data-m="1525090" data-d="289">use </span><span data-m="1525380" data-d="789">technology </span><span data-m="1527290" data-d="29">and </span><span data-m="1527320" data-d="329">become </span><span data-m="1527650" data-d="509">equipped </span><span data-m="1528859" data-d="420">because </span><span data-m="1531250" data-d="259">for </span><span data-m="1531510" data-d="369">me, </span><span data-m="1531960" data-d="299">those </span><span data-m="1532260" data-d="140">who </span><span data-m="1532400" data-d="309">don't </span><span data-m="1532960" data-d="200">will </span><span data-m="1533370" data-d="180">will </span><span data-m="1533560" data-d="130">be </span><span data-m="1533690" data-d="250">left </span><span data-m="1533970" data-d="470">behind </span><span data-m="1535150" data-d="470">very, </span><span data-m="1535690" data-d="289">very </span><span data-m="1535980" data-d="480">strongly. </span><span data-m="1538050" data-d="130">In </span><span data-m="1539400" data-d="9">a </span><span data-m="1539410" data-d="59">nutshell. </span></p>
<p><span class="speaker" data-m="1539500" data-d="0">Hanan: </span><span data-m="1539500" data-d="120">Thanks. </span><span data-m="1539790" data-d="279">No, </span><span data-m="1540440" data-d="289">that's </span><span data-m="1540730" data-d="190">fine. </span><span data-m="1540960" data-d="359">That's </span><span data-m="1541599" data-d="359">so </span><span data-m="1541960" data-d="279">much </span><span data-m="1542240" data-d="109">to </span><span data-m="1542349" data-d="200">think </span><span data-m="1542559" data-d="319">about </span><span data-m="1542880" data-d="210">right? </span><span data-m="1543090" data-d="160">It's </span><span data-m="1543259" data-d="160">like </span><span data-m="1543420" data-d="140">your </span><span data-m="1543570" data-d="480">brain </span><span data-m="1544051" data-d="230">goes </span><span data-m="1544282" data-d="99">in </span><span data-m="1544382" data-d="140">so </span><span data-m="1544523" data-d="170">many </span><span data-m="1544694" data-d="329">different </span><span data-m="1545030" data-d="559">directions. </span><span data-m="1545589" data-d="170">And </span><span data-m="1545940" data-d="220">thank </span><span data-m="1546160" data-d="99">you </span><span data-m="1546260" data-d="160">for </span><span data-m="1546420" data-d="369">calling </span><span data-m="1546789" data-d="190">out </span><span data-m="1547029" data-d="89">the </span><span data-m="1547469" data-d="100">use </span><span data-m="1547570" data-d="100">of </span><span data-m="1547671" data-d="119">the </span><span data-m="1547791" data-d="210">word </span><span data-m="1548002" data-d="630">intersection. </span><span data-m="1548633" data-d="49">I </span><span data-m="1548683" data-d="210">think </span><span data-m="1548894" data-d="220">that </span><span data-m="1549115" data-d="99">is </span><span data-m="1550380" data-d="89">a </span><span data-m="1550470" data-d="269">really </span><span data-m="1550750" data-d="329">poignant </span><span data-m="1551100" data-d="549">example </span><span data-m="1551650" data-d="130">that </span><span data-m="1551780" data-d="150">you </span><span data-m="1551930" data-d="289">gave </span><span data-m="1552220" data-d="279">around </span><span data-m="1552530" data-d="420">cars </span><span data-m="1552960" data-d="109">and </span><span data-m="1553070" data-d="839">infrastructure. </span><span data-m="1554990" data-d="150">And </span><span data-m="1555140" data-d="79">I </span><span data-m="1555240" data-d="210">think </span><span data-m="1555460" data-d="279">that, </span><span data-m="1555940" data-d="109">you </span><span data-m="1556050" data-d="89">know, </span><span data-m="1556139" data-d="119">it's </span><span data-m="1556260" data-d="170">so </span><span data-m="1556431" data-d="539">fascinating </span><span data-m="1556970" data-d="99">to </span><span data-m="1557070" data-d="180">hear </span><span data-m="1557250" data-d="390">people's </span><span data-m="1557641" data-d="410">journey </span><span data-m="1558052" data-d="140">to </span><span data-m="1558193" data-d="230">this </span><span data-m="1558424" data-d="369">moment, </span><span data-m="1558889" data-d="250">right? </span><span data-m="1559139" data-d="160">And </span><span data-m="1559410" data-d="319">it </span><span data-m="1559730" data-d="289">really </span><span data-m="1560020" data-d="160">is </span><span data-m="1560181" data-d="160">a </span><span data-m="1560380" data-d="470">journey. </span><span data-m="1561170" data-d="119">It </span><span data-m="1561290" data-d="119">is </span><span data-m="1561410" data-d="420">something </span><span data-m="1561830" data-d="200">that </span><span data-m="1562080" data-d="220">is </span><span data-m="1562301" data-d="89">a </span><span data-m="1562391" data-d="849">realization. </span><span data-m="1563240" data-d="130">It's </span><span data-m="1563370" data-d="150">an </span><span data-m="1563540" data-d="359">aha </span><span data-m="1563900" data-d="450">moment, </span><span data-m="1564840" data-d="230">and </span><span data-m="1565070" data-d="79">I </span><span data-m="1565160" data-d="359">think </span><span data-m="1565590" data-d="230">part </span><span data-m="1565820" data-d="180">of </span><span data-m="1566010" data-d="339">the </span><span data-m="1566610" data-d="509">goals </span><span data-m="1567130" data-d="269">of </span><span data-m="1567760" data-d="220">what </span><span data-m="1567980" data-d="230">we're </span><span data-m="1568210" data-d="200">all </span><span data-m="1568410" data-d="259">trying </span><span data-m="1568710" data-d="109">to </span><span data-m="1568820" data-d="420">do </span><span data-m="1569260" data-d="410">everybody </span><span data-m="1569670" data-d="89">on </span><span data-m="1569760" data-d="170">this </span><span data-m="1569960" data-d="529">call </span><span data-m="1570520" data-d="190">is </span><span data-m="1570710" data-d="349">trying </span><span data-m="1571080" data-d="150">to </span><span data-m="1571240" data-d="269">make </span><span data-m="1571510" data-d="170">that </span><span data-m="1571680" data-d="210">more </span><span data-m="1571890" data-d="89">of </span><span data-m="1571980" data-d="89">a </span><span data-m="1572070" data-d="690">reality. </span><span data-m="1573280" data-d="430">And, </span><span data-m="1574940" data-d="69">I </span><span data-m="1575020" data-d="29">don't </span><span data-m="1575220" data-d="160">know, </span><span data-m="1575380" data-d="190">I </span><span data-m="1575630" data-d="230">think </span><span data-m="1575870" data-d="100">it </span><span data-m="1575971" data-d="180">would </span><span data-m="1576152" data-d="119">be </span><span data-m="1576272" data-d="250">really </span><span data-m="1576523" data-d="369">interesting </span><span data-m="1576893" data-d="119">to </span><span data-m="1577013" data-d="609">hear </span><span data-m="1578500" data-d="240">what </span><span data-m="1578740" data-d="269">you </span><span data-m="1579040" data-d="329">think </span><span data-m="1579370" data-d="140">would </span><span data-m="1579520" data-d="319">help </span><span data-m="1580009" data-d="319">other </span><span data-m="1580330" data-d="859">organizations. </span><span data-m="1581190" data-d="109">For </span><span data-m="1581299" data-d="289">example, </span><span data-m="1581599" data-d="190">let's </span><span data-m="1581790" data-d="180">just </span><span data-m="1581980" data-d="240">talk </span><span data-m="1582230" data-d="180">about </span><span data-m="1582420" data-d="779">organizations. </span><span data-m="1583199" data-d="240">Never </span><span data-m="1583440" data-d="190">mind </span><span data-m="1583639" data-d="69">the </span><span data-m="1583719" data-d="220">whole </span><span data-m="1583940" data-d="450">universe </span><span data-m="1584391" data-d="140">of </span><span data-m="1584532" data-d="210">human </span><span data-m="1584799" data-d="470">beings. </span><span data-m="1585270" data-d="230">But </span><span data-m="1585590" data-d="769">organizations </span><span data-m="1586360" data-d="130">that </span><span data-m="1586490" data-d="79">are </span><span data-m="1586570" data-d="410">working </span><span data-m="1586980" data-d="279">within </span><span data-m="1587260" data-d="200">this </span><span data-m="1587460" data-d="579">space, </span><span data-m="1588580" data-d="259">how </span><span data-m="1588840" data-d="230">they </span><span data-m="1589070" data-d="420">can </span><span data-m="1589620" data-d="430">start </span><span data-m="1590070" data-d="269">to </span><span data-m="1590970" data-d="250">think </span><span data-m="1591230" data-d="250">about </span><span data-m="1591480" data-d="210">this </span><span data-m="1591690" data-d="460">journey. </span></p>
<p><span class="speaker" data-m="1594260" data-d="0">Jessica: </span><span data-m="1594260" data-d="119">Me </span><span data-m="1594389" data-d="200">as </span><span data-m="1594590" data-d="519">Jessica? </span></p>
<p><span class="speaker" data-m="1595540" data-d="0">Hanan: </span><span data-m="1595540" data-d="129">Go </span><span data-m="1595669" data-d="110">for </span><span data-m="1595780" data-d="119">it </span><span data-m="1595899" data-d="130">Jessica </span><span data-m="1596800" data-d="99">well, </span><span data-m="1596899" data-d="19">we </span><span data-m="1597270" data-d="100">still </span><span data-m="1597371" data-d="170">have </span><span data-m="1597542" data-d="119">your </span><span data-m="1597662" data-d="369">video </span><span data-m="1598032" data-d="369">link, </span><span data-m="1598402" data-d="269">right? </span></p>
<p><span class="speaker" data-m="1600260" data-d="0">Jessica: </span><span data-m="1600260" data-d="400">Sure. </span><span data-m="1600690" data-d="500">So </span><span data-m="1602720" data-d="269">for </span><span data-m="1603020" data-d="369">me </span><span data-m="1606510" data-d="109">a </span><span data-m="1606620" data-d="880">fellowship </span><span data-m="1608960" data-d="339">let's </span><span data-m="1609310" data-d="170">be </span><span data-m="1609480" data-d="549">specific </span><span data-m="1610040" data-d="220">about </span><span data-m="1610260" data-d="130">perhaps </span><span data-m="1610840" data-d="119">the </span><span data-m="1610960" data-d="549">fellowship </span><span data-m="1611770" data-d="750">experience. </span><span data-m="1612889" data-d="210">I </span><span data-m="1613099" data-d="299">think </span><span data-m="1614249" data-d="240">it </span><span data-m="1614880" data-d="279">would </span><span data-m="1615170" data-d="140">be </span><span data-m="1615311" data-d="119">the </span><span data-m="1615431" data-d="269">most </span><span data-m="1615700" data-d="1299">transformative </span><span data-m="1617950" data-d="99">experience </span><span data-m="1618529" data-d="700">because </span><span data-m="1619299" data-d="180">it </span><span data-m="1619529" data-d="490">allows </span><span data-m="1620619" data-d="500">for </span><span data-m="1621190" data-d="109">a </span><span data-m="1621300" data-d="569">process </span><span data-m="1621870" data-d="140">to </span><span data-m="1622010" data-d="470">happen. </span><span data-m="1622510" data-d="390">And </span><span data-m="1623780" data-d="190">I </span><span data-m="1623980" data-d="410">think </span><span data-m="1624960" data-d="60">all </span><span data-m="1625190" data-d="130">of </span><span data-m="1625320" data-d="170">us </span><span data-m="1625490" data-d="490">fellows </span><span data-m="1625990" data-d="329">have </span><span data-m="1626899" data-d="370">shared </span><span data-m="1627270" data-d="359">together </span><span data-m="1627800" data-d="250">that </span><span data-m="1628309" data-d="299">one </span><span data-m="1628610" data-d="220">of </span><span data-m="1628830" data-d="220">our </span><span data-m="1629050" data-d="730">difficulties </span><span data-m="1629780" data-d="160">is </span><span data-m="1629940" data-d="710">actually </span><span data-m="1633220" data-d="820">communicating </span><span data-m="1634219" data-d="329">with </span><span data-m="1634570" data-d="289">our </span><span data-m="1634870" data-d="390">hosts, </span><span data-m="1635309" data-d="380">even </span><span data-m="1636609" data-d="409">myself </span><span data-m="1639260" data-d="210">I'm </span><span data-m="1639470" data-d="119">the </span><span data-m="1639590" data-d="480">Deputy </span><span data-m="1640080" data-d="640">Executive </span><span data-m="1640720" data-d="490">Director </span><span data-m="1641230" data-d="130">of </span><span data-m="1641360" data-d="279">Legal </span><span data-m="1641640" data-d="539">Agenda. </span><span data-m="1642620" data-d="220">But </span><span data-m="1642840" data-d="190">when </span><span data-m="1643030" data-d="150">I </span><span data-m="1643180" data-d="329">stepped </span><span data-m="1643530" data-d="250">in </span><span data-m="1643790" data-d="109">the </span><span data-m="1643900" data-d="319">shoes </span><span data-m="1644230" data-d="180">of </span><span data-m="1644410" data-d="210">a </span><span data-m="1645020" data-d="490">fellow, </span><span data-m="1645580" data-d="190">I </span><span data-m="1645770" data-d="500">started </span><span data-m="1646290" data-d="480">seeing </span><span data-m="1646790" data-d="89">a </span><span data-m="1646880" data-d="410">gap </span><span data-m="1647320" data-d="589">between </span><span data-m="1648230" data-d="259">how </span><span data-m="1648520" data-d="170">I </span><span data-m="1648690" data-d="250">talk </span><span data-m="1648950" data-d="279">about </span><span data-m="1649230" data-d="569">technology </span><span data-m="1649919" data-d="180">and </span><span data-m="1650630" data-d="230">what </span><span data-m="1650860" data-d="119">the </span><span data-m="1650980" data-d="539">receiving </span><span data-m="1651559" data-d="410">end </span><span data-m="1652290" data-d="920">understands </span><span data-m="1653240" data-d="269">or </span><span data-m="1653580" data-d="329">how </span><span data-m="1653929" data-d="170">they </span><span data-m="1654100" data-d="430">engage </span><span data-m="1654531" data-d="150">with </span><span data-m="1654690" data-d="230">me. </span><span data-m="1655240" data-d="430">So, </span><span data-m="1657040" data-d="309">I </span><span data-m="1657370" data-d="400">think </span><span data-m="1657780" data-d="430">that </span><span data-m="1659800" data-d="170">in </span><span data-m="1659970" data-d="480">addition </span><span data-m="1660450" data-d="140">to </span><span data-m="1660590" data-d="109">the </span><span data-m="1660700" data-d="349">general </span><span data-m="1663340" data-d="829">advice </span><span data-m="1664220" data-d="579">to </span><span data-m="1664810" data-d="430">just </span><span data-m="1666860" data-d="200">be </span><span data-m="1667061" data-d="259">more </span><span data-m="1667320" data-d="599">familiar </span><span data-m="1667920" data-d="220">with </span><span data-m="1668160" data-d="470">how </span><span data-m="1668679" data-d="559">technology </span><span data-m="1669649" data-d="19">is </span><span data-m="1669669" data-d="279">transforming </span><span data-m="1670120" data-d="150">the </span><span data-m="1670270" data-d="779">sector </span><span data-m="1671130" data-d="359">of </span><span data-m="1671520" data-d="390">interest </span><span data-m="1671920" data-d="180">of </span><span data-m="1672100" data-d="59">the </span><span data-m="1672160" data-d="609">person. </span><span data-m="1673080" data-d="250">And </span><span data-m="1673549" data-d="200">and </span><span data-m="1673750" data-d="240">there's </span><span data-m="1674139" data-d="170">a </span><span data-m="1674330" data-d="269">lot </span><span data-m="1674610" data-d="170">of </span><span data-m="1674780" data-d="299">data </span><span data-m="1675080" data-d="339">about </span><span data-m="1675420" data-d="430">this, </span><span data-m="1675910" data-d="940">uh, </span><span data-m="1677090" data-d="720">social, </span><span data-m="1677810" data-d="849">economic </span><span data-m="1679240" data-d="380">and </span><span data-m="1680030" data-d="889">sectorial </span><span data-m="1680920" data-d="110">data </span><span data-m="1681030" data-d="309">about </span><span data-m="1681340" data-d="299">this, </span><span data-m="1682400" data-d="200">I </span><span data-m="1682601" data-d="450">think </span><span data-m="1683149" data-d="390">just </span><span data-m="1684550" data-d="630">engage </span><span data-m="1685210" data-d="430">more </span><span data-m="1686300" data-d="220">with </span><span data-m="1686580" data-d="839">technology </span><span data-m="1687420" data-d="259">and </span><span data-m="1687680" data-d="309">with </span><span data-m="1688370" data-d="609">data </span><span data-m="1689600" data-d="649">activists </span><span data-m="1691570" data-d="259">so </span><span data-m="1691830" data-d="410">that </span><span data-m="1692500" data-d="269">you </span><span data-m="1692770" data-d="259">start </span><span data-m="1693060" data-d="359">becoming </span><span data-m="1693420" data-d="180">more </span><span data-m="1693600" data-d="460">familiar. </span><span data-m="1694070" data-d="180">For </span><span data-m="1694250" data-d="180">me </span><span data-m="1695160" data-d="250">it </span><span data-m="1695460" data-d="349">needs </span><span data-m="1695810" data-d="150">to </span><span data-m="1695960" data-d="170">be </span><span data-m="1696310" data-d="100">a </span><span data-m="1696411" data-d="450">transformative </span><span data-m="1696940" data-d="789">experience </span><span data-m="1697860" data-d="140">to </span><span data-m="1698000" data-d="160">be </span><span data-m="1698170" data-d="150">at </span><span data-m="1698320" data-d="119">the </span><span data-m="1698440" data-d="349">level </span><span data-m="1698800" data-d="490">needed </span><span data-m="1699630" data-d="299">so </span><span data-m="1699930" data-d="279">that </span><span data-m="1700380" data-d="380">really </span><span data-m="1700760" data-d="299">the </span><span data-m="1701099" data-d="940">organization </span><span data-m="1702040" data-d="609">engages. </span><span data-m="1703070" data-d="240">And </span><span data-m="1703311" data-d="99">the </span><span data-m="1703410" data-d="279">kind </span><span data-m="1703690" data-d="190">of </span><span data-m="1703880" data-d="460">ways </span><span data-m="1704780" data-d="179">it </span><span data-m="1704960" data-d="270">can </span><span data-m="1705480" data-d="100">and </span><span data-m="1705581" data-d="230">and </span><span data-m="1705812" data-d="220">for </span><span data-m="1706033" data-d="339">me </span><span data-m="1707049" data-d="410">it's </span><span data-m="1708240" data-d="359">other </span><span data-m="1708600" data-d="269">than... </span><span data-m="1709320" data-d="319">like </span><span data-m="1709650" data-d="140">it </span><span data-m="1709809" data-d="359">has </span><span data-m="1710319" data-d="490">several </span><span data-m="1712700" data-d="9">transformative </span><span data-m="1712720" data-d="640">aspects </span><span data-m="1713360" data-d="190">to </span><span data-m="1713640" data-d="130">it </span><span data-m="1713880" data-d="670">including </span><span data-m="1714810" data-d="430">how </span><span data-m="1715730" data-d="369">the </span><span data-m="1716150" data-d="460">impact </span><span data-m="1716620" data-d="150">of </span><span data-m="1717110" data-d="19">the </span><span data-m="1717129" data-d="340">organization </span><span data-m="1717640" data-d="79">is </span><span data-m="1717720" data-d="809">conceived </span><span data-m="1718540" data-d="29">and </span><span data-m="1718570" data-d="500">how </span><span data-m="1719760" data-d="210">the </span><span data-m="1719990" data-d="679">operations </span><span data-m="1721169" data-d="440">happen </span><span data-m="1721610" data-d="200">as </span><span data-m="1721810" data-d="79">well. </span></p>
<p><span class="speaker" data-m="1723280" data-d="0">Hanan: </span><span data-m="1723280" data-d="250">Yeah, </span><span data-m="1723860" data-d="309">thanks </span><span data-m="1724169" data-d="19">for </span><span data-m="1724249" data-d="269">that. </span><span data-m="1726320" data-d="130">Tarcizio </span><span data-m="1726451" data-d="230">what </span><span data-m="1726682" data-d="150">is </span><span data-m="1726833" data-d="150">your </span><span data-m="1726984" data-d="490">learning </span><span data-m="1727529" data-d="140">from </span><span data-m="1727670" data-d="210">this </span><span data-m="1727920" data-d="630">experience? </span></p>
<p><span class="speaker" data-m="1729320" data-d="0">Tarcizio: </span><span data-m="1729320" data-d="99">Yeah, </span><span data-m="1730430" data-d="180">I </span><span data-m="1730610" data-d="470">had </span><span data-m="1731220" data-d="130">the </span><span data-m="1731350" data-d="680">opportunity </span><span data-m="1732250" data-d="450">to </span><span data-m="1732750" data-d="670">accumulate </span><span data-m="1733420" data-d="230">some </span><span data-m="1733800" data-d="599">learnings, </span><span data-m="1734670" data-d="569">maybe </span><span data-m="1735240" data-d="660">some, </span><span data-m="1736380" data-d="339">some </span><span data-m="1736720" data-d="160">of </span><span data-m="1736880" data-d="259">them, </span><span data-m="1737139" data-d="480">because </span><span data-m="1737670" data-d="180">I </span><span data-m="1737940" data-d="190">came </span><span data-m="1738130" data-d="29">from </span><span data-m="1738490" data-d="150">a </span><span data-m="1738680" data-d="230">for </span><span data-m="1739090" data-d="379">profit </span><span data-m="1739480" data-d="390">field. </span><span data-m="1740480" data-d="220">But </span><span data-m="1740710" data-d="200">they </span><span data-m="1740910" data-d="240">are </span><span data-m="1741170" data-d="279">being </span><span data-m="1741450" data-d="1009">very </span><span data-m="1742910" data-d="420">impactful </span><span data-m="1743349" data-d="190">for </span><span data-m="1743549" data-d="299">me. </span><span data-m="1744209" data-d="140">I </span><span data-m="1744350" data-d="299">think </span><span data-m="1744650" data-d="140">the </span><span data-m="1744791" data-d="430">first </span><span data-m="1745222" data-d="420">one </span><span data-m="1746160" data-d="230">it's </span><span data-m="1746420" data-d="140">the </span><span data-m="1746560" data-d="539">way </span><span data-m="1747140" data-d="279">that </span><span data-m="1747430" data-d="119">the </span><span data-m="1747550" data-d="220">host </span><span data-m="1747770" data-d="740">organization </span><span data-m="1748540" data-d="670">connects </span><span data-m="1749270" data-d="720">research, </span><span data-m="1750040" data-d="759">advocacy </span><span data-m="1750860" data-d="329">and </span><span data-m="1751190" data-d="920">education </span><span data-m="1752650" data-d="220">in </span><span data-m="1752960" data-d="100">a </span><span data-m="1753061" data-d="369">way </span><span data-m="1753431" data-d="19">to </span><span data-m="1754620" data-d="490">gather </span><span data-m="1755280" data-d="569">data </span><span data-m="1755920" data-d="190">and </span><span data-m="1756110" data-d="730">information </span><span data-m="1757130" data-d="430">about </span><span data-m="1757561" data-d="140">the </span><span data-m="1757710" data-d="490">fields, </span><span data-m="1758270" data-d="450">about </span><span data-m="1758730" data-d="680">communities </span><span data-m="1759719" data-d="240">and </span><span data-m="1759960" data-d="319">even </span><span data-m="1760309" data-d="559">about </span><span data-m="1761839" data-d="649">themselves. </span><span data-m="1763240" data-d="339">This </span><span data-m="1763580" data-d="529">connects </span><span data-m="1764139" data-d="230">with </span><span data-m="1764390" data-d="180">the </span><span data-m="1764570" data-d="430">cycles </span><span data-m="1766090" data-d="519">learning. </span><span data-m="1767170" data-d="339">It's </span><span data-m="1767510" data-d="420">about </span><span data-m="1767930" data-d="140">the </span><span data-m="1768100" data-d="569">needs </span><span data-m="1768790" data-d="319">of </span><span data-m="1769150" data-d="349">thinking </span><span data-m="1769510" data-d="380">about </span><span data-m="1770560" data-d="480">racial </span><span data-m="1771040" data-d="660">justice </span><span data-m="1771950" data-d="420">not </span><span data-m="1772370" data-d="359">only </span><span data-m="1772790" data-d="309">as </span><span data-m="1773099" data-d="670">a </span><span data-m="1773979" data-d="480">goal </span><span data-m="1775130" data-d="470">goal </span><span data-m="1775630" data-d="569">outside </span><span data-m="1776200" data-d="19">the </span><span data-m="1776219" data-d="829">organization, </span><span data-m="1777400" data-d="220">but </span><span data-m="1777759" data-d="279">also </span><span data-m="1778040" data-d="609">inside </span><span data-m="1779309" data-d="99">the </span><span data-m="1779410" data-d="650">organization. </span><span data-m="1780100" data-d="69">I </span><span data-m="1780170" data-d="259">had </span><span data-m="1780440" data-d="440">the </span><span data-m="1781260" data-d="500">excellent </span><span data-m="1781760" data-d="420">opportunity </span><span data-m="1782180" data-d="39">to </span><span data-m="1782780" data-d="220">be </span><span data-m="1783040" data-d="619">embedded </span><span data-m="1783730" data-d="190">in </span><span data-m="1783920" data-d="49">a </span><span data-m="1783970" data-d="259">host </span><span data-m="1784230" data-d="789">organization </span><span data-m="1785360" data-d="500">that </span><span data-m="1786450" data-d="100">it's </span><span data-m="1786551" data-d="170">a </span><span data-m="1786722" data-d="660">reference </span><span data-m="1787383" data-d="380">in </span><span data-m="1787764" data-d="309">racial </span><span data-m="1788074" data-d="529">justice </span><span data-m="1788604" data-d="539">inside </span><span data-m="1789144" data-d="19">the </span><span data-m="1789164" data-d="809">organization, </span><span data-m="1790270" data-d="269">and </span><span data-m="1790540" data-d="119">they </span><span data-m="1790660" data-d="109">are </span><span data-m="1791220" data-d="100">doing </span><span data-m="1791321" data-d="480">some </span><span data-m="1791802" data-d="829">surveys </span><span data-m="1792632" data-d="779">and </span><span data-m="1793639" data-d="609">mapping </span><span data-m="1794469" data-d="240">of </span><span data-m="1794710" data-d="309">how </span><span data-m="1795340" data-d="289">water </span><span data-m="1796420" data-d="319">civil </span><span data-m="1796950" data-d="99">society </span><span data-m="1797219" data-d="650">organizations </span><span data-m="1797870" data-d="119">in </span><span data-m="1798000" data-d="579">Brazil </span><span data-m="1798980" data-d="250">are </span><span data-m="1799270" data-d="690">connecting </span><span data-m="1799969" data-d="230">their </span><span data-m="1800199" data-d="630">goals </span><span data-m="1801050" data-d="400">with </span><span data-m="1801470" data-d="480">racial </span><span data-m="1801950" data-d="500">justice </span><span data-m="1802470" data-d="470">goals </span><span data-m="1802970" data-d="650">inside </span><span data-m="1804110" data-d="500">and </span><span data-m="1804610" data-d="539">outside </span><span data-m="1805430" data-d="190">in </span><span data-m="1805620" data-d="59">a </span><span data-m="1805680" data-d="619">very </span><span data-m="1806360" data-d="589">honest </span><span data-m="1807010" data-d="200">and </span><span data-m="1807210" data-d="500">critical </span><span data-m="1807710" data-d="349">way. </span></p>
<p><span class="speaker" data-m="1808910" data-d="0">Tarcizio: </span><span data-m="1808910" data-d="349">And </span><span data-m="1809270" data-d="579">finally, </span><span data-m="1809849" data-d="109">I </span><span data-m="1810000" data-d="289">think </span><span data-m="1810290" data-d="220">this </span><span data-m="1810599" data-d="420">also </span><span data-m="1811020" data-d="819">connect </span><span data-m="1811940" data-d="450">with </span><span data-m="1812429" data-d="930">the </span><span data-m="1813549" data-d="339">other </span><span data-m="1813889" data-d="569">learning </span><span data-m="1814929" data-d="619">about </span><span data-m="1817129" data-d="289">the </span><span data-m="1817419" data-d="460">role, </span><span data-m="1818269" data-d="180">the </span><span data-m="1818469" data-d="349">position </span><span data-m="1819110" data-d="670">of </span><span data-m="1820270" data-d="809">some </span><span data-m="1821140" data-d="1039">stakeholders </span><span data-m="1822690" data-d="349">in </span><span data-m="1823040" data-d="319">the </span><span data-m="1823370" data-d="690">education </span><span data-m="1824060" data-d="380">field, </span><span data-m="1824750" data-d="230">for </span><span data-m="1825060" data-d="670">example, </span><span data-m="1825930" data-d="400">public </span><span data-m="1826429" data-d="279">school </span><span data-m="1826710" data-d="710">teachers </span><span data-m="1827450" data-d="230">and </span><span data-m="1827681" data-d="470">public </span><span data-m="1829379" data-d="450">educators </span><span data-m="1829829" data-d="169">and </span><span data-m="1829999" data-d="660">communities </span><span data-m="1831049" data-d="339">like </span><span data-m="1831429" data-d="299">outskirts, </span><span data-m="1831730" data-d="1180">favelas </span><span data-m="1832929" data-d="150">from </span><span data-m="1833080" data-d="99">the </span><span data-m="1833179" data-d="490">cities. </span><span data-m="1834309" data-d="559">And </span><span data-m="1835260" data-d="180">the </span><span data-m="1835440" data-d="500">idea </span><span data-m="1835990" data-d="359">of </span><span data-m="1836449" data-d="849">learning </span><span data-m="1837670" data-d="470">and </span><span data-m="1838140" data-d="650">listening </span><span data-m="1838900" data-d="299">and </span><span data-m="1839240" data-d="549">working </span><span data-m="1839820" data-d="369">with </span><span data-m="1841220" data-d="309">public </span><span data-m="1841650" data-d="500">school </span><span data-m="1842210" data-d="1049">educators </span><span data-m="1843470" data-d="230">is </span><span data-m="1843700" data-d="210">being </span><span data-m="1843920" data-d="289">very </span><span data-m="1844210" data-d="609">helpful </span><span data-m="1844830" data-d="19">for </span><span data-m="1845480" data-d="250">me </span><span data-m="1845730" data-d="960">because </span><span data-m="1847070" data-d="279">there </span><span data-m="1847350" data-d="109">is </span><span data-m="1847630" data-d="9">a </span><span data-m="1847639" data-d="279">lot </span><span data-m="1847920" data-d="150">of </span><span data-m="1848070" data-d="859">misinformation </span><span data-m="1848969" data-d="299">about </span><span data-m="1849280" data-d="759">technology </span><span data-m="1850380" data-d="210">and </span><span data-m="1850599" data-d="369">about </span><span data-m="1850990" data-d="680">racism </span><span data-m="1851910" data-d="200">and </span><span data-m="1852119" data-d="289">about </span><span data-m="1852410" data-d="779">democracy </span><span data-m="1853549" data-d="690">that </span><span data-m="1855240" data-d="220">the </span><span data-m="1855470" data-d="400">public </span><span data-m="1855880" data-d="250">school </span><span data-m="1856130" data-d="539">teachers </span><span data-m="1856700" data-d="380">can </span><span data-m="1857090" data-d="430">better </span><span data-m="1857550" data-d="849">understand </span><span data-m="1858680" data-d="329">how </span><span data-m="1859040" data-d="190">this </span><span data-m="1859230" data-d="829">information </span><span data-m="1860600" data-d="509">flow </span><span data-m="1861140" data-d="839">between </span><span data-m="1862190" data-d="400">young </span><span data-m="1862630" data-d="450">people. </span><span data-m="1863750" data-d="250">So </span><span data-m="1864000" data-d="200">they </span><span data-m="1864200" data-d="319">are </span><span data-m="1864530" data-d="450">very </span><span data-m="1864990" data-d="100">important </span><span data-m="1865091" data-d="9">stakeholder </span><span data-m="1866500" data-d="380">that </span><span data-m="1866940" data-d="450">some </span><span data-m="1867410" data-d="299">civil </span><span data-m="1867759" data-d="420">society </span><span data-m="1868179" data-d="940">organizations </span><span data-m="1869370" data-d="539">doesn't </span><span data-m="1869950" data-d="359">look </span><span data-m="1870340" data-d="309">to </span><span data-m="1871139" data-d="329">them. </span><span data-m="1872320" data-d="579">So </span><span data-m="1873110" data-d="279">if </span><span data-m="1873390" data-d="130">I </span><span data-m="1873520" data-d="799">was </span><span data-m="1874370" data-d="230">to </span><span data-m="1874600" data-d="630">highlight </span><span data-m="1875810" data-d="539">learning, </span><span data-m="1876390" data-d="269">it </span><span data-m="1876660" data-d="210">was </span><span data-m="1876880" data-d="329">that </span><span data-m="1877210" data-d="89">the </span><span data-m="1877380" data-d="659">importance </span><span data-m="1878350" data-d="309">of </span><span data-m="1878690" data-d="559">listening </span><span data-m="1879310" data-d="369">and </span><span data-m="1879680" data-d="450">work </span><span data-m="1880190" data-d="529">with </span><span data-m="1881980" data-d="250">public </span><span data-m="1882370" data-d="279">school </span><span data-m="1882650" data-d="700">educators. </span></p>
<p><span class="speaker" data-m="1885559" data-d="0">Hanan: </span><span data-m="1885559" data-d="230">That's </span><span data-m="1885790" data-d="230">great, </span><span data-m="1886020" data-d="230">thank </span><span data-m="1886250" data-d="39">you </span><span data-m="1886290" data-d="470">Tarcizio. </span><span data-m="1887740" data-d="160">Giovanna </span><span data-m="1887950" data-d="230">I'd </span><span data-m="1888180" data-d="89">be </span><span data-m="1888270" data-d="240">interested </span><span data-m="1888680" data-d="130">to </span><span data-m="1888811" data-d="250">hear </span><span data-m="1889062" data-d="269">what </span><span data-m="1889770" data-d="210">from </span><span data-m="1889980" data-d="69">a </span><span data-m="1890049" data-d="609">perspective </span><span data-m="1890690" data-d="89">of </span><span data-m="1890780" data-d="99">an </span><span data-m="1890880" data-d="960">organization </span><span data-m="1891880" data-d="160">what </span><span data-m="1892040" data-d="170">that </span><span data-m="1892210" data-d="250">means </span><span data-m="1892460" data-d="130">to </span><span data-m="1892590" data-d="289">you. </span></p>
<p><span class="speaker" data-m="1895540" data-d="0">Giovanna: </span><span data-m="1895540" data-d="140">I </span><span data-m="1895680" data-d="390">mean, </span><span data-m="1896650" data-d="230">we </span><span data-m="1896880" data-d="190">have </span><span data-m="1897070" data-d="130">to </span><span data-m="1897200" data-d="569">recognize </span><span data-m="1897770" data-d="329">that </span><span data-m="1898160" data-d="299">harnessing </span><span data-m="1898660" data-d="230">new </span><span data-m="1898891" data-d="660">strategies </span><span data-m="1899552" data-d="210">and </span><span data-m="1899763" data-d="819">tactics </span><span data-m="1900900" data-d="259">is </span><span data-m="1901200" data-d="390">always </span><span data-m="1901590" data-d="89">a </span><span data-m="1901690" data-d="609">challenge, </span><span data-m="1902360" data-d="599">and </span><span data-m="1903570" data-d="220">the </span><span data-m="1903820" data-d="700">technological </span><span data-m="1904580" data-d="190">kind </span><span data-m="1904770" data-d="130">of </span><span data-m="1904900" data-d="220">like </span><span data-m="1905120" data-d="400">learning </span><span data-m="1905520" data-d="420">curve </span><span data-m="1907340" data-d="359">is </span><span data-m="1907840" data-d="539">steep </span><span data-m="1908470" data-d="230">and </span><span data-m="1908700" data-d="230">can </span><span data-m="1908930" data-d="220">be </span><span data-m="1909170" data-d="269">quite </span><span data-m="1909460" data-d="589">challenging </span><span data-m="1910050" data-d="119">for </span><span data-m="1910170" data-d="130">an </span><span data-m="1910300" data-d="759">organization </span><span data-m="1911060" data-d="359">to </span><span data-m="1911540" data-d="259">just </span><span data-m="1911800" data-d="319">like, </span><span data-m="1914239" data-d="410">yeah, </span><span data-m="1915710" data-d="250">pass </span><span data-m="1915960" data-d="190">that </span><span data-m="1916150" data-d="339">learning </span><span data-m="1916490" data-d="369">curve. </span><span data-m="1917270" data-d="680">So </span><span data-m="1917990" data-d="130">I </span><span data-m="1918120" data-d="359">guess </span><span data-m="1918480" data-d="160">if </span><span data-m="1918641" data-d="89">I </span><span data-m="1918740" data-d="460">have </span><span data-m="1919349" data-d="349">some </span><span data-m="1919700" data-d="500">advice, </span><span data-m="1920200" data-d="99">it </span><span data-m="1920309" data-d="150">would </span><span data-m="1920469" data-d="500">be </span><span data-m="1921059" data-d="369">for </span><span data-m="1921429" data-d="279">the </span><span data-m="1921960" data-d="950">organizations </span><span data-m="1922910" data-d="150">to </span><span data-m="1923061" data-d="279">keep </span><span data-m="1923520" data-d="140">a </span><span data-m="1923660" data-d="410">mind </span><span data-m="1924070" data-d="480">open </span><span data-m="1924559" data-d="240">like </span><span data-m="1924799" data-d="130">an </span><span data-m="1924930" data-d="289">open </span><span data-m="1925219" data-d="460">mind. </span><span data-m="1926869" data-d="149">And </span><span data-m="1927019" data-d="19">in </span><span data-m="1927209" data-d="200">our </span><span data-m="1927449" data-d="569">case, </span><span data-m="1928220" data-d="369">having </span><span data-m="1928810" data-d="9">a </span><span data-m="1928830" data-d="309">team </span><span data-m="1929140" data-d="180">that </span><span data-m="1929320" data-d="319">is </span><span data-m="1929670" data-d="650">actually, </span><span data-m="1930380" data-d="250">for </span><span data-m="1930630" data-d="109">the </span><span data-m="1930740" data-d="309">most </span><span data-m="1931050" data-d="259">part, </span><span data-m="1931310" data-d="299">quite </span><span data-m="1931610" data-d="420">young </span><span data-m="1932030" data-d="109">and </span><span data-m="1932140" data-d="789">enthusiastic </span><span data-m="1932930" data-d="359">helped </span><span data-m="1933290" data-d="79">a </span><span data-m="1933370" data-d="359">lot. </span><span data-m="1934270" data-d="200">So </span><span data-m="1934470" data-d="160">we </span><span data-m="1934630" data-d="210">kind </span><span data-m="1934840" data-d="150">of, </span><span data-m="1934990" data-d="210">like, </span><span data-m="1935210" data-d="819">organized </span><span data-m="1936650" data-d="549">several </span><span data-m="1937270" data-d="940">conversations </span><span data-m="1938210" data-d="200">and </span><span data-m="1938420" data-d="1009">workshops </span><span data-m="1940530" data-d="390">while </span><span data-m="1940920" data-d="369">working </span><span data-m="1941290" data-d="519">remotely </span><span data-m="1941809" data-d="349">because </span><span data-m="1942170" data-d="140">of </span><span data-m="1942311" data-d="119">the </span><span data-m="1942440" data-d="619">pandemic, </span><span data-m="1943059" data-d="250">which </span><span data-m="1943309" data-d="230">also </span><span data-m="1943539" data-d="220">was </span><span data-m="1943799" data-d="99">a </span><span data-m="1943900" data-d="440">challenge </span><span data-m="1944340" data-d="89">in </span><span data-m="1944530" data-d="460">itself </span><span data-m="1946510" data-d="369">but </span><span data-m="1946890" data-d="799">conversations </span><span data-m="1947690" data-d="150">and </span><span data-m="1947850" data-d="690">workshops </span><span data-m="1948540" data-d="299">with </span><span data-m="1948840" data-d="210">our </span><span data-m="1949050" data-d="599">Fellow. </span><span data-m="1950120" data-d="289">So </span><span data-m="1950410" data-d="220">she </span><span data-m="1950630" data-d="170">could </span><span data-m="1950800" data-d="769">actually </span><span data-m="1951580" data-d="680">know </span><span data-m="1952270" data-d="9">EQUIS </span><span data-m="1953629" data-d="19">as </span><span data-m="1953820" data-d="69">a </span><span data-m="1953889" data-d="559">whole </span><span data-m="1954500" data-d="359">like </span><span data-m="1954900" data-d="329">our </span><span data-m="1955280" data-d="710">organization </span><span data-m="1955990" data-d="140">as </span><span data-m="1956130" data-d="59">a </span><span data-m="1956190" data-d="460">whole. </span><span data-m="1957139" data-d="420">And </span><span data-m="1957570" data-d="269">this </span><span data-m="1957860" data-d="430">proved </span><span data-m="1958969" data-d="119">to </span><span data-m="1959089" data-d="140">be </span><span data-m="1959230" data-d="269">very </span><span data-m="1959500" data-d="710">successful </span><span data-m="1960219" data-d="460">because </span><span data-m="1962089" data-d="39">our </span><span data-m="1962299" data-d="400">Fellow, </span><span data-m="1962700" data-d="150">I </span><span data-m="1962860" data-d="299">think </span><span data-m="1963170" data-d="289">that </span><span data-m="1963730" data-d="259">could </span><span data-m="1963990" data-d="470">actually </span><span data-m="1964470" data-d="420">find </span><span data-m="1964890" data-d="609">ways </span><span data-m="1965790" data-d="220">in </span><span data-m="1966010" data-d="220">which </span><span data-m="1966230" data-d="160">her </span><span data-m="1966390" data-d="869">contributions </span><span data-m="1967260" data-d="230">could </span><span data-m="1967640" data-d="759">permeate </span><span data-m="1968460" data-d="289">all </span><span data-m="1968790" data-d="589">areas </span><span data-m="1969430" data-d="220">and </span><span data-m="1969650" data-d="289">work </span><span data-m="1969940" data-d="670">strategies </span><span data-m="1970650" data-d="180">of </span><span data-m="1970830" data-d="19">the </span><span data-m="1970970" data-d="899">organizations. </span><span data-m="1972429" data-d="250">And </span><span data-m="1972679" data-d="230">that's </span><span data-m="1972910" data-d="339">how </span><span data-m="1973259" data-d="309">we </span><span data-m="1973610" data-d="529">actually </span><span data-m="1974150" data-d="400">came </span><span data-m="1974610" data-d="740">into </span><span data-m="1975730" data-d="420">having </span><span data-m="1976150" data-d="329">this </span><span data-m="1976540" data-d="359">type </span><span data-m="1976900" data-d="319">of </span><span data-m="1977259" data-d="119">ah </span><span data-m="1977380" data-d="289">ha </span><span data-m="1977670" data-d="690">moments. </span></p>
<p><span class="speaker" data-m="1978699" data-d="0">Giovanna: </span><span data-m="1978699" data-d="130">For </span><span data-m="1978830" data-d="460">example, </span><span data-m="1979291" data-d="279">like </span><span data-m="1979570" data-d="240">now </span><span data-m="1979811" data-d="170">that </span><span data-m="1980000" data-d="140">you </span><span data-m="1980141" data-d="150">were </span><span data-m="1980292" data-d="329">talking </span><span data-m="1980622" data-d="430">about, </span><span data-m="1982970" data-d="19">the </span><span data-m="1982990" data-d="380">data </span><span data-m="1983370" data-d="1119">exploitation </span><span data-m="1984500" data-d="640">model </span><span data-m="1985150" data-d="289">that </span><span data-m="1985440" data-d="400">social </span><span data-m="1985840" data-d="750">networks </span><span data-m="1988200" data-d="500">mainly </span><span data-m="1988700" data-d="569">have </span><span data-m="1989690" data-d="509">and </span><span data-m="1990219" data-d="160">the </span><span data-m="1990380" data-d="1000">surveillance </span><span data-m="1991410" data-d="960">capitalism </span><span data-m="1992370" data-d="230">and </span><span data-m="1992610" data-d="599">etcetera, </span><span data-m="1993549" data-d="240">like </span><span data-m="1993820" data-d="220">we </span><span data-m="1994040" data-d="559">actually </span><span data-m="1994610" data-d="349">from </span><span data-m="1995129" data-d="69">these </span><span data-m="1995199" data-d="579">conversations </span><span data-m="1995950" data-d="180">with </span><span data-m="1996131" data-d="150">our </span><span data-m="1996282" data-d="369">fellow </span><span data-m="1996652" data-d="369">because </span><span data-m="1997022" data-d="240">she </span><span data-m="1997263" data-d="160">is </span><span data-m="1997449" data-d="730">designing </span><span data-m="1998230" data-d="450">a </span><span data-m="1998879" data-d="250">new </span><span data-m="1999150" data-d="500">social </span><span data-m="1999720" data-d="569">platform </span><span data-m="2000300" data-d="259">like </span><span data-m="2000560" data-d="119">I </span><span data-m="2000700" data-d="250">told </span><span data-m="2000950" data-d="79">you </span><span data-m="2001030" data-d="380">about, </span><span data-m="2002520" data-d="460">we </span><span data-m="2002990" data-d="200">we </span><span data-m="2003190" data-d="289">came </span><span data-m="2003480" data-d="359">about </span><span data-m="2003850" data-d="119">the </span><span data-m="2004129" data-d="579">importance </span><span data-m="2004709" data-d="230">of </span><span data-m="2005120" data-d="410">even </span><span data-m="2005530" data-d="200">kind </span><span data-m="2005730" data-d="150">of </span><span data-m="2005880" data-d="130">like </span><span data-m="2006010" data-d="640">designing </span><span data-m="2006820" data-d="230">and </span><span data-m="2007050" data-d="759">implementing </span><span data-m="2007809" data-d="420">together </span><span data-m="2008230" data-d="220">with </span><span data-m="2008450" data-d="309">her </span><span data-m="2009240" data-d="440">content </span><span data-m="2009719" data-d="609">moderation </span><span data-m="2010349" data-d="869">principles. </span><span data-m="2011360" data-d="630">Principles </span><span data-m="2012000" data-d="259">from </span><span data-m="2012259" data-d="69">a </span><span data-m="2012330" data-d="500">feminist </span><span data-m="2012830" data-d="740">perspective. </span><span data-m="2014010" data-d="200">So </span><span data-m="2014211" data-d="190">that </span><span data-m="2014420" data-d="190">was </span><span data-m="2014629" data-d="190">kind </span><span data-m="2014820" data-d="140">of </span><span data-m="2014961" data-d="190">like </span><span data-m="2015152" data-d="109">an </span><span data-m="2015270" data-d="279">aha </span><span data-m="2015549" data-d="599">moment, </span><span data-m="2016160" data-d="259">very </span><span data-m="2016420" data-d="940">surprising. </span><span data-m="2017750" data-d="440">And </span><span data-m="2018210" data-d="190">it </span><span data-m="2018400" data-d="180">kind </span><span data-m="2018580" data-d="130">of </span><span data-m="2018710" data-d="359">like </span><span data-m="2019200" data-d="359">was </span><span data-m="2019600" data-d="599">possible </span><span data-m="2020210" data-d="519">because </span><span data-m="2020760" data-d="700">we </span><span data-m="2022260" data-d="329">kept </span><span data-m="2022590" data-d="119">an </span><span data-m="2022710" data-d="259">open </span><span data-m="2022970" data-d="430">mind </span><span data-m="2024170" data-d="359">and </span><span data-m="2024540" data-d="220">we </span><span data-m="2024760" data-d="210">kind </span><span data-m="2024970" data-d="130">of, </span><span data-m="2025101" data-d="230">like </span><span data-m="2025940" data-d="319">got </span><span data-m="2026530" data-d="369">passed </span><span data-m="2026910" data-d="400">by </span><span data-m="2027349" data-d="400">the </span><span data-m="2027800" data-d="460">learning </span><span data-m="2028710" data-d="100">curve </span><span data-m="2028811" data-d="289">that </span><span data-m="2029101" data-d="170">the </span><span data-m="2029272" data-d="589">technology </span><span data-m="2029862" data-d="519">itself </span><span data-m="2030382" data-d="200">kind </span><span data-m="2030583" data-d="140">of </span><span data-m="2030724" data-d="160">like </span><span data-m="2030885" data-d="480">pulses </span><span data-m="2031366" data-d="130">for </span><span data-m="2031497" data-d="1009">organizations. </span><span data-m="2033020" data-d="240">But </span><span data-m="2033260" data-d="400">also, </span><span data-m="2034070" data-d="240">we </span><span data-m="2034310" data-d="369">worked </span><span data-m="2034680" data-d="19">as </span><span data-m="2035140" data-d="9">a </span><span data-m="2035170" data-d="529">whole, </span><span data-m="2035710" data-d="359">like </span><span data-m="2036080" data-d="640">she </span><span data-m="2036720" data-d="559">wasn't... </span><span data-m="2037700" data-d="210">She </span><span data-m="2037910" data-d="220">was </span><span data-m="2038130" data-d="240">not </span><span data-m="2038390" data-d="470">only </span><span data-m="2038880" data-d="440">working </span><span data-m="2039320" data-d="240">with </span><span data-m="2039590" data-d="380">us </span><span data-m="2040000" data-d="250">as </span><span data-m="2040260" data-d="269">the </span><span data-m="2040600" data-d="819">communications </span><span data-m="2041450" data-d="579">area, </span><span data-m="2042040" data-d="289">but </span><span data-m="2042550" data-d="200">in </span><span data-m="2042750" data-d="319">fact, </span><span data-m="2043070" data-d="220">with </span><span data-m="2043300" data-d="150">the </span><span data-m="2043450" data-d="730">directive, </span><span data-m="2044181" data-d="89">the </span><span data-m="2044280" data-d="490">management </span><span data-m="2044770" data-d="529">team, </span><span data-m="2045740" data-d="319">and </span><span data-m="2046070" data-d="329">also </span><span data-m="2046400" data-d="130">the </span><span data-m="2046670" data-d="619">programmatic </span><span data-m="2047320" data-d="259">and </span><span data-m="2047600" data-d="1000">administrative </span><span data-m="2048820" data-d="360">areas, </span><span data-m="2050539" data-d="170">so </span><span data-m="2050709" data-d="219">that </span><span data-m="2050929" data-d="179">was </span><span data-m="2051139" data-d="179">kind </span><span data-m="2051320" data-d="139">of </span><span data-m="2051459" data-d="210">like, </span><span data-m="2051719" data-d="699">really </span><span data-m="2052949" data-d="119">a </span><span data-m="2053070" data-d="730">successful </span><span data-m="2053820" data-d="679">practice, </span><span data-m="2054670" data-d="150">I </span><span data-m="2054820" data-d="219">might </span><span data-m="2055040" data-d="329">say, </span><span data-m="2055650" data-d="260">yeah. </span></p>
<p><span class="speaker" data-m="2058100" data-d="0">Hanan: </span><span data-m="2058100" data-d="519">Thanks. </span><span data-m="2059159" data-d="119">I </span><span data-m="2059280" data-d="179">have </span><span data-m="2059460" data-d="190">so </span><span data-m="2059650" data-d="219">many </span><span data-m="2059880" data-d="199">more </span><span data-m="2060080" data-d="429">questions, </span><span data-m="2060510" data-d="139">but </span><span data-m="2060650" data-d="110">I'm </span><span data-m="2060760" data-d="199">just </span><span data-m="2060960" data-d="380">conscious </span><span data-m="2061340" data-d="119">of </span><span data-m="2061460" data-d="320">time. </span><span data-m="2061780" data-d="139">So </span><span data-m="2061920" data-d="159">I'm </span><span data-m="2062080" data-d="230">gonna </span><span data-m="2062480" data-d="30">let </span><span data-m="2062510" data-d="79">Brian </span><span data-m="2064380" data-d="230">share </span><span data-m="2064610" data-d="210">any </span><span data-m="2064820" data-d="219">words </span><span data-m="2065040" data-d="50">of </span><span data-m="2065099" data-d="420">wisdom </span><span data-m="2065520" data-d="150">with </span><span data-m="2065670" data-d="170">us </span><span data-m="2065840" data-d="309">before </span><span data-m="2066150" data-d="309">we </span><span data-m="2066690" data-d="260">switch </span><span data-m="2066951" data-d="110">to </span><span data-m="2067100" data-d="409">questions. </span></p>
<p><span class="speaker" data-m="2069389" data-d="0">Brian: </span><span data-m="2069389" data-d="320">Yeah, </span><span data-m="2070649" data-d="239">uh, </span><span data-m="2071070" data-d="179">in </span><span data-m="2071250" data-d="170">my </span><span data-m="2071480" data-d="269">end, </span><span data-m="2071750" data-d="139">I </span><span data-m="2071920" data-d="429">think, </span><span data-m="2073520" data-d="130">we </span><span data-m="2073650" data-d="130">have </span><span data-m="2073780" data-d="159">well </span><span data-m="2073940" data-d="719">experienced, </span><span data-m="2074659" data-d="469">almost </span><span data-m="2075139" data-d="460">similar </span><span data-m="2075610" data-d="599">problems. </span><span data-m="2076969" data-d="440">And </span><span data-m="2077420" data-d="179">for </span><span data-m="2077610" data-d="320">me, </span><span data-m="2077969" data-d="130">I </span><span data-m="2078099" data-d="309">think </span><span data-m="2078809" data-d="100">I </span><span data-m="2078910" data-d="100">got </span><span data-m="2079011" data-d="269">my </span><span data-m="2079281" data-d="99">ah </span><span data-m="2079381" data-d="230">ha </span><span data-m="2079612" data-d="630">moment </span><span data-m="2080243" data-d="610">when </span><span data-m="2082390" data-d="39">first </span><span data-m="2082599" data-d="150">we </span><span data-m="2082750" data-d="190">sort </span><span data-m="2082940" data-d="90">of </span><span data-m="2083040" data-d="590">realized </span><span data-m="2083639" data-d="409">that </span><span data-m="2084849" data-d="670">technology </span><span data-m="2085520" data-d="110">is </span><span data-m="2085630" data-d="550">essentially </span><span data-m="2086181" data-d="239">not </span><span data-m="2086429" data-d="280">here </span><span data-m="2086709" data-d="320">to </span><span data-m="2087059" data-d="480">change </span><span data-m="2087539" data-d="190">or </span><span data-m="2088040" data-d="469">overhaul </span><span data-m="2088820" data-d="420">what </span><span data-m="2089500" data-d="170">the </span><span data-m="2089670" data-d="269">host </span><span data-m="2089940" data-d="829">organization </span><span data-m="2090830" data-d="409">is </span><span data-m="2091270" data-d="309">really </span><span data-m="2091580" data-d="250">really </span><span data-m="2091870" data-d="210">good </span><span data-m="2092080" data-d="219">at, </span><span data-m="2092350" data-d="219">but </span><span data-m="2092570" data-d="170">it's </span><span data-m="2092741" data-d="599">essentially </span><span data-m="2093340" data-d="250">here </span><span data-m="2093590" data-d="199">to </span><span data-m="2093810" data-d="659">augment </span><span data-m="2094870" data-d="360">what </span><span data-m="2095270" data-d="389">they </span><span data-m="2095690" data-d="389">already </span><span data-m="2096080" data-d="190">do </span><span data-m="2096270" data-d="269">so </span><span data-m="2096670" data-d="109">well. </span><span data-m="2097470" data-d="120">And </span><span data-m="2097760" data-d="139">the </span><span data-m="2097900" data-d="360">second </span><span data-m="2098270" data-d="239">aha </span><span data-m="2098510" data-d="530">moment </span><span data-m="2099070" data-d="300">was </span><span data-m="2099400" data-d="460">that, </span><span data-m="2100650" data-d="400">really </span><span data-m="2101170" data-d="170">the </span><span data-m="2101340" data-d="219">host </span><span data-m="2101559" data-d="639">organization </span><span data-m="2102219" data-d="219">don't </span><span data-m="2102490" data-d="320">really </span><span data-m="2102811" data-d="260">need </span><span data-m="2103130" data-d="250">to </span><span data-m="2103429" data-d="659">understand </span><span data-m="2104090" data-d="639">technology </span><span data-m="2104740" data-d="230">in </span><span data-m="2104971" data-d="320">depth, </span><span data-m="2106119" data-d="349">but </span><span data-m="2107100" data-d="100">they </span><span data-m="2107201" data-d="100">need </span><span data-m="2107302" data-d="239">to </span><span data-m="2107542" data-d="199">know </span><span data-m="2107742" data-d="300">how </span><span data-m="2108043" data-d="199">to </span><span data-m="2108243" data-d="340">ask </span><span data-m="2108584" data-d="150">the </span><span data-m="2108735" data-d="239">right </span><span data-m="2108975" data-d="710">questions, </span><span data-m="2109820" data-d="679">and </span><span data-m="2111310" data-d="199">they </span><span data-m="2111510" data-d="30">need </span><span data-m="2111760" data-d="179">to </span><span data-m="2111970" data-d="610">understand </span><span data-m="2112580" data-d="199">how </span><span data-m="2112790" data-d="139">they </span><span data-m="2112930" data-d="230">can </span><span data-m="2113160" data-d="260">learn </span><span data-m="2113420" data-d="300">from </span><span data-m="2113730" data-d="130">the </span><span data-m="2113860" data-d="619">subsequent </span><span data-m="2114540" data-d="570">answers. </span><span data-m="2115809" data-d="210">In </span><span data-m="2116059" data-d="400">essence, </span><span data-m="2116460" data-d="50">you </span><span data-m="2116520" data-d="289">really </span><span data-m="2116809" data-d="260">don't </span><span data-m="2117090" data-d="230">need </span><span data-m="2117320" data-d="139">to </span><span data-m="2117500" data-d="599">understand </span><span data-m="2118150" data-d="469">everything </span><span data-m="2118620" data-d="110">to </span><span data-m="2118730" data-d="230">make </span><span data-m="2118960" data-d="99">the </span><span data-m="2119059" data-d="269">most </span><span data-m="2119330" data-d="159">of </span><span data-m="2119490" data-d="250">it. </span><span data-m="2119849" data-d="340">And, </span><span data-m="2120200" data-d="159">for </span><span data-m="2120360" data-d="710">example, </span><span data-m="2121080" data-d="250">when </span><span data-m="2121360" data-d="659">conducting </span><span data-m="2122039" data-d="90">a </span><span data-m="2122129" data-d="380">basic </span><span data-m="2122510" data-d="340">swot </span><span data-m="2122850" data-d="659">analysis, </span><span data-m="2124000" data-d="389">it's </span><span data-m="2124410" data-d="469">basically </span><span data-m="2124880" data-d="320">trying </span><span data-m="2125210" data-d="90">to </span><span data-m="2125310" data-d="530">compare, </span><span data-m="2125840" data-d="199">like </span><span data-m="2126040" data-d="349">quarter </span><span data-m="2126390" data-d="429">strength </span><span data-m="2126860" data-d="380">now. </span><span data-m="2127290" data-d="230">And </span><span data-m="2127520" data-d="150">how </span><span data-m="2127670" data-d="190">can </span><span data-m="2127860" data-d="19">it </span><span data-m="2128060" data-d="190">be </span><span data-m="2128270" data-d="400">improved </span><span data-m="2128670" data-d="119">in </span><span data-m="2128790" data-d="119">the </span><span data-m="2128910" data-d="519">future? </span><span data-m="2129870" data-d="210">And </span><span data-m="2130080" data-d="150">how </span><span data-m="2130230" data-d="199">can </span><span data-m="2130430" data-d="139">we </span><span data-m="2130570" data-d="280">get </span><span data-m="2130850" data-d="280">there </span><span data-m="2131130" data-d="190">with </span><span data-m="2131320" data-d="110">the </span><span data-m="2131430" data-d="300">help </span><span data-m="2131790" data-d="380">of </span><span data-m="2132260" data-d="199">of </span><span data-m="2132510" data-d="659">technology? </span><span data-m="2133210" data-d="179">And </span><span data-m="2133389" data-d="199">that's </span><span data-m="2133590" data-d="170">how </span><span data-m="2133760" data-d="269">we </span><span data-m="2134059" data-d="340">came </span><span data-m="2134400" data-d="480">to, </span><span data-m="2135250" data-d="79">you </span><span data-m="2136400" data-d="19">know, </span><span data-m="2136420" data-d="500">identify </span><span data-m="2136980" data-d="539">outputs </span><span data-m="2137530" data-d="329">such </span><span data-m="2137860" data-d="260">as </span><span data-m="2138120" data-d="269">a </span><span data-m="2138889" data-d="320">civic </span><span data-m="2139210" data-d="489">engagement </span><span data-m="2139740" data-d="400">platform </span><span data-m="2140141" data-d="179">that </span><span data-m="2140359" data-d="190">could </span><span data-m="2140549" data-d="250">allow </span><span data-m="2140799" data-d="289">them </span><span data-m="2141090" data-d="300">to </span><span data-m="2141709" data-d="190">sort </span><span data-m="2141900" data-d="150">of </span><span data-m="2142051" data-d="780">improve, </span><span data-m="2142900" data-d="489">improve </span><span data-m="2143420" data-d="210">how </span><span data-m="2143630" data-d="400">they </span><span data-m="2144050" data-d="469">relate </span><span data-m="2144530" data-d="79">with </span><span data-m="2144620" data-d="119">the </span><span data-m="2144740" data-d="340">citizens </span><span data-m="2145080" data-d="309">and </span><span data-m="2146410" data-d="360">and </span><span data-m="2147040" data-d="340">stuff </span><span data-m="2147380" data-d="139">like </span><span data-m="2147550" data-d="260">that. </span><span data-m="2147810" data-d="179">So </span><span data-m="2147990" data-d="349">I </span><span data-m="2148390" data-d="380">think </span><span data-m="2148980" data-d="400">learning </span><span data-m="2149380" data-d="170">how </span><span data-m="2149550" data-d="170">to </span><span data-m="2149780" data-d="280">ask </span><span data-m="2150120" data-d="130">the </span><span data-m="2150250" data-d="230">right </span><span data-m="2150490" data-d="579">questions </span><span data-m="2151120" data-d="400">is </span><span data-m="2152360" data-d="260">very </span><span data-m="2152620" data-d="269">very </span><span data-m="2152889" data-d="329">key </span><span data-m="2153270" data-d="190">and </span><span data-m="2153460" data-d="369">learning </span><span data-m="2153830" data-d="260">how </span><span data-m="2154090" data-d="539">to </span><span data-m="2154690" data-d="159">to </span><span data-m="2154849" data-d="250">learn </span><span data-m="2155099" data-d="429">from </span><span data-m="2155540" data-d="170">the </span><span data-m="2155710" data-d="559">subsequent </span><span data-m="2156309" data-d="449">answers </span><span data-m="2156759" data-d="179">that </span><span data-m="2156940" data-d="90">you </span><span data-m="2157030" data-d="219">get </span><span data-m="2157250" data-d="389">from </span><span data-m="2158049" data-d="120">our </span><span data-m="2158170" data-d="609">technologists </span><span data-m="2158949" data-d="130">as </span><span data-m="2159080" data-d="210">well. </span></p>
<p><span class="speaker" data-m="2160969" data-d="0">Hanan: </span><span data-m="2160969" data-d="190">That's </span><span data-m="2161160" data-d="210">such </span><span data-m="2161371" data-d="30">a </span><span data-m="2161402" data-d="289">nice </span><span data-m="2161692" data-d="340">frame </span><span data-m="2162100" data-d="309">that </span><span data-m="2163070" data-d="170">speaks </span><span data-m="2163410" data-d="130">to </span><span data-m="2163540" data-d="289">them, </span><span data-m="2164210" data-d="440">speaking </span><span data-m="2164650" data-d="300">different </span><span data-m="2164950" data-d="519">languages </span><span data-m="2165470" data-d="250">and </span><span data-m="2166270" data-d="100">answers </span><span data-m="2166371" data-d="100">and </span><span data-m="2166472" data-d="639">questions. </span><span data-m="2168630" data-d="300">I </span><span data-m="2168940" data-d="219">could </span><span data-m="2169210" data-d="440">ask </span><span data-m="2169710" data-d="119">a </span><span data-m="2169830" data-d="369">million </span><span data-m="2170200" data-d="199">more </span><span data-m="2170400" data-d="489">questions, </span><span data-m="2170889" data-d="139">as </span><span data-m="2171030" data-d="70">you </span><span data-m="2171101" data-d="110">were </span><span data-m="2171212" data-d="349">saying </span><span data-m="2171570" data-d="210">about </span><span data-m="2171809" data-d="320">asking </span><span data-m="2172130" data-d="79">the </span><span data-m="2172210" data-d="170">right </span><span data-m="2172380" data-d="400">questions, </span><span data-m="2172780" data-d="179">but </span><span data-m="2172960" data-d="159">I'm </span><span data-m="2173120" data-d="170">going </span><span data-m="2173290" data-d="150">to </span><span data-m="2173799" data-d="349">pass </span><span data-m="2174150" data-d="219">on </span><span data-m="2174370" data-d="110">to </span><span data-m="2174480" data-d="190">my </span><span data-m="2174670" data-d="550">fabulous </span><span data-m="2175250" data-d="179">co </span><span data-m="2175429" data-d="289">host, </span><span data-m="2175719" data-d="659">Alberto, </span><span data-m="2176389" data-d="90">who </span><span data-m="2176480" data-d="150">is </span><span data-m="2176631" data-d="159">going </span><span data-m="2176791" data-d="59">to </span><span data-m="2176850" data-d="260">lead </span><span data-m="2177111" data-d="480">our </span><span data-m="2177619" data-d="360">question </span><span data-m="2178170" data-d="100">and </span><span data-m="2178271" data-d="250">answer </span><span data-m="2178522" data-d="469">period. </span><span data-m="2179340" data-d="50">I </span><span data-m="2181030" data-d="460">think... </span></p>
<p><span class="speaker" data-m="2182040" data-d="0">Hanan: </span><span data-m="2182040" data-d="169">Thank </span><span data-m="2182210" data-d="19">you </span><span data-m="2182400" data-d="219">so </span><span data-m="2182620" data-d="269">much </span><span data-m="2182890" data-d="139">for </span><span data-m="2183030" data-d="269">that. </span><span data-m="2183300" data-d="50">It </span><span data-m="2183350" data-d="199">was </span><span data-m="2183620" data-d="100">just </span><span data-m="2183721" data-d="150">kind </span><span data-m="2183872" data-d="110">of </span><span data-m="2183983" data-d="79">a </span><span data-m="2184063" data-d="530">taster </span><span data-m="2184594" data-d="130">of </span><span data-m="2184725" data-d="150">some </span><span data-m="2184876" data-d="90">of </span><span data-m="2184967" data-d="130">the </span><span data-m="2185120" data-d="239">some </span><span data-m="2185360" data-d="139">of </span><span data-m="2185560" data-d="100">the </span><span data-m="2185661" data-d="170">some </span><span data-m="2185832" data-d="99">of </span><span data-m="2185932" data-d="150">the </span><span data-m="2186083" data-d="469">interesting </span><span data-m="2186553" data-d="469">moments </span><span data-m="2187023" data-d="119">that </span><span data-m="2187143" data-d="119">have </span><span data-m="2187263" data-d="440">happened </span><span data-m="2187704" data-d="70">in </span><span data-m="2187775" data-d="130">the </span><span data-m="2187906" data-d="210">last </span><span data-m="2188117" data-d="280">six </span><span data-m="2188398" data-d="480">months </span><span data-m="2189160" data-d="190">with </span><span data-m="2189351" data-d="110">the </span><span data-m="2189462" data-d="289">team </span><span data-m="2189752" data-d="369">here. </span><span data-m="2191330" data-d="610">I </span><span data-m="2191960" data-d="150">know </span><span data-m="2192110" data-d="440">Alberto </span><span data-m="2192551" data-d="99">and </span><span data-m="2192650" data-d="90">I </span><span data-m="2192750" data-d="230">have </span><span data-m="2192980" data-d="219">lots </span><span data-m="2193200" data-d="150">of </span><span data-m="2193351" data-d="449">questions </span><span data-m="2193801" data-d="139">that </span><span data-m="2193940" data-d="130">we </span><span data-m="2194070" data-d="179">can </span><span data-m="2194250" data-d="599">populate </span><span data-m="2195029" data-d="159">for </span><span data-m="2195190" data-d="99">the </span><span data-m="2195289" data-d="329">next </span><span data-m="2195629" data-d="300">half </span><span data-m="2195930" data-d="340">hours </span><span data-m="2196270" data-d="139">or </span><span data-m="2196410" data-d="19">the </span><span data-m="2196430" data-d="230">next </span><span data-m="2196660" data-d="210">20 </span><span data-m="2196870" data-d="320">minutes, </span><span data-m="2197660" data-d="210">but </span><span data-m="2197870" data-d="230">want </span><span data-m="2198100" data-d="90">to </span><span data-m="2198200" data-d="190">give </span><span data-m="2198390" data-d="170">you </span><span data-m="2198560" data-d="110">an </span><span data-m="2198670" data-d="789">opportunity </span><span data-m="2199480" data-d="340">to, </span><span data-m="2200510" data-d="150">if </span><span data-m="2200660" data-d="110">you </span><span data-m="2200770" data-d="150">do </span><span data-m="2200920" data-d="139">have </span><span data-m="2201060" data-d="50">a </span><span data-m="2201110" data-d="340">question, </span><span data-m="2201450" data-d="139">you </span><span data-m="2201590" data-d="309">didn't </span><span data-m="2202010" data-d="159">put </span><span data-m="2202170" data-d="99">it </span><span data-m="2202270" data-d="90">in </span><span data-m="2202360" data-d="110">the </span><span data-m="2202480" data-d="349">chat </span><span data-m="2203070" data-d="199">just </span><span data-m="2203270" data-d="70">to </span><span data-m="2203340" data-d="190">raise </span><span data-m="2203530" data-d="130">your </span><span data-m="2203660" data-d="440">hand </span><span data-m="2204500" data-d="100">and </span><span data-m="2204601" data-d="100">and </span><span data-m="2204702" data-d="320">unmute </span><span data-m="2205023" data-d="469">yourself </span><span data-m="2205493" data-d="19">if </span><span data-m="2205550" data-d="100">you </span><span data-m="2205651" data-d="269">like </span><span data-m="2205921" data-d="320">to </span><span data-m="2206870" data-d="130">and </span><span data-m="2207000" data-d="239">maybe </span><span data-m="2207240" data-d="119">we </span><span data-m="2207360" data-d="170">can </span><span data-m="2207530" data-d="409">switch </span><span data-m="2209240" data-d="280">to </span><span data-m="2209559" data-d="769">a </span><span data-m="2210340" data-d="320">full </span><span data-m="2210679" data-d="570">participants </span><span data-m="2211250" data-d="230">view </span><span data-m="2211480" data-d="139">so </span><span data-m="2211620" data-d="119">we </span><span data-m="2211740" data-d="150">can </span><span data-m="2211891" data-d="110">all </span><span data-m="2212002" data-d="179">see </span><span data-m="2212182" data-d="199">each </span><span data-m="2212382" data-d="340">other. </span><span data-m="2213249" data-d="369">And, </span><span data-m="2215450" data-d="239">if </span><span data-m="2215690" data-d="159">you </span><span data-m="2215850" data-d="289">don't </span><span data-m="2216140" data-d="150">have </span><span data-m="2216290" data-d="210">any </span><span data-m="2216510" data-d="300">immediate </span><span data-m="2216810" data-d="449">questions, </span><span data-m="2217260" data-d="90">I </span><span data-m="2217350" data-d="150">know </span><span data-m="2217500" data-d="309">Alberto </span><span data-m="2217910" data-d="400">probably </span><span data-m="2218310" data-d="179">has </span><span data-m="2218490" data-d="159">some </span><span data-m="2218649" data-d="280">more. </span></p>
<p><span class="speaker" data-m="2220750" data-d="0">Alberto Cerda Silva: </span><span data-m="2220750" data-d="130">I </span><span data-m="2220880" data-d="199">do </span><span data-m="2221120" data-d="230">have, </span><span data-m="2221400" data-d="110">I </span><span data-m="2221690" data-d="159">do </span><span data-m="2221850" data-d="179">have </span><span data-m="2223910" data-d="39">tons </span><span data-m="2223950" data-d="19">of </span><span data-m="2223970" data-d="79">questions. </span><span data-m="2224219" data-d="100">But </span><span data-m="2224320" data-d="100">I </span><span data-m="2224421" data-d="119">see </span><span data-m="2224541" data-d="79">that </span><span data-m="2224621" data-d="139">we </span><span data-m="2224761" data-d="280">already </span><span data-m="2225042" data-d="170">have </span><span data-m="2225213" data-d="210">some </span><span data-m="2225424" data-d="409">questions </span><span data-m="2225834" data-d="250">from </span><span data-m="2226090" data-d="230">from </span><span data-m="2226320" data-d="99">the </span><span data-m="2226840" data-d="100">colleagues </span><span data-m="2226941" data-d="139">that </span><span data-m="2227081" data-d="90">are </span><span data-m="2227172" data-d="360">attending </span><span data-m="2227533" data-d="90">the </span><span data-m="2227624" data-d="670">conversation. </span><span data-m="2228295" data-d="150">So </span><span data-m="2228446" data-d="170">I </span><span data-m="2228617" data-d="159">will </span><span data-m="2228777" data-d="210">start </span><span data-m="2228988" data-d="159">with </span><span data-m="2229650" data-d="199">one </span><span data-m="2229849" data-d="329">question </span><span data-m="2230180" data-d="179">from </span><span data-m="2230359" data-d="79">the </span><span data-m="2230469" data-d="250">colleagues </span><span data-m="2230719" data-d="130">from </span><span data-m="2230859" data-d="90">the </span><span data-m="2230949" data-d="300">central </span><span data-m="2231250" data-d="190">pro </span><span data-m="2231440" data-d="139">in </span><span data-m="2231580" data-d="460">Mexico </span><span data-m="2232320" data-d="460">Jose. </span><span data-m="2233029" data-d="369">He's </span><span data-m="2233400" data-d="300">asking </span><span data-m="2234640" data-d="19">us: </span><span data-m="2234660" data-d="19">How </span><span data-m="2234850" data-d="100">do </span><span data-m="2234951" data-d="100">we </span><span data-m="2235052" data-d="100">bring </span><span data-m="2235153" data-d="420">technology </span><span data-m="2235574" data-d="420">closer </span><span data-m="2235995" data-d="139">to </span><span data-m="2236135" data-d="99">the </span><span data-m="2236235" data-d="210">most </span><span data-m="2236446" data-d="519">vulnerable </span><span data-m="2236966" data-d="380">people? </span><span data-m="2237520" data-d="139">To </span><span data-m="2237920" data-d="100">those </span><span data-m="2238021" data-d="239">that </span><span data-m="2238261" data-d="230">need </span><span data-m="2238492" data-d="159">it </span><span data-m="2238652" data-d="130">the </span><span data-m="2238783" data-d="409">most? </span><span data-m="2239250" data-d="280">How </span><span data-m="2239770" data-d="90">do </span><span data-m="2239860" data-d="230">we </span><span data-m="2240440" data-d="200">do </span><span data-m="2240700" data-d="170">that </span><span data-m="2240910" data-d="129">without </span><span data-m="2241210" data-d="210">even </span><span data-m="2241429" data-d="250">having </span><span data-m="2241679" data-d="119">in </span><span data-m="2241840" data-d="190">some </span><span data-m="2242030" data-d="480">instances </span><span data-m="2242559" data-d="460">Internet </span><span data-m="2243020" data-d="360">access? </span><span data-m="2243759" data-d="590">I </span><span data-m="2244370" data-d="150">would </span><span data-m="2244520" data-d="210">love </span><span data-m="2244730" data-d="130">it </span><span data-m="2244870" data-d="610">if </span><span data-m="2245740" data-d="110">we </span><span data-m="2245851" data-d="179">can </span><span data-m="2246040" data-d="280">start </span><span data-m="2246320" data-d="340">Probably </span><span data-m="2246870" data-d="210">transition </span><span data-m="2247250" data-d="199">if </span><span data-m="2247500" data-d="300">you </span><span data-m="2247801" data-d="119">are </span><span data-m="2247920" data-d="510">probably </span><span data-m="2248440" data-d="300">because </span><span data-m="2248840" data-d="19">of </span><span data-m="2248890" data-d="119">the </span><span data-m="2249010" data-d="119">role </span><span data-m="2249130" data-d="140">that </span><span data-m="2249270" data-d="109">you </span><span data-m="2249390" data-d="79">have </span><span data-m="2249470" data-d="19">at </span><span data-m="2249490" data-d="139">Ação </span><span data-m="2249690" data-d="10">Educativa </span><span data-m="2249700" data-d="99">you're </span><span data-m="2249800" data-d="19">in </span><span data-m="2251560" data-d="219">very </span><span data-m="2251919" data-d="39">good </span><span data-m="2251999" data-d="430">position </span><span data-m="2252450" data-d="119">to </span><span data-m="2252839" data-d="50">answer </span><span data-m="2252890" data-d="150">this </span><span data-m="2253040" data-d="319">question. </span><span data-m="2253390" data-d="150">But </span><span data-m="2253540" data-d="139">if </span><span data-m="2253729" data-d="640">anybody </span><span data-m="2254370" data-d="49">else </span><span data-m="2254590" data-d="170">from </span><span data-m="2254760" data-d="90">the </span><span data-m="2254850" data-d="409">fellows </span><span data-m="2255280" data-d="210">or </span><span data-m="2255510" data-d="150">or </span><span data-m="2255660" data-d="39">the </span><span data-m="2255750" data-d="230">hosting </span><span data-m="2256450" data-d="100">organizations </span><span data-m="2256551" data-d="190">have </span><span data-m="2256742" data-d="199">some </span><span data-m="2256942" data-d="500">suggestions, </span><span data-m="2257443" data-d="219">please </span><span data-m="2257663" data-d="230">just </span><span data-m="2257894" data-d="130">raise </span><span data-m="2258025" data-d="90">your </span><span data-m="2258250" data-d="150">hand. </span><span data-m="2259320" data-d="480">Tarcizio </span><span data-m="2259960" data-d="150">the </span><span data-m="2260110" data-d="159">floor </span><span data-m="2260270" data-d="119">is </span><span data-m="2260389" data-d="369">yours. </span></p>
<p><span class="speaker" data-m="2261590" data-d="0">Tarcizio: </span><span data-m="2261590" data-d="380">Sure, </span><span data-m="2263620" data-d="269">that </span><span data-m="2263889" data-d="179">is </span><span data-m="2264080" data-d="530">something </span><span data-m="2264620" data-d="210">that </span><span data-m="2265570" data-d="100">I've </span><span data-m="2265671" data-d="269">been </span><span data-m="2265941" data-d="550">learning </span><span data-m="2266590" data-d="300">with </span><span data-m="2266891" data-d="739">some </span><span data-m="2267639" data-d="500">teachers </span><span data-m="2268139" data-d="179">that </span><span data-m="2268529" data-d="110">I've </span><span data-m="2268639" data-d="159">been </span><span data-m="2268799" data-d="460">talking </span><span data-m="2269289" data-d="390">to. </span><span data-m="2271040" data-d="100">It's </span><span data-m="2271141" data-d="250">very </span><span data-m="2271392" data-d="519">related </span><span data-m="2271912" data-d="139">to </span><span data-m="2272052" data-d="280">that. </span><span data-m="2272560" data-d="130">A </span><span data-m="2272690" data-d="210">lot </span><span data-m="2272920" data-d="329">of </span><span data-m="2273980" data-d="260">public </span><span data-m="2274280" data-d="230">school </span><span data-m="2274510" data-d="510">teachers </span><span data-m="2275020" data-d="590">from </span><span data-m="2275640" data-d="210">high </span><span data-m="2275850" data-d="340">school </span><span data-m="2276190" data-d="579">levels </span><span data-m="2277580" data-d="219">that </span><span data-m="2277959" data-d="10">are </span><span data-m="2277970" data-d="630">interested </span><span data-m="2278770" data-d="889">in </span><span data-m="2279700" data-d="429">teach </span><span data-m="2280200" data-d="449">about </span><span data-m="2280660" data-d="179">how </span><span data-m="2280840" data-d="199">to </span><span data-m="2281080" data-d="250">think </span><span data-m="2281799" data-d="310">critically </span><span data-m="2282110" data-d="69">about </span><span data-m="2282349" data-d="840">technology </span><span data-m="2283580" data-d="610">has </span><span data-m="2284279" data-d="349">this </span><span data-m="2284629" data-d="409">challenge </span><span data-m="2285250" data-d="139">a </span><span data-m="2285389" data-d="320">lot </span><span data-m="2285709" data-d="190">of </span><span data-m="2285959" data-d="280">of </span><span data-m="2286240" data-d="219">their </span><span data-m="2286460" data-d="630">students </span><span data-m="2287130" data-d="239">don't </span><span data-m="2287370" data-d="380">have </span><span data-m="2287980" data-d="420">access </span><span data-m="2288760" data-d="100">to </span><span data-m="2288861" data-d="500">Internet </span><span data-m="2290110" data-d="159">in </span><span data-m="2290270" data-d="150">the </span><span data-m="2290430" data-d="650">homes </span><span data-m="2291100" data-d="190">or </span><span data-m="2291290" data-d="70">in </span><span data-m="2291360" data-d="99">their </span><span data-m="2291530" data-d="460">communities </span><span data-m="2292340" data-d="199">or </span><span data-m="2292540" data-d="409">even </span><span data-m="2292980" data-d="210">in </span><span data-m="2293190" data-d="210">their </span><span data-m="2293400" data-d="570">schools. </span><span data-m="2294760" data-d="590">So </span><span data-m="2295360" data-d="789">they </span><span data-m="2296200" data-d="210">are </span><span data-m="2296410" data-d="570">trying </span><span data-m="2296980" data-d="920">to </span><span data-m="2298639" data-d="349">think </span><span data-m="2299040" data-d="519">about </span><span data-m="2299990" data-d="329">how </span><span data-m="2301309" data-d="20">to </span><span data-m="2301330" data-d="619">improve </span><span data-m="2302119" data-d="269">the </span><span data-m="2302389" data-d="519">access, </span><span data-m="2302969" data-d="630">obviously </span><span data-m="2304139" data-d="349">advocating </span><span data-m="2304490" data-d="19">for </span><span data-m="2307040" data-d="489">Internet </span><span data-m="2307530" data-d="530">access </span><span data-m="2308080" data-d="219">in </span><span data-m="2308300" data-d="440">the </span><span data-m="2309460" data-d="100">community, </span><span data-m="2309561" data-d="130">the </span><span data-m="2309692" data-d="510">schools, </span><span data-m="2310390" data-d="250">but </span><span data-m="2310700" data-d="449">also </span><span data-m="2311420" data-d="309">how </span><span data-m="2311730" data-d="230">to </span><span data-m="2311960" data-d="840">understand </span><span data-m="2313080" data-d="300">how </span><span data-m="2313380" data-d="480">to </span><span data-m="2314320" data-d="380">talk </span><span data-m="2314730" data-d="219">with </span><span data-m="2314969" data-d="429">people, </span><span data-m="2315639" data-d="550">especially </span><span data-m="2316190" data-d="380">students </span><span data-m="2316570" data-d="130">in </span><span data-m="2316700" data-d="199">this </span><span data-m="2316900" data-d="400">case </span><span data-m="2317799" data-d="400">about </span><span data-m="2318649" data-d="19">the </span><span data-m="2318669" data-d="440">impact </span><span data-m="2319159" data-d="289">of </span><span data-m="2319620" data-d="690">technology, </span><span data-m="2320359" data-d="329">how </span><span data-m="2320699" data-d="409">this </span><span data-m="2321109" data-d="619">technology </span><span data-m="2321750" data-d="239">can </span><span data-m="2321990" data-d="369">be </span><span data-m="2322840" data-d="510">even </span><span data-m="2323400" data-d="630">something </span><span data-m="2324050" data-d="260">that </span><span data-m="2324310" data-d="150">is </span><span data-m="2324460" data-d="280">not </span><span data-m="2324740" data-d="250">only </span><span data-m="2324990" data-d="599">digital </span><span data-m="2326090" data-d="550">because </span><span data-m="2326650" data-d="719">technology </span><span data-m="2327420" data-d="219">is </span><span data-m="2327650" data-d="480">something </span><span data-m="2328130" data-d="590">that </span><span data-m="2329120" data-d="429">is </span><span data-m="2329580" data-d="639">connected </span><span data-m="2330360" data-d="500">with </span><span data-m="2331040" data-d="530">skills, </span><span data-m="2331580" data-d="220">for </span><span data-m="2331810" data-d="490">example, </span><span data-m="2332710" data-d="269">that </span><span data-m="2332980" data-d="140">is </span><span data-m="2333969" data-d="100">a </span><span data-m="2334070" data-d="360">very </span><span data-m="2334431" data-d="900">interesting </span><span data-m="2335759" data-d="829">experience: </span><span data-m="2336759" data-d="230">One </span><span data-m="2336990" data-d="159">of </span><span data-m="2337170" data-d="300">my </span><span data-m="2337490" data-d="829">interviews </span><span data-m="2338730" data-d="230">say </span><span data-m="2338961" data-d="130">to </span><span data-m="2339092" data-d="360">me, </span><span data-m="2339719" data-d="230">it's </span><span data-m="2339949" data-d="539">a </span><span data-m="2340920" data-d="400">teacher </span><span data-m="2341380" data-d="210">called </span><span data-m="2341590" data-d="789">Vagna </span><span data-m="2342380" data-d="10">Modeira </span><span data-m="2343390" data-d="300">and </span><span data-m="2343690" data-d="179">he </span><span data-m="2343870" data-d="280">has </span><span data-m="2344150" data-d="139">the </span><span data-m="2345340" data-d="89">opportunity </span><span data-m="2345430" data-d="120">to </span><span data-m="2346730" data-d="349">talk </span><span data-m="2347090" data-d="469">about </span><span data-m="2347890" data-d="710">technology </span><span data-m="2348650" data-d="469">with </span><span data-m="2349120" data-d="329">some </span><span data-m="2349450" data-d="630">students, </span><span data-m="2350460" data-d="150">and </span><span data-m="2351309" data-d="420">they </span><span data-m="2351800" data-d="329">asked </span><span data-m="2352130" data-d="19">to </span><span data-m="2352300" data-d="59">the </span><span data-m="2353110" data-d="480">students </span><span data-m="2353599" data-d="530">how </span><span data-m="2354309" data-d="210">they </span><span data-m="2354520" data-d="230">see </span><span data-m="2354750" data-d="760">technology </span><span data-m="2355759" data-d="170">in </span><span data-m="2356070" data-d="100">the </span><span data-m="2356171" data-d="309">first </span><span data-m="2356481" data-d="389">phase. </span><span data-m="2357080" data-d="260">And </span><span data-m="2357430" data-d="400">most </span><span data-m="2357830" data-d="199">of </span><span data-m="2358129" data-d="100">the </span><span data-m="2358230" data-d="380">students </span><span data-m="2358611" data-d="250">just </span><span data-m="2358862" data-d="340">said, </span><span data-m="2359203" data-d="269">Oh, </span><span data-m="2359480" data-d="590">my, </span><span data-m="2361490" data-d="230">I </span><span data-m="2361740" data-d="429">don't </span><span data-m="2362180" data-d="280">use </span><span data-m="2362460" data-d="79">a </span><span data-m="2362540" data-d="170">lot </span><span data-m="2362710" data-d="159">of </span><span data-m="2362890" data-d="659">technology </span><span data-m="2363570" data-d="360">because </span><span data-m="2363930" data-d="79">I </span><span data-m="2364040" data-d="170">don't </span><span data-m="2364210" data-d="230">have </span><span data-m="2364440" data-d="460">access </span><span data-m="2364900" data-d="19">to </span><span data-m="2364920" data-d="10">a </span><span data-m="2364930" data-d="1039">smartphone </span><span data-m="2365970" data-d="9">or </span><span data-m="2366160" data-d="90">I </span><span data-m="2366270" data-d="159">don't </span><span data-m="2366429" data-d="210">have </span><span data-m="2366639" data-d="179">my </span><span data-m="2366820" data-d="170">own </span><span data-m="2366990" data-d="429">personal </span><span data-m="2367420" data-d="650">computer </span><span data-m="2368420" data-d="340">but </span><span data-m="2369599" data-d="460">he </span><span data-m="2370120" data-d="269">tried </span><span data-m="2371009" data-d="19">to </span><span data-m="2371030" data-d="400">show </span><span data-m="2371660" data-d="230">should </span><span data-m="2371891" data-d="110">then </span><span data-m="2372150" data-d="269">into </span><span data-m="2372420" data-d="460">discuss </span><span data-m="2372889" data-d="150">with </span><span data-m="2373040" data-d="269">them </span><span data-m="2373580" data-d="250">how </span><span data-m="2373830" data-d="849">technology </span><span data-m="2375000" data-d="420">is </span><span data-m="2375609" data-d="349">around </span><span data-m="2375959" data-d="309">us </span><span data-m="2376290" data-d="250">in </span><span data-m="2376570" data-d="210">other </span><span data-m="2376780" data-d="420">ways, </span><span data-m="2377490" data-d="199">for </span><span data-m="2377829" data-d="490">example, </span><span data-m="2378530" data-d="19">the </span><span data-m="2378550" data-d="550">skills </span><span data-m="2379380" data-d="380">of </span><span data-m="2379800" data-d="920">professionals </span><span data-m="2380780" data-d="800">like </span><span data-m="2382590" data-d="39">wood </span><span data-m="2382640" data-d="670">workers </span><span data-m="2383640" data-d="409">that </span><span data-m="2384080" data-d="340">work </span><span data-m="2385100" data-d="30">with </span><span data-m="2385130" data-d="29">wood </span><span data-m="2385580" data-d="280">and </span><span data-m="2385860" data-d="210">they </span><span data-m="2386650" data-d="690">accumulate </span><span data-m="2388270" data-d="539">knowledge </span><span data-m="2388990" data-d="199">about </span><span data-m="2389200" data-d="530">something </span><span data-m="2389750" data-d="329">about </span><span data-m="2390080" data-d="269">some </span><span data-m="2390380" data-d="630">procedure. </span><span data-m="2391280" data-d="230">And </span><span data-m="2391511" data-d="130">this </span><span data-m="2391642" data-d="50">is </span><span data-m="2391693" data-d="10">a </span><span data-m="2392039" data-d="240">type </span><span data-m="2392279" data-d="149">of </span><span data-m="2392459" data-d="740">technology </span><span data-m="2393520" data-d="210">from </span><span data-m="2393730" data-d="99">the </span><span data-m="2393850" data-d="260">point </span><span data-m="2394111" data-d="159">of </span><span data-m="2394290" data-d="250">view </span><span data-m="2394540" data-d="210">of </span><span data-m="2394790" data-d="300">their </span><span data-m="2395090" data-d="579">students. </span><span data-m="2396160" data-d="329">So </span><span data-m="2396490" data-d="219">they </span><span data-m="2396710" data-d="289">are </span><span data-m="2397030" data-d="389">using </span><span data-m="2397420" data-d="50">a </span><span data-m="2397470" data-d="210">lot </span><span data-m="2397680" data-d="190">of </span><span data-m="2397870" data-d="710">advocacy </span><span data-m="2398900" data-d="369">for </span><span data-m="2400350" data-d="420">surpassing </span><span data-m="2400940" data-d="159">the </span><span data-m="2401100" data-d="469">digital </span><span data-m="2401570" data-d="659">divides </span><span data-m="2402570" data-d="230">and </span><span data-m="2402800" data-d="389">trying </span><span data-m="2403190" data-d="760">to </span><span data-m="2404070" data-d="630">understand </span><span data-m="2404700" data-d="800">technology </span><span data-m="2405719" data-d="679">before </span><span data-m="2406450" data-d="409">even </span><span data-m="2407019" data-d="39">the </span><span data-m="2407059" data-d="289">digital </span><span data-m="2407620" data-d="259">sense. </span><span data-m="2408049" data-d="590">Because </span><span data-m="2408670" data-d="250">there </span><span data-m="2408920" data-d="190">are </span><span data-m="2409110" data-d="250">some </span><span data-m="2409360" data-d="480">learnings </span><span data-m="2409880" data-d="210">that </span><span data-m="2410090" data-d="99">we </span><span data-m="2410190" data-d="300">can </span><span data-m="2410719" data-d="400">bring </span><span data-m="2411129" data-d="530">for </span><span data-m="2411699" data-d="349">other </span><span data-m="2412070" data-d="210">types </span><span data-m="2412281" data-d="159">of </span><span data-m="2412470" data-d="829">technologies </span><span data-m="2413300" data-d="369">through </span><span data-m="2413700" data-d="130">the </span><span data-m="2413830" data-d="100">digital </span><span data-m="2413931" data-d="100">arena. </span></p>
<p><span class="speaker" data-m="2414032" data-d="0">Alberto: </span><span data-m="2414032" data-d="100">Thank </span><span data-m="2414133" data-d="100">you </span><span data-m="2414234" data-d="10">Tarcizio. </span><span data-m="2414245" data-d="679">Giovanna </span><span data-m="2418870" data-d="100">allow </span><span data-m="2418971" data-d="100">to </span><span data-m="2419072" data-d="100">me </span><span data-m="2419173" data-d="110">to </span><span data-m="2419284" data-d="159">put </span><span data-m="2419444" data-d="99">you </span><span data-m="2419544" data-d="100">in </span><span data-m="2419645" data-d="119">the </span><span data-m="2419765" data-d="289">spot </span><span data-m="2420055" data-d="50">a </span><span data-m="2420106" data-d="130">little </span><span data-m="2420237" data-d="309">bit, </span><span data-m="2420870" data-d="329">thinking </span><span data-m="2421700" data-d="190">on </span><span data-m="2421891" data-d="139">the </span><span data-m="2422030" data-d="630">increasing </span><span data-m="2423500" data-d="349">critical </span><span data-m="2423849" data-d="460">voices </span><span data-m="2424309" data-d="340">that </span><span data-m="2425009" data-d="199">from </span><span data-m="2425210" data-d="79">the </span><span data-m="2425290" data-d="570">feminist </span><span data-m="2425860" data-d="309">movement </span><span data-m="2426170" data-d="110">but </span><span data-m="2426280" data-d="239">also </span><span data-m="2426520" data-d="170">from </span><span data-m="2426690" data-d="110">the </span><span data-m="2426801" data-d="300">racial </span><span data-m="2427102" data-d="340">justice </span><span data-m="2427910" data-d="100">movement </span><span data-m="2428011" data-d="100">in </span><span data-m="2428112" data-d="579">Mexico </span><span data-m="2428692" data-d="340">are </span><span data-m="2429350" data-d="100">coming </span><span data-m="2429451" data-d="100">to </span><span data-m="2429552" data-d="90">the </span><span data-m="2429643" data-d="349">attention </span><span data-m="2429993" data-d="250">about </span><span data-m="2430244" data-d="110">the </span><span data-m="2430355" data-d="250">need </span><span data-m="2430606" data-d="269">to </span><span data-m="2430876" data-d="929">overcome </span><span data-m="2432110" data-d="340">unfair </span><span data-m="2432450" data-d="639">distribution </span><span data-m="2433090" data-d="99">of </span><span data-m="2433250" data-d="559">technology </span><span data-m="2434090" data-d="139">and </span><span data-m="2434240" data-d="119">for </span><span data-m="2434360" data-d="460">engagement </span><span data-m="2434840" data-d="190">with </span><span data-m="2435040" data-d="579">technology </span><span data-m="2435930" data-d="389">and </span><span data-m="2436350" data-d="250">lack </span><span data-m="2436600" data-d="110">of </span><span data-m="2436710" data-d="469">faxes, </span><span data-m="2437380" data-d="30">and </span><span data-m="2438080" data-d="199">lack </span><span data-m="2438280" data-d="130">of </span><span data-m="2438520" data-d="460">opportunities </span><span data-m="2438980" data-d="159">to </span><span data-m="2439190" data-d="369">shape </span><span data-m="2439950" data-d="50">the </span><span data-m="2440000" data-d="480">technological </span><span data-m="2440480" data-d="590">environment. </span><span data-m="2441400" data-d="39">How </span><span data-m="2442009" data-d="100">do </span><span data-m="2442110" data-d="139">you </span><span data-m="2442250" data-d="340">see </span><span data-m="2442591" data-d="300">that </span><span data-m="2442980" data-d="500">technology </span><span data-m="2443559" data-d="420">can </span><span data-m="2443990" data-d="590">breach </span><span data-m="2444620" data-d="349">with </span><span data-m="2445210" data-d="100">those </span><span data-m="2445311" data-d="30">that </span><span data-m="2445342" data-d="190">are </span><span data-m="2445533" data-d="380">usually </span><span data-m="2445914" data-d="960">marginalized </span><span data-m="2446875" data-d="19">in </span><span data-m="2448100" data-d="90">the </span><span data-m="2448190" data-d="409">Mexican </span><span data-m="2448640" data-d="449">context? </span></p>
<p><span class="speaker" data-m="2453330" data-d="0">Giovanna: </span><span data-m="2453330" data-d="110">I </span><span data-m="2453440" data-d="260">mean, </span><span data-m="2453710" data-d="349">bridging </span><span data-m="2454220" data-d="19">the </span><span data-m="2454250" data-d="380">digital </span><span data-m="2454630" data-d="469">divide </span><span data-m="2455100" data-d="179">is </span><span data-m="2455300" data-d="210">kind </span><span data-m="2455510" data-d="170">of </span><span data-m="2455680" data-d="260">like </span><span data-m="2455960" data-d="170">a </span><span data-m="2456130" data-d="1010">really </span><span data-m="2458040" data-d="10">a </span><span data-m="2458059" data-d="449">prevalent </span><span data-m="2458520" data-d="699">challenge, </span><span data-m="2459509" data-d="780">especially </span><span data-m="2460860" data-d="389">like </span><span data-m="2461250" data-d="349">in </span><span data-m="2461610" data-d="269">in </span><span data-m="2461880" data-d="260">rural </span><span data-m="2462420" data-d="980">contexts. </span><span data-m="2463420" data-d="360">And </span><span data-m="2463790" data-d="829">also </span><span data-m="2466660" data-d="199">in </span><span data-m="2466869" data-d="539">context </span><span data-m="2467410" data-d="159">that </span><span data-m="2467570" data-d="170">are </span><span data-m="2467741" data-d="449">not </span><span data-m="2468500" data-d="550">urban. </span><span data-m="2469160" data-d="429">Right? </span><span data-m="2469600" data-d="19">So </span><span data-m="2471220" data-d="130">I </span><span data-m="2471350" data-d="280">think </span><span data-m="2471630" data-d="440">that </span><span data-m="2472380" data-d="119">I </span><span data-m="2472500" data-d="210">mean, </span><span data-m="2472710" data-d="380">that's </span><span data-m="2473100" data-d="210">kind </span><span data-m="2473310" data-d="159">of </span><span data-m="2473470" data-d="250">like </span><span data-m="2473720" data-d="70">a </span><span data-m="2473790" data-d="400">million </span><span data-m="2474190" data-d="250">dollar </span><span data-m="2474440" data-d="519">question </span><span data-m="2475840" data-d="210">in </span><span data-m="2476050" data-d="329">terms </span><span data-m="2476380" data-d="260">of </span><span data-m="2476650" data-d="369">how </span><span data-m="2477030" data-d="210">how </span><span data-m="2477270" data-d="99">do </span><span data-m="2477370" data-d="329">we </span><span data-m="2477710" data-d="610">make... </span><span data-m="2479410" data-d="719">guarantee </span><span data-m="2480299" data-d="320">that </span><span data-m="2480889" data-d="449">more </span><span data-m="2481339" data-d="460">people </span><span data-m="2481809" data-d="360">have </span><span data-m="2482199" data-d="639">access </span><span data-m="2482840" data-d="480">to </span><span data-m="2483670" data-d="599">technology? </span><span data-m="2484270" data-d="159">But </span><span data-m="2484820" data-d="340">as </span><span data-m="2485660" data-d="139">as </span><span data-m="2485800" data-d="670">Tarcizio </span><span data-m="2486470" data-d="50">was </span><span data-m="2486520" data-d="239">saying </span><span data-m="2486930" data-d="309">like, </span><span data-m="2487860" data-d="139">I </span><span data-m="2488000" data-d="269">think </span><span data-m="2488270" data-d="150">that </span><span data-m="2488420" data-d="150">it </span><span data-m="2488570" data-d="139">is </span><span data-m="2488710" data-d="670">important </span><span data-m="2489390" data-d="449">to </span><span data-m="2490710" data-d="230">point </span><span data-m="2490990" data-d="260">out </span><span data-m="2491260" data-d="130">to </span><span data-m="2491390" data-d="119">the </span><span data-m="2491510" data-d="420">fact </span><span data-m="2491990" data-d="489">that </span><span data-m="2493540" data-d="610">technology </span><span data-m="2494160" data-d="90">is </span><span data-m="2494270" data-d="230">all </span><span data-m="2494500" data-d="380">around </span><span data-m="2494880" data-d="349">us, </span><span data-m="2495300" data-d="179">and </span><span data-m="2495480" data-d="210">it's </span><span data-m="2495700" data-d="300">not </span><span data-m="2496020" data-d="679">only </span><span data-m="2496750" data-d="550">based </span><span data-m="2497309" data-d="349">in </span><span data-m="2497700" data-d="420">access </span><span data-m="2498120" data-d="119">to </span><span data-m="2498240" data-d="619">internet </span><span data-m="2498900" data-d="329">or </span><span data-m="2499250" data-d="440">access </span><span data-m="2499690" data-d="309">to </span><span data-m="2500049" data-d="579">technology </span><span data-m="2500629" data-d="190">as </span><span data-m="2500859" data-d="269">we </span><span data-m="2501139" data-d="360">think </span><span data-m="2501510" data-d="380">about </span><span data-m="2501891" data-d="300">it </span><span data-m="2502279" data-d="369">in </span><span data-m="2502700" data-d="369">terms </span><span data-m="2503070" data-d="329">of </span><span data-m="2505190" data-d="500">connectivity, </span><span data-m="2505780" data-d="429">right? </span><span data-m="2507390" data-d="289">And </span><span data-m="2507690" data-d="349">yeah, </span><span data-m="2508040" data-d="119">I </span><span data-m="2508170" data-d="510">guess </span><span data-m="2508750" data-d="469">I </span><span data-m="2509520" data-d="100">really </span><span data-m="2509621" data-d="300">don't </span><span data-m="2509922" data-d="360">have </span><span data-m="2510283" data-d="219">kind </span><span data-m="2510503" data-d="159">of </span><span data-m="2510663" data-d="260">like </span><span data-m="2512260" data-d="190">an </span><span data-m="2512450" data-d="449">answer </span><span data-m="2512900" data-d="590">to </span><span data-m="2513540" data-d="400">how </span><span data-m="2513960" data-d="469">to </span><span data-m="2515280" data-d="130">to </span><span data-m="2515410" data-d="250">make </span><span data-m="2515660" data-d="119">it </span><span data-m="2515780" data-d="179">more </span><span data-m="2515960" data-d="780">accessible. </span><span data-m="2517179" data-d="179">But </span><span data-m="2517360" data-d="130">I </span><span data-m="2517500" data-d="349">guess </span><span data-m="2517880" data-d="289">that </span><span data-m="2518190" data-d="409">also </span><span data-m="2518600" data-d="280">kind </span><span data-m="2518881" data-d="190">of, </span><span data-m="2519090" data-d="489">like, </span><span data-m="2519719" data-d="440">moving </span><span data-m="2520160" data-d="349">away </span><span data-m="2520530" data-d="210">from </span><span data-m="2520740" data-d="90">the </span><span data-m="2520840" data-d="650">mindset </span><span data-m="2521520" data-d="199">of </span><span data-m="2521750" data-d="659">technology </span><span data-m="2522440" data-d="489">being </span><span data-m="2522960" data-d="380">only </span><span data-m="2523340" data-d="449">based </span><span data-m="2523800" data-d="380">in </span><span data-m="2524360" data-d="550">connectivity </span><span data-m="2527030" data-d="500">and </span><span data-m="2527540" data-d="469">something </span><span data-m="2528010" data-d="179">that </span><span data-m="2528190" data-d="420">is </span><span data-m="2529660" data-d="190">kind </span><span data-m="2529851" data-d="130">of </span><span data-m="2529982" data-d="320">like </span><span data-m="2530330" data-d="300">in </span><span data-m="2530900" data-d="329">that </span><span data-m="2531240" data-d="609">realm </span><span data-m="2532220" data-d="529">is </span><span data-m="2532750" data-d="710">important </span><span data-m="2535589" data-d="190">to </span><span data-m="2536199" data-d="659">bridge. </span><span data-m="2537069" data-d="389">Yeah. </span><span data-m="2540889" data-d="209">Thank </span><span data-m="2541109" data-d="210">you. </span><span data-m="2541319" data-d="100">You </span><span data-m="2541420" data-d="199">wanna </span><span data-m="2541690" data-d="420">Jessica? </span><span data-m="2542700" data-d="29">There </span><span data-m="2542730" data-d="19">is </span><span data-m="2542960" data-d="100">a </span><span data-m="2543061" data-d="100">question </span><span data-m="2543162" data-d="100">in </span><span data-m="2543263" data-d="79">the </span><span data-m="2543343" data-d="329">chat </span><span data-m="2543673" data-d="289">that </span><span data-m="2544200" data-d="289">precisely </span><span data-m="2544690" data-d="269">about </span><span data-m="2545190" data-d="119">the </span><span data-m="2545310" data-d="230">level </span><span data-m="2545540" data-d="79">of </span><span data-m="2545660" data-d="630">integration </span><span data-m="2546290" data-d="110">of </span><span data-m="2546440" data-d="510">technology </span><span data-m="2546960" data-d="139">with </span><span data-m="2547099" data-d="280">social </span><span data-m="2547410" data-d="500">justice. </span><span data-m="2548480" data-d="210">Uh, </span><span data-m="2548740" data-d="139">and </span><span data-m="2548880" data-d="70">the </span><span data-m="2548950" data-d="250">question </span><span data-m="2550279" data-d="19">is </span><span data-m="2550299" data-d="139">how </span><span data-m="2550610" data-d="250">What </span><span data-m="2550860" data-d="130">will </span><span data-m="2550990" data-d="99">be </span><span data-m="2551090" data-d="190">your </span><span data-m="2551280" data-d="710">recommendation </span><span data-m="2551990" data-d="329">regarding </span><span data-m="2552320" data-d="550">achieving, </span><span data-m="2553000" data-d="409">uh, </span><span data-m="2553420" data-d="300">this </span><span data-m="2553759" data-d="610">change </span><span data-m="2554440" data-d="239">in </span><span data-m="2554680" data-d="460">mind </span><span data-m="2555690" data-d="159">on </span><span data-m="2555850" data-d="530">people's </span><span data-m="2556539" data-d="19">in </span><span data-m="2556560" data-d="309">people's </span><span data-m="2556870" data-d="360">mind, </span><span data-m="2557730" data-d="320">uh, </span><span data-m="2558090" data-d="150">to </span><span data-m="2558240" data-d="300">engage </span><span data-m="2558550" data-d="170">with </span><span data-m="2558720" data-d="590">technology. </span><span data-m="2559590" data-d="89">And </span><span data-m="2560140" data-d="19">it </span><span data-m="2560160" data-d="100">will </span><span data-m="2560261" data-d="100">not </span><span data-m="2560362" data-d="130">if </span><span data-m="2560493" data-d="570">you </span><span data-m="2561064" data-d="159">and </span><span data-m="2561224" data-d="250">maybe </span><span data-m="2561475" data-d="269">later. </span><span data-m="2561745" data-d="329">Also, </span><span data-m="2562075" data-d="389">Brian </span><span data-m="2562465" data-d="179">can </span><span data-m="2562645" data-d="289">elaborate </span><span data-m="2562935" data-d="10">a </span><span data-m="2563500" data-d="100">little </span><span data-m="2563601" data-d="100">bit </span><span data-m="2563702" data-d="100">hard. </span><span data-m="2563803" data-d="130">You </span><span data-m="2563934" data-d="190">have </span><span data-m="2564125" data-d="420">achieved </span><span data-m="2564546" data-d="289">that </span><span data-m="2564836" data-d="170">in </span><span data-m="2565007" data-d="100">your </span><span data-m="2565108" data-d="100">organizations. </span></p>
<p><span class="speaker" data-m="2565209" data-d="0">Alberto: </span><span data-m="2565209" data-d="100">Thank </span><span data-m="2565310" data-d="100">you </span><span data-m="2565411" data-d="100">Giovanna. </span><span data-m="2565512" data-d="100">Jessica </span><span data-m="2565613" data-d="100">there </span><span data-m="2565714" data-d="100">is </span><span data-m="2565815" data-d="100">a </span><span data-m="2565916" data-d="100">question </span><span data-m="2566017" data-d="100">in </span><span data-m="2566118" data-d="100">the </span><span data-m="2566219" data-d="100">chat </span><span data-m="2566320" data-d="100">precisely </span><span data-m="2566421" data-d="100">about </span><span data-m="2566522" data-d="100">the </span><span data-m="2566623" data-d="100">level </span><span data-m="2566724" data-d="100">of </span><span data-m="2566825" data-d="100">integration </span><span data-m="2566926" data-d="100">of </span><span data-m="2567027" data-d="100">technology </span><span data-m="2567128" data-d="100">with </span><span data-m="2567229" data-d="100">social </span><span data-m="2567330" data-d="100">justice </span><span data-m="2567431" data-d="100">and </span><span data-m="2567532" data-d="100">the </span><span data-m="2567633" data-d="100">question </span><span data-m="2567734" data-d="100">is </span><span data-m="2567835" data-d="100">how... </span><span data-m="2567936" data-d="100">What </span><span data-m="2568037" data-d="100">will </span><span data-m="2568138" data-d="100">be </span><span data-m="2568239" data-d="100">your </span><span data-m="2568340" data-d="100">recommendation </span><span data-m="2568441" data-d="100">regarding </span><span data-m="2568542" data-d="100">achieving </span><span data-m="2568643" data-d="100">this </span><span data-m="2568744" data-d="100">change </span><span data-m="2568845" data-d="100">in </span><span data-m="2568946" data-d="100">mind </span><span data-m="2569047" data-d="100">on </span><span data-m="2569148" data-d="100">people's... </span><span data-m="2569249" data-d="100">in </span><span data-m="2569350" data-d="100">people's </span><span data-m="2569451" data-d="100">mind </span><span data-m="2569552" data-d="100">to </span><span data-m="2569653" data-d="100">engage </span><span data-m="2569754" data-d="100">with </span><span data-m="2569855" data-d="100">technology. </span><span data-m="2569956" data-d="100">And </span><span data-m="2570057" data-d="100">it </span><span data-m="2570158" data-d="100">will </span><span data-m="2570259" data-d="100">not </span><span data-m="2570360" data-d="100">if </span><span data-m="2570461" data-d="100">you </span><span data-m="2570562" data-d="100">and </span><span data-m="2570663" data-d="100">maybe </span><span data-m="2570764" data-d="100">later. </span><span data-m="2570865" data-d="100">Also, </span><span data-m="2570966" data-d="100">Brian </span><span data-m="2571067" data-d="100">can </span><span data-m="2571168" data-d="100">elaborate </span><span data-m="2571269" data-d="100">a </span><span data-m="2571370" data-d="100">little </span><span data-m="2571471" data-d="100">bit </span><span data-m="2571572" data-d="100">how </span><span data-m="2571673" data-d="100">you </span><span data-m="2571774" data-d="100">have </span><span data-m="2571875" data-d="100">achieved </span><span data-m="2571976" data-d="100">that </span><span data-m="2572077" data-d="100">in </span><span data-m="2572178" data-d="100">your </span><span data-m="2572279" data-d="980">organizations. </span></p>
<p><span class="speaker" data-m="2573260" data-d="0">Jessica: </span><span data-m="2573260" data-d="309">Sorry. </span><span data-m="2573570" data-d="99">I </span><span data-m="2573670" data-d="199">was </span><span data-m="2573870" data-d="159">on </span><span data-m="2574030" data-d="230">mute. </span><span data-m="2574261" data-d="19">So </span><span data-m="2574529" data-d="219">for </span><span data-m="2574789" data-d="139">me, </span><span data-m="2576530" data-d="309">I'm </span><span data-m="2576940" data-d="639">actually </span><span data-m="2577660" data-d="369">coming </span><span data-m="2578040" data-d="420">initially </span><span data-m="2578460" data-d="239">from </span><span data-m="2578780" data-d="100">a </span><span data-m="2578881" data-d="519">technology </span><span data-m="2579401" data-d="530">background. </span><span data-m="2581880" data-d="289">People </span><span data-m="2582200" data-d="210">didn't </span><span data-m="2582580" data-d="320">see, </span><span data-m="2583200" data-d="250">like, </span><span data-m="2583480" data-d="380">people </span><span data-m="2583860" data-d="139">I </span><span data-m="2584040" data-d="269">talked </span><span data-m="2584320" data-d="280">to </span><span data-m="2585230" data-d="359">didn't </span><span data-m="2585590" data-d="510">see </span><span data-m="2586650" data-d="659">technology, </span><span data-m="2587309" data-d="360">but </span><span data-m="2587770" data-d="219">as </span><span data-m="2587990" data-d="79">a </span><span data-m="2588099" data-d="480">positive </span><span data-m="2588580" data-d="360">thing, </span><span data-m="2588950" data-d="320">like, </span><span data-m="2589280" data-d="139">I </span><span data-m="2589429" data-d="210">think </span><span data-m="2589650" data-d="420">Brian </span><span data-m="2590070" data-d="550">mentioned </span><span data-m="2591150" data-d="150">as </span><span data-m="2591309" data-d="409">something </span><span data-m="2591730" data-d="219">that's </span><span data-m="2591949" data-d="269">very </span><span data-m="2592219" data-d="780">empowering, </span><span data-m="2593149" data-d="389">etcetera. </span><span data-m="2594330" data-d="179">I </span><span data-m="2594510" data-d="320">think </span><span data-m="2594840" data-d="199">there </span><span data-m="2595060" data-d="340">are </span><span data-m="2597580" data-d="219">for </span><span data-m="2597840" data-d="239">me, </span><span data-m="2598160" data-d="389">the... </span><span data-m="2599020" data-d="99">here </span><span data-m="2599290" data-d="59">the </span><span data-m="2599350" data-d="869">collaboration </span><span data-m="2600220" data-d="570">between </span><span data-m="2601599" data-d="130">the </span><span data-m="2601730" data-d="530">multidisciplinary </span><span data-m="2602290" data-d="860">collaboration </span><span data-m="2603150" data-d="360">between </span><span data-m="2604750" data-d="370">social </span><span data-m="2605120" data-d="809">scientist, </span><span data-m="2605940" data-d="720">economist, </span><span data-m="2607250" data-d="380">political </span><span data-m="2607630" data-d="829">science, </span><span data-m="2609190" data-d="930">journalists </span><span data-m="2610630" data-d="410">and </span><span data-m="2611890" data-d="750">fostering </span><span data-m="2612680" data-d="909">discussions, </span><span data-m="2613710" data-d="369">multidisciplinary </span><span data-m="2614750" data-d="739">discussions </span><span data-m="2615490" data-d="269">where </span><span data-m="2615830" data-d="170">you </span><span data-m="2616000" data-d="300">try </span><span data-m="2617440" data-d="150">to </span><span data-m="2617590" data-d="429">find </span><span data-m="2618020" data-d="50">a </span><span data-m="2618070" data-d="349">common </span><span data-m="2618420" data-d="539">language </span><span data-m="2618980" data-d="340">between </span><span data-m="2619320" data-d="190">those </span><span data-m="2619520" data-d="699">disciplines </span><span data-m="2620240" data-d="199">and </span><span data-m="2620460" data-d="380">others. </span><span data-m="2621059" data-d="289">Other </span><span data-m="2621410" data-d="559">activists, </span><span data-m="2622299" data-d="389">etcetera, </span><span data-m="2622980" data-d="179">I </span><span data-m="2623160" data-d="300">think </span><span data-m="2623460" data-d="210">is </span><span data-m="2623670" data-d="329">key. </span></p>
<p><span class="speaker" data-m="2624639" data-d="0">Jessica: </span><span data-m="2624639" data-d="269">I'm </span><span data-m="2625349" data-d="549">seeing </span><span data-m="2626170" data-d="170">these </span><span data-m="2626340" data-d="250">kinds </span><span data-m="2626590" data-d="150">of </span><span data-m="2628240" data-d="39">kind </span><span data-m="2628280" data-d="19">of </span><span data-m="2628560" data-d="900">conferences </span><span data-m="2629470" data-d="199">or </span><span data-m="2629710" data-d="710">collaboration </span><span data-m="2630430" data-d="519">start, </span><span data-m="2630950" data-d="19">so </span><span data-m="2632419" data-d="220">for </span><span data-m="2632640" data-d="269">me, </span><span data-m="2633080" data-d="219">they </span><span data-m="2633300" data-d="380">need </span><span data-m="2633740" data-d="119">to </span><span data-m="2633860" data-d="880">multiply </span><span data-m="2634810" data-d="230">these </span><span data-m="2635060" data-d="260">kinds </span><span data-m="2635460" data-d="70">collaborations. </span><span data-m="2637540" data-d="150">And </span><span data-m="2637690" data-d="110">I </span><span data-m="2637820" data-d="230">think </span><span data-m="2638050" data-d="260">here </span><span data-m="2638380" data-d="159">the </span><span data-m="2638920" data-d="110">NGO </span><span data-m="2639030" data-d="599">sector </span><span data-m="2640340" data-d="300">can </span><span data-m="2640650" data-d="199">be </span><span data-m="2640849" data-d="239">more </span><span data-m="2641139" data-d="949">proactive </span><span data-m="2642160" data-d="349">in </span><span data-m="2642549" data-d="429">trying </span><span data-m="2643000" data-d="360">to </span><span data-m="2643380" data-d="440">bring </span><span data-m="2644500" data-d="269">those </span><span data-m="2644799" data-d="539">different </span><span data-m="2646539" data-d="599">disciplines </span><span data-m="2647139" data-d="519">together, </span><span data-m="2647689" data-d="219">like </span><span data-m="2647909" data-d="730">technologist </span><span data-m="2648810" data-d="230">with </span><span data-m="2649070" data-d="469">other. </span><span data-m="2650260" data-d="360">Because </span><span data-m="2651860" data-d="170">what </span><span data-m="2652050" data-d="170">I'm </span><span data-m="2652220" data-d="289">trying </span><span data-m="2652520" data-d="280">to </span><span data-m="2653000" data-d="230">say, </span><span data-m="2653230" data-d="19">in </span><span data-m="2653820" data-d="100">the </span><span data-m="2653921" data-d="570">technology </span><span data-m="2654492" data-d="559">sector </span><span data-m="2655620" data-d="230">there </span><span data-m="2656349" data-d="199">was </span><span data-m="2656550" data-d="179">no </span><span data-m="2656740" data-d="610">awareness </span><span data-m="2657370" data-d="460">before </span><span data-m="2657840" data-d="349">about </span><span data-m="2658490" data-d="460">the </span><span data-m="2659200" data-d="489">ethical </span><span data-m="2659690" data-d="429">part </span><span data-m="2660160" data-d="219">of </span><span data-m="2660400" data-d="739">technology. </span><span data-m="2661440" data-d="159">Now </span><span data-m="2661599" data-d="139">we're </span><span data-m="2661740" data-d="409">saying </span><span data-m="2662180" data-d="170">that </span><span data-m="2662420" data-d="349">many </span><span data-m="2662809" data-d="530">technologies </span><span data-m="2663400" data-d="469">starting </span><span data-m="2663869" data-d="119">to </span><span data-m="2663990" data-d="159">be </span><span data-m="2664150" data-d="349">aware </span><span data-m="2664530" data-d="179">and </span><span data-m="2664720" data-d="429">even, </span><span data-m="2666069" data-d="219">this </span><span data-m="2666289" data-d="620">consideration </span><span data-m="2667080" data-d="300">being </span><span data-m="2667390" data-d="420">embedded </span><span data-m="2668490" data-d="19">in </span><span data-m="2668710" data-d="349">purely </span><span data-m="2669060" data-d="610">technology </span><span data-m="2669670" data-d="610">conferences, </span><span data-m="2670600" data-d="369">but </span><span data-m="2671110" data-d="429">also </span><span data-m="2671540" data-d="139">the </span><span data-m="2671680" data-d="1030">organization </span><span data-m="2672740" data-d="349">of </span><span data-m="2673969" data-d="119">multidisciplinary </span><span data-m="2674120" data-d="599">conferences </span><span data-m="2674719" data-d="150">and </span><span data-m="2674870" data-d="10">collaborations </span><span data-m="2676190" data-d="150">are </span><span data-m="2676340" data-d="570">starting </span><span data-m="2676910" data-d="130">and </span><span data-m="2677040" data-d="179">should </span><span data-m="2677230" data-d="99">be </span><span data-m="2677330" data-d="780">amplified. </span><span data-m="2678940" data-d="90">Definitely </span><span data-m="2681029" data-d="219">as </span><span data-m="2681250" data-d="219">well </span><span data-m="2681480" data-d="699">encouraging </span><span data-m="2682949" data-d="610">mainstream </span><span data-m="2683569" data-d="639">media </span><span data-m="2684669" data-d="539">reporting </span><span data-m="2685380" data-d="230">on </span><span data-m="2685640" data-d="440">things </span><span data-m="2686860" data-d="309">related </span><span data-m="2687170" data-d="119">to </span><span data-m="2687460" data-d="279">that, </span><span data-m="2689310" data-d="219">as </span><span data-m="2689530" data-d="300">far </span><span data-m="2689850" data-d="329">as </span><span data-m="2691230" data-d="239">my </span><span data-m="2691470" data-d="199">current </span><span data-m="2691840" data-d="780">organization </span><span data-m="2692620" data-d="219">Legal </span><span data-m="2692910" data-d="460">Agenda </span><span data-m="2693370" data-d="420">is </span><span data-m="2696290" data-d="820">concerned, </span><span data-m="2697509" data-d="210">I </span><span data-m="2697719" data-d="519">think </span><span data-m="2700860" data-d="329">very </span><span data-m="2701190" data-d="210">few </span><span data-m="2701400" data-d="489">members </span><span data-m="2701910" data-d="159">of </span><span data-m="2702070" data-d="70">the </span><span data-m="2702140" data-d="909">organizations </span><span data-m="2703060" data-d="440">see </span><span data-m="2703560" data-d="559">technology </span><span data-m="2704120" data-d="130">in </span><span data-m="2704260" data-d="199">that </span><span data-m="2704500" data-d="449">way. </span></p>
<p><span class="speaker" data-m="2706620" data-d="0">Jessica: </span><span data-m="2706620" data-d="300">But, </span><span data-m="2707900" data-d="190">for </span><span data-m="2708090" data-d="569">example, </span><span data-m="2708830" data-d="119">it </span><span data-m="2708950" data-d="199">took </span><span data-m="2709150" data-d="250">one </span><span data-m="2709420" data-d="599">article </span><span data-m="2710030" data-d="389">I </span><span data-m="2711139" data-d="100">wrote </span><span data-m="2711240" data-d="320">on </span><span data-m="2711799" data-d="199">public... </span><span data-m="2712740" data-d="250">on </span><span data-m="2713219" data-d="150">E </span><span data-m="2713370" data-d="550">government </span><span data-m="2713940" data-d="139">in </span><span data-m="2714080" data-d="500">Lebanon. </span><span data-m="2715650" data-d="149">To... </span><span data-m="2717639" data-d="239">And </span><span data-m="2717879" data-d="119">I </span><span data-m="2718010" data-d="360">had </span><span data-m="2718440" data-d="300">a </span><span data-m="2718770" data-d="519">reaction </span><span data-m="2719299" data-d="300">from </span><span data-m="2719600" data-d="199">the </span><span data-m="2719810" data-d="610">executive </span><span data-m="2720420" data-d="400">director </span><span data-m="2720830" data-d="210">and </span><span data-m="2721040" data-d="250">from </span><span data-m="2721300" data-d="340">other </span><span data-m="2721930" data-d="510">members </span><span data-m="2722470" data-d="190">of </span><span data-m="2722960" data-d="49">Legal </span><span data-m="2723020" data-d="539">Agenda </span><span data-m="2723890" data-d="190">who </span><span data-m="2724080" data-d="389">actually </span><span data-m="2725670" data-d="219">it </span><span data-m="2725890" data-d="530">exposes </span><span data-m="2726420" data-d="440">such </span><span data-m="2726870" data-d="320">deep </span><span data-m="2727260" data-d="570">problems </span><span data-m="2728110" data-d="329">of </span><span data-m="2728550" data-d="389">public </span><span data-m="2728940" data-d="789">administration </span><span data-m="2729730" data-d="139">when </span><span data-m="2729870" data-d="119">we </span><span data-m="2729990" data-d="269">come </span><span data-m="2730520" data-d="260">talk </span><span data-m="2730790" data-d="389">about </span><span data-m="2731549" data-d="670">technology. </span><span data-m="2732219" data-d="170">One </span><span data-m="2732389" data-d="460">example </span><span data-m="2733020" data-d="210">of </span><span data-m="2733230" data-d="210">this </span><span data-m="2733450" data-d="210">is </span><span data-m="2733679" data-d="309">that </span><span data-m="2734369" data-d="170">the </span><span data-m="2734539" data-d="349">idea </span><span data-m="2734889" data-d="170">that </span><span data-m="2735059" data-d="150">when </span><span data-m="2735209" data-d="110">you </span><span data-m="2735320" data-d="159">would </span><span data-m="2735520" data-d="329">have </span><span data-m="2735889" data-d="170">e- </span><span data-m="2736070" data-d="550">government </span><span data-m="2736700" data-d="199">and </span><span data-m="2737899" data-d="519">IDs </span><span data-m="2738419" data-d="19">for </span><span data-m="2738610" data-d="480">everyone </span><span data-m="2739100" data-d="110">in </span><span data-m="2739210" data-d="550">Lebanon, </span><span data-m="2739950" data-d="719">automatically </span><span data-m="2740670" data-d="260">you </span><span data-m="2741910" data-d="269">have </span><span data-m="2742180" data-d="90">the </span><span data-m="2742270" data-d="360">count </span><span data-m="2743470" data-d="480">of </span><span data-m="2744059" data-d="309">people </span><span data-m="2744370" data-d="309">living </span><span data-m="2744679" data-d="110">in </span><span data-m="2744790" data-d="480">Lebanon. </span><span data-m="2746040" data-d="260">And </span><span data-m="2746460" data-d="90">our </span><span data-m="2746570" data-d="300">last </span><span data-m="2746880" data-d="320">census </span><span data-m="2747429" data-d="219">was </span><span data-m="2747700" data-d="190">in </span><span data-m="2749030" data-d="10">1932 </span><span data-m="2749420" data-d="440">because </span><span data-m="2749889" data-d="90">we </span><span data-m="2749990" data-d="219">have </span><span data-m="2750210" data-d="760">demographic </span><span data-m="2750990" data-d="519">issues, </span><span data-m="2751520" data-d="500">violence </span><span data-m="2752039" data-d="30">and </span><span data-m="2752479" data-d="590">conflict, </span><span data-m="2753069" data-d="90">so </span><span data-m="2753330" data-d="139">we </span><span data-m="2753469" data-d="230">don't </span><span data-m="2753709" data-d="400">actually </span><span data-m="2754109" data-d="230">want </span><span data-m="2754340" data-d="130">to </span><span data-m="2754470" data-d="130">know </span><span data-m="2754600" data-d="130">how </span><span data-m="2754750" data-d="239">many </span><span data-m="2754990" data-d="300">people </span><span data-m="2755300" data-d="159">live </span><span data-m="2755460" data-d="139">in </span><span data-m="2755600" data-d="420">Lebanon </span><span data-m="2756020" data-d="260">and </span><span data-m="2756750" data-d="769">etcetera. </span><span data-m="2757850" data-d="210">So </span><span data-m="2758120" data-d="710">technology </span><span data-m="2758830" data-d="650">exposes </span><span data-m="2759480" data-d="469">certain </span><span data-m="2759950" data-d="599">decisions, </span><span data-m="2760560" data-d="150">for </span><span data-m="2760710" data-d="449">example, </span><span data-m="2761180" data-d="179">so </span><span data-m="2761360" data-d="130">I </span><span data-m="2761490" data-d="460">think </span><span data-m="2762139" data-d="320">it's </span><span data-m="2762470" data-d="730">inevitable </span><span data-m="2763230" data-d="269">that </span><span data-m="2764050" data-d="379">people </span><span data-m="2764460" data-d="90">will </span><span data-m="2764630" data-d="389">start </span><span data-m="2765530" data-d="559">seeing </span><span data-m="2766920" data-d="400">how </span><span data-m="2767420" data-d="440">impactful </span><span data-m="2768070" data-d="130">it </span><span data-m="2768230" data-d="369">is. </span><span data-m="2769009" data-d="309">But </span><span data-m="2769339" data-d="190">the </span><span data-m="2769530" data-d="329">idea </span><span data-m="2769860" data-d="230">how </span><span data-m="2770090" data-d="159">to </span><span data-m="2770250" data-d="170">build </span><span data-m="2770520" data-d="219">our </span><span data-m="2770740" data-d="639">capacity </span><span data-m="2771379" data-d="150">to </span><span data-m="2771529" data-d="820">engage </span><span data-m="2772469" data-d="230">with </span><span data-m="2772700" data-d="190">this </span><span data-m="2772900" data-d="480">power </span><span data-m="2773630" data-d="100">with </span><span data-m="2773731" data-d="199">this </span><span data-m="2773931" data-d="519">difference </span><span data-m="2774451" data-d="300">in </span><span data-m="2775690" data-d="530">power </span><span data-m="2776880" data-d="340">is </span><span data-m="2777240" data-d="260">what </span><span data-m="2777500" data-d="269">needs </span><span data-m="2777770" data-d="70">a </span><span data-m="2777840" data-d="159">lot </span><span data-m="2778010" data-d="150">of </span><span data-m="2778160" data-d="760">collaboration. </span></p>
<p><span class="speaker" data-m="2781080" data-d="0">Alberto: </span><span data-m="2781080" data-d="179">Thank </span><span data-m="2781270" data-d="139">you, </span><span data-m="2781410" data-d="429">Jessica. </span><span data-m="2781880" data-d="389">Brian, </span><span data-m="2783340" data-d="150">in </span><span data-m="2783490" data-d="90">the </span><span data-m="2783580" data-d="269">process </span><span data-m="2783849" data-d="179">of </span><span data-m="2784050" data-d="619">landing </span><span data-m="2784719" data-d="329">in </span><span data-m="2785509" data-d="500">Katiba </span><span data-m="2786009" data-d="539">Institute, </span><span data-m="2787160" data-d="260">you </span><span data-m="2787420" data-d="349">went </span><span data-m="2787770" data-d="219">through </span><span data-m="2787990" data-d="90">the </span><span data-m="2788080" data-d="340">process </span><span data-m="2788420" data-d="170">of </span><span data-m="2789800" data-d="360">meeting </span><span data-m="2790160" data-d="29">their </span><span data-m="2790360" data-d="530">minds, </span><span data-m="2792410" data-d="300">meeting </span><span data-m="2792710" data-d="190">your </span><span data-m="2792900" data-d="280">minds </span><span data-m="2793180" data-d="170">and </span><span data-m="2793350" data-d="159">their </span><span data-m="2793510" data-d="400">minds </span><span data-m="2793950" data-d="179">to </span><span data-m="2794130" data-d="260">come </span><span data-m="2794390" data-d="460">together </span><span data-m="2794850" data-d="210">with </span><span data-m="2795110" data-d="89">a </span><span data-m="2795549" data-d="110">plan. </span><span data-m="2795830" data-d="39">A </span><span data-m="2795870" data-d="380">concrete </span><span data-m="2796250" data-d="250">plan </span><span data-m="2796500" data-d="170">for </span><span data-m="2796670" data-d="309">working </span><span data-m="2796980" data-d="190">during </span><span data-m="2797170" data-d="99">the </span><span data-m="2797270" data-d="349">following </span><span data-m="2797650" data-d="159">two </span><span data-m="2797810" data-d="440">years, </span><span data-m="2798639" data-d="130">and </span><span data-m="2798770" data-d="150">I'm </span><span data-m="2798920" data-d="389">assuming </span><span data-m="2799320" data-d="219">that </span><span data-m="2799540" data-d="230">this </span><span data-m="2799770" data-d="320">created </span><span data-m="2800090" data-d="139">a </span><span data-m="2800440" data-d="100">lot </span><span data-m="2800541" data-d="70">of </span><span data-m="2800612" data-d="289">changes </span><span data-m="2800902" data-d="99">in </span><span data-m="2801002" data-d="210">terms </span><span data-m="2801213" data-d="99">of </span><span data-m="2801313" data-d="590">communications. </span><span data-m="2801904" data-d="19">How </span><span data-m="2802200" data-d="100">do </span><span data-m="2802301" data-d="159">you </span><span data-m="2802461" data-d="409">overcome </span><span data-m="2802871" data-d="199">those </span><span data-m="2803071" data-d="379">challenges? </span><span data-m="2803809" data-d="19">How </span><span data-m="2803830" data-d="110">do </span><span data-m="2803940" data-d="289">you </span><span data-m="2804440" data-d="559">achieve </span><span data-m="2805370" data-d="210">that </span><span data-m="2805580" data-d="239">meeting </span><span data-m="2805820" data-d="130">of </span><span data-m="2805960" data-d="510">minds? </span></p>
<p><span class="speaker" data-m="2808330" data-d="0">Brian: </span><span data-m="2808330" data-d="349">Yeah, </span><span data-m="2809620" data-d="340">I </span><span data-m="2809990" data-d="269">think, </span><span data-m="2810260" data-d="179">as </span><span data-m="2810520" data-d="110">I </span><span data-m="2810910" data-d="240">mentioned </span><span data-m="2811320" data-d="489">before, </span><span data-m="2811860" data-d="260">when </span><span data-m="2812120" data-d="70">I </span><span data-m="2812190" data-d="159">was </span><span data-m="2812360" data-d="389">speaking </span><span data-m="2812750" data-d="329">about </span><span data-m="2813520" data-d="139">the </span><span data-m="2813660" data-d="519">initial </span><span data-m="2814240" data-d="329">Aha </span><span data-m="2814570" data-d="579">moment, </span><span data-m="2815700" data-d="269">it </span><span data-m="2815970" data-d="619">was </span><span data-m="2816809" data-d="690">us </span><span data-m="2818359" data-d="179">having </span><span data-m="2818710" data-d="179">that </span><span data-m="2818920" data-d="809">conversation </span><span data-m="2819780" data-d="440">and </span><span data-m="2820270" data-d="599">realizing. </span><span data-m="2821139" data-d="400">So </span><span data-m="2821599" data-d="300">I'll </span><span data-m="2821900" data-d="199">give </span><span data-m="2822099" data-d="50">a </span><span data-m="2822150" data-d="269">very </span><span data-m="2822420" data-d="510">practical </span><span data-m="2822931" data-d="710">example </span><span data-m="2824449" data-d="239">like </span><span data-m="2824730" data-d="519">Katiba </span><span data-m="2825260" data-d="639">has... </span><span data-m="2826240" data-d="110">Katiba </span><span data-m="2826360" data-d="449">Institute </span><span data-m="2826810" data-d="349">has </span><span data-m="2828320" data-d="99">3 </span><span data-m="2828420" data-d="219">main </span><span data-m="2828640" data-d="300">focus </span><span data-m="2828940" data-d="510">areas </span><span data-m="2829480" data-d="559">in </span><span data-m="2830350" data-d="369">public </span><span data-m="2830720" data-d="389">interest </span><span data-m="2831160" data-d="800">litigation, </span><span data-m="2832030" data-d="679">research </span><span data-m="2832760" data-d="369">and </span><span data-m="2833130" data-d="500">community </span><span data-m="2833650" data-d="579">outreach. </span><span data-m="2834920" data-d="519">And </span><span data-m="2835460" data-d="159">while </span><span data-m="2835620" data-d="159">you </span><span data-m="2835780" data-d="90">are </span><span data-m="2835880" data-d="340">having </span><span data-m="2836220" data-d="179">these </span><span data-m="2836440" data-d="680">conversations </span><span data-m="2837469" data-d="100">about </span><span data-m="2837570" data-d="179">how </span><span data-m="2837750" data-d="139">we </span><span data-m="2837890" data-d="190">could </span><span data-m="2838081" data-d="489">potentially </span><span data-m="2838571" data-d="409">use </span><span data-m="2838981" data-d="179">our </span><span data-m="2839161" data-d="579">technology </span><span data-m="2839741" data-d="139">for </span><span data-m="2839881" data-d="500">community </span><span data-m="2840382" data-d="360">outreach, </span><span data-m="2840750" data-d="130">for </span><span data-m="2840880" data-d="789">example, </span><span data-m="2844020" data-d="170">the </span><span data-m="2844190" data-d="409">people </span><span data-m="2844610" data-d="119">I </span><span data-m="2844730" data-d="179">was </span><span data-m="2844920" data-d="449">speaking </span><span data-m="2845370" data-d="190">to </span><span data-m="2845560" data-d="179">who </span><span data-m="2846310" data-d="100">carry... </span><span data-m="2846411" data-d="100">who </span><span data-m="2846512" data-d="280">do </span><span data-m="2846793" data-d="510">community </span><span data-m="2847304" data-d="539">outreach </span><span data-m="2847844" data-d="179">was </span><span data-m="2848370" data-d="260">sort </span><span data-m="2848630" data-d="119">of </span><span data-m="2848760" data-d="500">feeling </span><span data-m="2849260" data-d="269">like </span><span data-m="2849530" data-d="230">a </span><span data-m="2850120" data-d="679">technology </span><span data-m="2850810" data-d="219">is </span><span data-m="2851030" data-d="280">going </span><span data-m="2851310" data-d="139">to </span><span data-m="2852600" data-d="19">d </span><span data-m="2852790" data-d="130">most </span><span data-m="2852920" data-d="150">of </span><span data-m="2853099" data-d="250">their </span><span data-m="2853349" data-d="420">work. </span><span data-m="2854340" data-d="349">And </span><span data-m="2854690" data-d="99">they </span><span data-m="2854790" data-d="150">may </span><span data-m="2854940" data-d="210">not </span><span data-m="2855160" data-d="239">have </span><span data-m="2855410" data-d="199">those </span><span data-m="2855679" data-d="739">opportunities </span><span data-m="2856690" data-d="179">to </span><span data-m="2856870" data-d="219">keep </span><span data-m="2857090" data-d="159">on </span><span data-m="2857270" data-d="269">doing </span><span data-m="2857540" data-d="179">what </span><span data-m="2857719" data-d="130">they're </span><span data-m="2857870" data-d="320">best </span><span data-m="2858190" data-d="190">at, </span><span data-m="2858429" data-d="349">or </span><span data-m="2859509" data-d="539">essentially </span><span data-m="2860059" data-d="400">change </span><span data-m="2860469" data-d="250">how </span><span data-m="2860740" data-d="230">they </span><span data-m="2861010" data-d="570">conduct </span><span data-m="2861580" data-d="150">their </span><span data-m="2861730" data-d="369">current </span><span data-m="2862100" data-d="690">operations. </span><span data-m="2863369" data-d="219">But </span><span data-m="2863590" data-d="340">then </span><span data-m="2863970" data-d="690">it's... </span><span data-m="2864720" data-d="260">we </span><span data-m="2865140" data-d="159">sort </span><span data-m="2865300" data-d="119">of </span><span data-m="2865440" data-d="289">got </span><span data-m="2865730" data-d="329">that. </span><span data-m="2866850" data-d="130">I </span><span data-m="2866980" data-d="159">sort </span><span data-m="2867140" data-d="110">of </span><span data-m="2867520" data-d="100">had </span><span data-m="2867621" data-d="19">to </span><span data-m="2867641" data-d="530">explain </span><span data-m="2868172" data-d="170">that </span><span data-m="2868343" data-d="639">technology </span><span data-m="2868983" data-d="199">is </span><span data-m="2869183" data-d="219">not </span><span data-m="2869403" data-d="289">meant </span><span data-m="2869693" data-d="170">to </span><span data-m="2869880" data-d="650">overhaul </span><span data-m="2870620" data-d="170">the </span><span data-m="2870790" data-d="449">system </span><span data-m="2871240" data-d="559">itself, </span><span data-m="2872200" data-d="250">but </span><span data-m="2872450" data-d="199">it's </span><span data-m="2872710" data-d="500">only </span><span data-m="2873250" data-d="349">meant </span><span data-m="2873620" data-d="130">to </span><span data-m="2873750" data-d="170">sort </span><span data-m="2873920" data-d="210">of </span><span data-m="2874130" data-d="409">layer </span><span data-m="2874790" data-d="300">layer </span><span data-m="2875120" data-d="250">into </span><span data-m="2875370" data-d="150">the </span><span data-m="2875520" data-d="590">system </span><span data-m="2876170" data-d="219">and </span><span data-m="2876440" data-d="570">augment </span><span data-m="2877020" data-d="199">what </span><span data-m="2877219" data-d="79">you </span><span data-m="2877299" data-d="400">already </span><span data-m="2877700" data-d="260">do. </span><span data-m="2878459" data-d="360">So </span><span data-m="2878859" data-d="329">it's </span><span data-m="2879190" data-d="269">sort </span><span data-m="2879459" data-d="90">of </span><span data-m="2880139" data-d="100">like </span><span data-m="2880240" data-d="100">meant </span><span data-m="2880341" data-d="119">to </span><span data-m="2880461" data-d="539">streamline </span><span data-m="2881001" data-d="679">operations, </span><span data-m="2881681" data-d="219">not </span><span data-m="2881901" data-d="349">change </span><span data-m="2882251" data-d="219">it </span><span data-m="2882471" data-d="190">and </span><span data-m="2882662" data-d="449">become </span><span data-m="2883112" data-d="590">something </span><span data-m="2884060" data-d="100">totally </span><span data-m="2884161" data-d="440">different. </span><span data-m="2885040" data-d="309">And </span><span data-m="2885350" data-d="150">when </span><span data-m="2885500" data-d="139">you </span><span data-m="2885640" data-d="449">approach </span><span data-m="2886090" data-d="150">it </span><span data-m="2886240" data-d="139">in </span><span data-m="2886400" data-d="269">that </span><span data-m="2886670" data-d="309">way, </span><span data-m="2886990" data-d="210">it </span><span data-m="2887230" data-d="300">makes </span><span data-m="2887580" data-d="429">them </span><span data-m="2888040" data-d="340">less... </span><span data-m="2888389" data-d="19">It </span><span data-m="2890159" data-d="309">makes </span><span data-m="2890509" data-d="160">them... </span></p>
<p><span class="speaker" data-m="2890840" data-d="0">Brian: </span><span data-m="2890840" data-d="219">It </span><span data-m="2891059" data-d="269">makes </span><span data-m="2891330" data-d="159">it </span><span data-m="2891889" data-d="100">harder </span><span data-m="2891990" data-d="119">for </span><span data-m="2892110" data-d="139">you </span><span data-m="2892250" data-d="130">to </span><span data-m="2892381" data-d="710">reject </span><span data-m="2893580" data-d="719">technology </span><span data-m="2894349" data-d="110">or </span><span data-m="2894460" data-d="130">the </span><span data-m="2894591" data-d="719">technological </span><span data-m="2895339" data-d="530">solutions </span><span data-m="2895910" data-d="230">that </span><span data-m="2896170" data-d="219">could </span><span data-m="2896389" data-d="99">be </span><span data-m="2896510" data-d="539">potentially </span><span data-m="2897080" data-d="559">adopted </span><span data-m="2898039" data-d="630">because </span><span data-m="2899920" data-d="199">then </span><span data-m="2900120" data-d="50">it </span><span data-m="2900190" data-d="360">doesn't </span><span data-m="2900550" data-d="250">feel </span><span data-m="2900800" data-d="199">so </span><span data-m="2901000" data-d="489">foreign. </span><span data-m="2901670" data-d="170">It </span><span data-m="2901840" data-d="420">just </span><span data-m="2902880" data-d="329">makes </span><span data-m="2903210" data-d="179">them </span><span data-m="2903390" data-d="250">feel </span><span data-m="2903650" data-d="230">like </span><span data-m="2903910" data-d="440">okay, </span><span data-m="2904560" data-d="460">nothing </span><span data-m="2905020" data-d="250">major </span><span data-m="2905270" data-d="159">is </span><span data-m="2905430" data-d="210">going </span><span data-m="2905640" data-d="99">to </span><span data-m="2905740" data-d="409">change. </span><span data-m="2906360" data-d="100">We're </span><span data-m="2906461" data-d="320">just </span><span data-m="2906782" data-d="440">bringing </span><span data-m="2907223" data-d="289">in </span><span data-m="2907910" data-d="90">a </span><span data-m="2908000" data-d="239">new </span><span data-m="2908280" data-d="599">aspect </span><span data-m="2908880" data-d="190">of </span><span data-m="2909580" data-d="449">embedding </span><span data-m="2910059" data-d="650">technology </span><span data-m="2910719" data-d="280">into </span><span data-m="2911000" data-d="210">some </span><span data-m="2911210" data-d="190">of </span><span data-m="2911560" data-d="79">our </span><span data-m="2911650" data-d="449">strategies </span><span data-m="2912270" data-d="159">and </span><span data-m="2912429" data-d="460">whatnot. </span><span data-m="2913420" data-d="190">So </span><span data-m="2913610" data-d="309">I </span><span data-m="2913960" data-d="260">think </span><span data-m="2914230" data-d="260">that </span><span data-m="2916230" data-d="30">was </span><span data-m="2916430" data-d="130">the </span><span data-m="2916560" data-d="289">main </span><span data-m="2916850" data-d="309">key. </span><span data-m="2917840" data-d="380">And </span><span data-m="2918220" data-d="239">then </span><span data-m="2918510" data-d="489">I </span><span data-m="2919000" data-d="500">realized </span><span data-m="2919500" data-d="130">as </span><span data-m="2919630" data-d="199">well </span><span data-m="2919870" data-d="289">that </span><span data-m="2920790" data-d="380">during </span><span data-m="2921170" data-d="479">the </span><span data-m="2921740" data-d="200">Gap </span><span data-m="2922110" data-d="469">Analysis </span><span data-m="2922590" data-d="469">stage, </span><span data-m="2923090" data-d="139">I </span><span data-m="2923230" data-d="699">was </span><span data-m="2923990" data-d="389">quite </span><span data-m="2924420" data-d="300">narrow </span><span data-m="2924720" data-d="480">minded </span><span data-m="2925230" data-d="179">in </span><span data-m="2925410" data-d="79">a </span><span data-m="2925490" data-d="500">sense, </span><span data-m="2926710" data-d="739">and </span><span data-m="2928259" data-d="400">initially </span><span data-m="2928660" data-d="219">when </span><span data-m="2928880" data-d="99">I </span><span data-m="2928980" data-d="190">was </span><span data-m="2929170" data-d="719">conducting </span><span data-m="2929929" data-d="10">a </span><span data-m="2929940" data-d="449">swot </span><span data-m="2930389" data-d="559">analysis </span><span data-m="2930950" data-d="190">of </span><span data-m="2931141" data-d="239">how </span><span data-m="2931380" data-d="139">they </span><span data-m="2931520" data-d="269">use </span><span data-m="2931790" data-d="730">technology, </span><span data-m="2932930" data-d="320">I </span><span data-m="2933250" data-d="269">only </span><span data-m="2933520" data-d="650">conducted </span><span data-m="2934219" data-d="99">a </span><span data-m="2934510" data-d="79">swot </span><span data-m="2934590" data-d="539">analysis </span><span data-m="2935130" data-d="170">of </span><span data-m="2935330" data-d="239">how </span><span data-m="2935570" data-d="150">they </span><span data-m="2935720" data-d="269">use </span><span data-m="2935990" data-d="690">technology, </span><span data-m="2937260" data-d="269">and </span><span data-m="2937530" data-d="159">this </span><span data-m="2937690" data-d="170">was </span><span data-m="2937860" data-d="219">very </span><span data-m="2938080" data-d="369">very </span><span data-m="2938839" data-d="280">narrow </span><span data-m="2939120" data-d="199">minded </span><span data-m="2939490" data-d="380">because </span><span data-m="2940550" data-d="100">the </span><span data-m="2940651" data-d="100">analysis </span><span data-m="2940752" data-d="170">was </span><span data-m="2940923" data-d="179">so </span><span data-m="2941103" data-d="440">narrow. </span><span data-m="2941930" data-d="400">So </span><span data-m="2942330" data-d="130">I </span><span data-m="2942470" data-d="230">had </span><span data-m="2942700" data-d="90">to </span><span data-m="2942790" data-d="210">take </span><span data-m="2943000" data-d="79">a </span><span data-m="2943080" data-d="250">step </span><span data-m="2943349" data-d="210">back </span><span data-m="2943559" data-d="190">and </span><span data-m="2943750" data-d="210">come </span><span data-m="2943960" data-d="170">in </span><span data-m="2944130" data-d="429">again </span><span data-m="2945040" data-d="340">after </span><span data-m="2945389" data-d="570">realizing </span><span data-m="2945960" data-d="159">that </span><span data-m="2946120" data-d="70">I </span><span data-m="2946200" data-d="219">don't </span><span data-m="2946420" data-d="230">have </span><span data-m="2946650" data-d="260">much </span><span data-m="2946910" data-d="139">to </span><span data-m="2947049" data-d="230">work </span><span data-m="2947280" data-d="250">with </span><span data-m="2947590" data-d="219">and </span><span data-m="2947809" data-d="559">conducted </span><span data-m="2948370" data-d="70">a </span><span data-m="2948480" data-d="380">second </span><span data-m="2948860" data-d="10">swot </span><span data-m="2949120" data-d="710">analysis </span><span data-m="2950600" data-d="250">on </span><span data-m="2950850" data-d="170">the </span><span data-m="2951029" data-d="420">focus </span><span data-m="2951500" data-d="730">areas, </span><span data-m="2952240" data-d="849">specifically </span><span data-m="2953119" data-d="369">public </span><span data-m="2953490" data-d="369">interest </span><span data-m="2953860" data-d="679">litigation, </span><span data-m="2954550" data-d="480">research </span><span data-m="2955030" data-d="190">and </span><span data-m="2955220" data-d="489">community </span><span data-m="2955770" data-d="550">outreach </span><span data-m="2956720" data-d="139">to </span><span data-m="2956860" data-d="789">effectively </span><span data-m="2957700" data-d="760">identify </span><span data-m="2958470" data-d="480">strengths, </span><span data-m="2958950" data-d="690">weaknesses, </span><span data-m="2959710" data-d="639">opportunities </span><span data-m="2960349" data-d="190">and </span><span data-m="2960540" data-d="530">threats </span><span data-m="2961530" data-d="280">of </span><span data-m="2962050" data-d="530">the </span><span data-m="2962610" data-d="400">focus </span><span data-m="2963090" data-d="369">areas </span><span data-m="2963460" data-d="869">specifically </span><span data-m="2964840" data-d="260">and </span><span data-m="2965101" data-d="550">then </span><span data-m="2965889" data-d="309">see </span><span data-m="2966200" data-d="590">how </span><span data-m="2967280" data-d="469">every </span><span data-m="2967790" data-d="500">aspect, </span><span data-m="2968660" data-d="309">every </span><span data-m="2968980" data-d="360">focus </span><span data-m="2969340" data-d="300">area </span><span data-m="2969641" data-d="179">can </span><span data-m="2969820" data-d="110">be </span><span data-m="2969930" data-d="340">improved </span><span data-m="2970320" data-d="280">with </span><span data-m="2970600" data-d="690">technology. </span><span data-m="2971750" data-d="469">So </span><span data-m="2972270" data-d="590">it's </span><span data-m="2973230" data-d="340">after </span><span data-m="2973570" data-d="289">doing </span><span data-m="2973870" data-d="289">that </span><span data-m="2974390" data-d="119">I </span><span data-m="2974510" data-d="590">believe </span><span data-m="2975670" data-d="269">we </span><span data-m="2975940" data-d="260">made </span><span data-m="2976200" data-d="159">so </span><span data-m="2976360" data-d="260">much </span><span data-m="2976620" data-d="650">progress. </span><span data-m="2977340" data-d="280">And </span><span data-m="2977630" data-d="320">that's </span><span data-m="2977950" data-d="389">when </span><span data-m="2978660" data-d="150">we </span><span data-m="2978811" data-d="360">started </span><span data-m="2979172" data-d="500">figuring </span><span data-m="2979719" data-d="340">out </span><span data-m="2980480" data-d="210">some </span><span data-m="2980690" data-d="99">of </span><span data-m="2980830" data-d="130">the </span><span data-m="2980990" data-d="610">outputs </span><span data-m="2981601" data-d="250">and </span><span data-m="2981852" data-d="190">some </span><span data-m="2982043" data-d="50">of </span><span data-m="2982290" data-d="490">the </span><span data-m="2982920" data-d="320">work </span><span data-m="2983240" data-d="130">we're </span><span data-m="2983620" data-d="100">going </span><span data-m="2983721" data-d="90">to </span><span data-m="2983812" data-d="139">be </span><span data-m="2983952" data-d="269">doing </span><span data-m="2984222" data-d="130">for </span><span data-m="2984353" data-d="90">the </span><span data-m="2984444" data-d="280">next </span><span data-m="2984725" data-d="139">two </span><span data-m="2984865" data-d="369">years. </span></p>
<p><span class="speaker" data-m="2986730" data-d="0">Alberto: </span><span data-m="2986730" data-d="210">Oh, </span><span data-m="2986959" data-d="230">thank </span><span data-m="2987190" data-d="90">you </span><span data-m="2987281" data-d="230">for </span><span data-m="2987529" data-d="110">for </span><span data-m="2988010" data-d="100">saying </span><span data-m="2988111" data-d="210">that, </span><span data-m="2988322" data-d="329">Brian. </span><span data-m="2988859" data-d="119">You </span><span data-m="2988979" data-d="220">said </span><span data-m="2989399" data-d="59">so </span><span data-m="2989630" data-d="460">something </span><span data-m="2990480" data-d="230">how </span><span data-m="2990710" data-d="409">you </span><span data-m="2991180" data-d="610">achieved </span><span data-m="2991790" data-d="239">that </span><span data-m="2992040" data-d="99">and </span><span data-m="2992180" data-d="150">you </span><span data-m="2992330" data-d="610">realize </span><span data-m="2993440" data-d="119">to </span><span data-m="2993560" data-d="239">going </span><span data-m="2993800" data-d="239">from </span><span data-m="2994040" data-d="139">the </span><span data-m="2994180" data-d="480">solution </span><span data-m="2994660" data-d="150">of </span><span data-m="2994810" data-d="99">a </span><span data-m="2994970" data-d="429">specific </span><span data-m="2995400" data-d="289">problem </span><span data-m="2995690" data-d="119">to </span><span data-m="2996010" data-d="100">have </span><span data-m="2996111" data-d="19">a </span><span data-m="2996131" data-d="280">much </span><span data-m="2996412" data-d="199">more </span><span data-m="2996612" data-d="590">strategic </span><span data-m="2997203" data-d="30">and </span><span data-m="2997309" data-d="530">compressive </span><span data-m="2997840" data-d="559">perspective </span><span data-m="2998400" data-d="110">on </span><span data-m="2998640" data-d="59">how </span><span data-m="2998700" data-d="320">to </span><span data-m="2999550" data-d="230">use </span><span data-m="2999780" data-d="539">technology </span><span data-m="3000380" data-d="150">and </span><span data-m="3000530" data-d="130">how </span><span data-m="3000710" data-d="110">to </span><span data-m="3000820" data-d="159">check </span><span data-m="3000980" data-d="640">technology </span><span data-m="3001630" data-d="139">in </span><span data-m="3001770" data-d="60">the </span><span data-m="3001840" data-d="150">world </span><span data-m="3002160" data-d="100">that </span><span data-m="3002261" data-d="79">you </span><span data-m="3002341" data-d="440">develop </span><span data-m="3002782" data-d="59">a </span><span data-m="3002842" data-d="329">Katiba </span><span data-m="3003240" data-d="219">institute. </span><span data-m="3006039" data-d="380">Before </span><span data-m="3006420" data-d="250">going </span><span data-m="3006670" data-d="139">to </span><span data-m="3007010" data-d="110">the </span><span data-m="3007120" data-d="349">question </span><span data-m="3007480" data-d="170">that </span><span data-m="3007720" data-d="489">Alex </span><span data-m="3009050" data-d="239">has </span><span data-m="3009310" data-d="159">in </span><span data-m="3009470" data-d="139">the </span><span data-m="3009620" data-d="400">chat, </span><span data-m="3010310" data-d="190">let </span><span data-m="3010500" data-d="179">me </span><span data-m="3010740" data-d="260">allow </span><span data-m="3011000" data-d="170">you </span><span data-m="3011170" data-d="219">to </span><span data-m="3011460" data-d="110">to </span><span data-m="3011570" data-d="300">mention </span><span data-m="3011880" data-d="230">that, </span><span data-m="3012360" data-d="369">yes, </span><span data-m="3013010" data-d="280">we </span><span data-m="3013290" data-d="110">are </span><span data-m="3013440" data-d="269">talking </span><span data-m="3013720" data-d="250">about </span><span data-m="3014389" data-d="100">how </span><span data-m="3014490" data-d="250">social </span><span data-m="3014741" data-d="489">justice </span><span data-m="3015231" data-d="239">meet </span><span data-m="3015471" data-d="630">technology </span><span data-m="3016360" data-d="119">and </span><span data-m="3016520" data-d="99">the </span><span data-m="3016620" data-d="369">challenges </span><span data-m="3016990" data-d="170">that </span><span data-m="3017160" data-d="119">it </span><span data-m="3017309" data-d="429">creates. </span><span data-m="3018040" data-d="340">What </span><span data-m="3018719" data-d="119">you </span><span data-m="3018840" data-d="170">should </span><span data-m="3019011" data-d="119">know </span><span data-m="3019130" data-d="150">is </span><span data-m="3019280" data-d="239">that </span><span data-m="3019790" data-d="159">although </span><span data-m="3019950" data-d="150">the </span><span data-m="3020100" data-d="349">fellows </span><span data-m="3020450" data-d="160">have </span><span data-m="3020940" data-d="100">been </span><span data-m="3021041" data-d="119">in </span><span data-m="3021161" data-d="130">the </span><span data-m="3021339" data-d="300">hosting </span><span data-m="3021639" data-d="250">organizations </span><span data-m="3022199" data-d="170">for </span><span data-m="3022369" data-d="329">barely </span><span data-m="3022699" data-d="210">four </span><span data-m="3022910" data-d="59">or </span><span data-m="3022969" data-d="199">five </span><span data-m="3023190" data-d="480">months, </span><span data-m="3024129" data-d="409">all </span><span data-m="3024539" data-d="130">of </span><span data-m="3024670" data-d="139">them </span><span data-m="3024810" data-d="590">already </span><span data-m="3025430" data-d="309">have </span><span data-m="3025770" data-d="429">come </span><span data-m="3026430" data-d="150">with </span><span data-m="3026630" data-d="539">specific </span><span data-m="3027170" data-d="599">plans </span><span data-m="3028050" data-d="159">to </span><span data-m="3028210" data-d="199">work </span><span data-m="3028410" data-d="179">over </span><span data-m="3028590" data-d="130">the </span><span data-m="3028720" data-d="159">course </span><span data-m="3028880" data-d="79">of </span><span data-m="3028970" data-d="110">the </span><span data-m="3029080" data-d="380">following </span><span data-m="3029510" data-d="190">two </span><span data-m="3029700" data-d="389">years, </span><span data-m="3030150" data-d="260">and </span><span data-m="3030410" data-d="150">that </span><span data-m="3030580" data-d="239">has </span><span data-m="3030819" data-d="650">supposed </span><span data-m="3031729" data-d="240">an </span><span data-m="3032089" data-d="619">intensive </span><span data-m="3032709" data-d="470">dialogue </span><span data-m="3033200" data-d="549">between </span><span data-m="3034059" data-d="20">the </span><span data-m="3034480" data-d="420">Mozilla </span><span data-m="3034920" data-d="239">on </span><span data-m="3035160" data-d="190">one </span><span data-m="3035351" data-d="429">side, </span><span data-m="3036020" data-d="110">the </span><span data-m="3036139" data-d="320">hosting </span><span data-m="3036460" data-d="880">organizations </span><span data-m="3037440" data-d="179">and </span><span data-m="3037620" data-d="79">the </span><span data-m="3037700" data-d="489">fellows. </span><span data-m="3038490" data-d="269">So </span><span data-m="3038759" data-d="139">the </span><span data-m="3038900" data-d="269">meeting </span><span data-m="3039170" data-d="150">of </span><span data-m="3039420" data-d="100">the </span><span data-m="3039521" data-d="400">minds </span><span data-m="3040080" data-d="179">has </span><span data-m="3040260" data-d="289">taken </span><span data-m="3040549" data-d="480">place </span><span data-m="3041260" data-d="179">in </span><span data-m="3041440" data-d="210">most </span><span data-m="3041650" data-d="110">of </span><span data-m="3042430" data-d="100">organizations </span><span data-m="3042531" data-d="380">already, </span><span data-m="3042912" data-d="179">and </span><span data-m="3043860" data-d="139">they </span><span data-m="3044000" data-d="150">are </span><span data-m="3044190" data-d="449">talking </span><span data-m="3044640" data-d="99">the </span><span data-m="3044740" data-d="219">same </span><span data-m="3044960" data-d="269">language, </span><span data-m="3045230" data-d="19">as </span><span data-m="3045440" data-d="309">Brian </span><span data-m="3045750" data-d="79">said </span><span data-m="3046080" data-d="440">after </span><span data-m="3046530" data-d="239">realizing </span><span data-m="3047030" data-d="159">what </span><span data-m="3047190" data-d="99">is </span><span data-m="3047520" data-d="70">the </span><span data-m="3047590" data-d="210">strategic </span><span data-m="3047800" data-d="409">role </span><span data-m="3048270" data-d="130">of </span><span data-m="3048450" data-d="559">technology </span><span data-m="3049230" data-d="170">in </span><span data-m="3049400" data-d="859">organizations. </span><span data-m="3051470" data-d="260">Having </span><span data-m="3051740" data-d="210">said </span><span data-m="3051990" data-d="410">that, </span><span data-m="3052690" data-d="59">probably </span><span data-m="3052750" data-d="59">building </span><span data-m="3054280" data-d="110">on </span><span data-m="3054400" data-d="119">the </span><span data-m="3054520" data-d="179">top </span><span data-m="3054700" data-d="130">of </span><span data-m="3055480" data-d="100">his </span><span data-m="3055581" data-d="179">own </span><span data-m="3055761" data-d="489">plan </span><span data-m="3056570" data-d="500">Tarcizio, </span><span data-m="3057070" data-d="239">would </span><span data-m="3057309" data-d="110">you </span><span data-m="3057429" data-d="289">mind </span><span data-m="3057740" data-d="289">to </span><span data-m="3058740" data-d="100">to </span><span data-m="3058841" data-d="100">answer </span><span data-m="3058942" data-d="100">a </span><span data-m="3059043" data-d="400">question </span><span data-m="3059444" data-d="150">of </span><span data-m="3060539" data-d="50">Alex, </span><span data-m="3060589" data-d="29">how </span><span data-m="3060790" data-d="260">do </span><span data-m="3061060" data-d="309">you </span><span data-m="3061380" data-d="500">harness </span><span data-m="3061890" data-d="519">hope </span><span data-m="3063340" data-d="159">to </span><span data-m="3063500" data-d="309">keep </span><span data-m="3063810" data-d="230">on </span><span data-m="3064070" data-d="449">standing </span><span data-m="3064520" data-d="300">against </span><span data-m="3064860" data-d="480">powerful </span><span data-m="3065340" data-d="30">and </span><span data-m="3065510" data-d="450">hostile </span><span data-m="3066050" data-d="650">actors? </span><span data-m="3068810" data-d="320">And </span><span data-m="3069180" data-d="90">I </span><span data-m="3069450" data-d="139">will </span><span data-m="3069590" data-d="340">appreciate </span><span data-m="3070010" data-d="160">if </span><span data-m="3070400" data-d="199">you </span><span data-m="3070889" data-d="100">Giovanna </span><span data-m="3070990" data-d="139">can </span><span data-m="3071130" data-d="170">also </span><span data-m="3071969" data-d="100">answer </span><span data-m="3072070" data-d="100">that </span><span data-m="3072171" data-d="380">question </span><span data-m="3072552" data-d="100">after </span><span data-m="3072653" data-d="789">Tarcizio. </span></p>
<p><span class="speaker" data-m="3074450" data-d="0">Tarcizio: </span><span data-m="3074450" data-d="460">Okay, </span><span data-m="3075960" data-d="170">I </span><span data-m="3076170" data-d="340">think </span><span data-m="3076850" data-d="130">I </span><span data-m="3076980" data-d="650">can </span><span data-m="3077690" data-d="550">connect </span><span data-m="3078260" data-d="219">with </span><span data-m="3078490" data-d="449">something </span><span data-m="3079180" data-d="100">that </span><span data-m="3079281" data-d="550">Jessica </span><span data-m="3079832" data-d="449">said </span><span data-m="3080340" data-d="380">about </span><span data-m="3080720" data-d="280">multidisciplinary </span><span data-m="3083610" data-d="360">view </span><span data-m="3084050" data-d="260">of </span><span data-m="3084310" data-d="239">the </span><span data-m="3084560" data-d="280">issue. </span><span data-m="3085270" data-d="320">When </span><span data-m="3085740" data-d="460">we </span><span data-m="3086580" data-d="480">get </span><span data-m="3087160" data-d="99">a </span><span data-m="3087260" data-d="210">lot </span><span data-m="3087471" data-d="139">of </span><span data-m="3087620" data-d="699">disciplines </span><span data-m="3088320" data-d="659">together </span><span data-m="3089190" data-d="179">and </span><span data-m="3089389" data-d="59">a </span><span data-m="3089450" data-d="260">lot </span><span data-m="3089719" data-d="510">of </span><span data-m="3090950" data-d="719">different </span><span data-m="3091719" data-d="699">ways </span><span data-m="3092610" data-d="110">to </span><span data-m="3092721" data-d="309">talk </span><span data-m="3093040" data-d="590">about </span><span data-m="3093710" data-d="400">racial </span><span data-m="3094111" data-d="570">justice </span><span data-m="3094730" data-d="179">and </span><span data-m="3094910" data-d="769">technology, </span><span data-m="3096090" data-d="250">we </span><span data-m="3096340" data-d="389">can </span><span data-m="3096780" data-d="239">try </span><span data-m="3097020" data-d="19">to </span><span data-m="3099390" data-d="449">see </span><span data-m="3099970" data-d="119">a </span><span data-m="3100090" data-d="250">lot </span><span data-m="3100340" data-d="219">of </span><span data-m="3100600" data-d="1190">opportunities </span><span data-m="3101900" data-d="19">to </span><span data-m="3102710" data-d="710">promote </span><span data-m="3104120" data-d="269">this </span><span data-m="3104660" data-d="239">qualitative </span><span data-m="3105000" data-d="579">ideal </span><span data-m="3105830" data-d="940">of </span><span data-m="3108600" data-d="490">standing </span><span data-m="3109130" data-d="199">up </span><span data-m="3109380" data-d="289">to </span><span data-m="3109690" data-d="349">the </span><span data-m="3110410" data-d="360">power </span><span data-m="3110770" data-d="210">around </span><span data-m="3110980" data-d="699">technology. </span><span data-m="3111700" data-d="690">Because </span><span data-m="3112490" data-d="679">besides </span><span data-m="3113230" data-d="840">advocacy </span><span data-m="3114129" data-d="190">and </span><span data-m="3114549" data-d="619">education, </span><span data-m="3115219" data-d="230">there </span><span data-m="3116590" data-d="10">are </span><span data-m="3116600" data-d="409">the </span><span data-m="3117020" data-d="639">focus </span><span data-m="3117720" data-d="869">of </span><span data-m="3118630" data-d="139">the </span><span data-m="3118770" data-d="239">host </span><span data-m="3119010" data-d="739">organization. </span><span data-m="3120280" data-d="100">There </span><span data-m="3120381" data-d="239">are </span><span data-m="3120621" data-d="10">a </span><span data-m="3120632" data-d="230">lot </span><span data-m="3120863" data-d="150">of </span><span data-m="3121014" data-d="599">disciplines </span><span data-m="3121614" data-d="300">that </span><span data-m="3121915" data-d="309">can </span><span data-m="3122225" data-d="539">be </span><span data-m="3122860" data-d="510">together </span><span data-m="3123410" data-d="230">with </span><span data-m="3123641" data-d="440">us </span><span data-m="3124420" data-d="289">and </span><span data-m="3124710" data-d="1019">professionals </span><span data-m="3125730" data-d="139">and </span><span data-m="3125870" data-d="659">activists </span><span data-m="3126570" data-d="199">from </span><span data-m="3129340" data-d="29">other </span><span data-m="3129370" data-d="50">areas </span><span data-m="3129420" data-d="29">from </span><span data-m="3129620" data-d="400">law, </span><span data-m="3130549" data-d="329">from </span><span data-m="3130879" data-d="100">art </span><span data-m="3130980" data-d="100">from </span><span data-m="3131081" data-d="699">journalism. </span><span data-m="3132039" data-d="559">And </span><span data-m="3132640" data-d="179">I </span><span data-m="3132820" data-d="340">try </span><span data-m="3133160" data-d="19">to... </span></p>
<p><span class="speaker" data-m="3136210" data-d="0">Tarcizio: </span><span data-m="3136210" data-d="320">Some </span><span data-m="3136530" data-d="170">of </span><span data-m="3136700" data-d="79">the </span><span data-m="3136780" data-d="530">projects </span><span data-m="3137350" data-d="280">some </span><span data-m="3137630" data-d="190">of </span><span data-m="3137820" data-d="50">the </span><span data-m="3137870" data-d="500">activities </span><span data-m="3138380" data-d="90">in </span><span data-m="3138470" data-d="90">the </span><span data-m="3138560" data-d="579">projects </span><span data-m="3139540" data-d="349">are </span><span data-m="3139890" data-d="320">going </span><span data-m="3140210" data-d="190">to </span><span data-m="3140400" data-d="250">try </span><span data-m="3140650" data-d="170">to </span><span data-m="3140849" data-d="550">connect </span><span data-m="3141449" data-d="159">with </span><span data-m="3142049" data-d="349">other </span><span data-m="3142419" data-d="579">disciplines. </span><span data-m="3143389" data-d="230">And </span><span data-m="3143620" data-d="199">me </span><span data-m="3143830" data-d="789">individually. </span><span data-m="3145080" data-d="10">I </span><span data-m="3145750" data-d="369">also </span><span data-m="3146120" data-d="329">tried </span><span data-m="3146609" data-d="410">together </span><span data-m="3147210" data-d="230">some </span><span data-m="3147440" data-d="739">inspiration </span><span data-m="3148350" data-d="139">from </span><span data-m="3148670" data-d="260">other </span><span data-m="3148949" data-d="519">fields, </span><span data-m="3149690" data-d="239">like </span><span data-m="3149930" data-d="800">journalists </span><span data-m="3150940" data-d="239">or </span><span data-m="3151720" data-d="100">art </span><span data-m="3151821" data-d="199">or </span><span data-m="3152021" data-d="340">even </span><span data-m="3152362" data-d="239">law. </span><span data-m="3153020" data-d="659">So </span><span data-m="3153720" data-d="710">probably </span><span data-m="3154510" data-d="179">I </span><span data-m="3154690" data-d="329">think </span><span data-m="3155020" data-d="179">this </span><span data-m="3155230" data-d="159">is </span><span data-m="3155420" data-d="90">a </span><span data-m="3155510" data-d="219">good </span><span data-m="3155760" data-d="289">way </span><span data-m="3156210" data-d="550">to </span><span data-m="3156990" data-d="679">engage </span><span data-m="3157700" data-d="250">more </span><span data-m="3157980" data-d="389">people </span><span data-m="3158400" data-d="530">because </span><span data-m="3158960" data-d="190">we </span><span data-m="3159150" data-d="380">are </span><span data-m="3159750" data-d="429">showing </span><span data-m="3160179" data-d="59">a </span><span data-m="3160240" data-d="230">lot </span><span data-m="3160471" data-d="289">of </span><span data-m="3161020" data-d="1039">possibilities </span><span data-m="3162380" data-d="210">to </span><span data-m="3162610" data-d="579">support </span><span data-m="3163549" data-d="340">this </span><span data-m="3163889" data-d="659">collective </span><span data-m="3164610" data-d="530">idea. </span><span data-m="3165490" data-d="480">So </span><span data-m="3166170" data-d="100">it </span><span data-m="3166271" data-d="199">can </span><span data-m="3166471" data-d="179">be </span><span data-m="3166651" data-d="670">supporting </span><span data-m="3168059" data-d="809">independent </span><span data-m="3169079" data-d="450">journalism </span><span data-m="3169539" data-d="409">major </span><span data-m="3170120" data-d="300">also </span><span data-m="3170420" data-d="570">supporting </span><span data-m="3170990" data-d="710">advocacy </span><span data-m="3171700" data-d="650">campaign </span><span data-m="3172690" data-d="239">also </span><span data-m="3172930" data-d="630">supporting </span><span data-m="3173600" data-d="929">a </span><span data-m="3174540" data-d="789">workshop. </span><span data-m="3175760" data-d="289">And </span><span data-m="3176650" data-d="100">there </span><span data-m="3176751" data-d="119">are </span><span data-m="3176871" data-d="889">several </span><span data-m="3177761" data-d="559">ways </span><span data-m="3178320" data-d="190">of </span><span data-m="3178550" data-d="210">doing </span><span data-m="3178760" data-d="360">that. </span><span data-m="3179139" data-d="320">And </span><span data-m="3180639" data-d="250">multidisciplinary, </span><span data-m="3180929" data-d="250">is </span><span data-m="3181179" data-d="300">the </span><span data-m="3181509" data-d="449">focus, </span><span data-m="3181990" data-d="119">in </span><span data-m="3182110" data-d="99">my </span><span data-m="3182210" data-d="429">opinion.</span></p>
<p><span class="speaker" data-m="3185049" data-d="0">Alberto: </span><span data-m="3185049" data-d="139">Thank </span><span data-m="3185190" data-d="19">you </span><span data-m="3185460" data-d="100">Tarcizio. </span><span data-m="3185561" data-d="320">Giovanna </span><span data-m="3185882" data-d="19">do </span><span data-m="3186240" data-d="19">you </span><span data-m="3186260" data-d="29">have </span><span data-m="3186290" data-d="59">something </span><span data-m="3186350" data-d="19">to </span><span data-m="3186540" data-d="100">add </span><span data-m="3186641" data-d="100">on </span><span data-m="3186742" data-d="100">regarding </span><span data-m="3186843" data-d="100">to </span><span data-m="3186944" data-d="19">how </span><span data-m="3187290" data-d="110">do </span><span data-m="3187400" data-d="119">you </span><span data-m="3187520" data-d="29">cope </span><span data-m="3187549" data-d="30">and </span><span data-m="3190310" data-d="199">to </span><span data-m="3190990" data-d="469">harvest </span><span data-m="3191460" data-d="369">here? </span></p>
<p><span class="speaker" data-m="3192760" data-d="0">Giovanna: </span><span data-m="3192760" data-d="329">Yeah. </span><span data-m="3193090" data-d="79">I </span><span data-m="3193170" data-d="340">mean, </span><span data-m="3193530" data-d="269">it's </span><span data-m="3193810" data-d="309">it's </span><span data-m="3194120" data-d="820">difficult, </span><span data-m="3194950" data-d="30">but </span><span data-m="3196160" data-d="269">yeah, </span><span data-m="3196429" data-d="90">I </span><span data-m="3196520" data-d="320">think </span><span data-m="3196840" data-d="289">that </span><span data-m="3197130" data-d="760">definitely </span><span data-m="3199480" data-d="10">multidisciplinarian </span><span data-m="3199530" data-d="199">kind </span><span data-m="3199730" data-d="150">of </span><span data-m="3199880" data-d="139">like </span><span data-m="3200040" data-d="780">perspectives </span><span data-m="3200830" data-d="1030">always </span><span data-m="3202150" data-d="489">help </span><span data-m="3202670" data-d="360">because </span><span data-m="3203031" data-d="190">it </span><span data-m="3203410" data-d="230">kind </span><span data-m="3203641" data-d="150">of </span><span data-m="3203792" data-d="179">like </span><span data-m="3203972" data-d="329">makes </span><span data-m="3204302" data-d="400">you </span><span data-m="3205110" data-d="750">realize </span><span data-m="3205930" data-d="429">that </span><span data-m="3206410" data-d="289">you </span><span data-m="3206700" data-d="519">can </span><span data-m="3208870" data-d="840">address </span><span data-m="3209840" data-d="269">the </span><span data-m="3210120" data-d="719">challenges </span><span data-m="3210870" data-d="219">that </span><span data-m="3211100" data-d="170">you </span><span data-m="3211270" data-d="170">are </span><span data-m="3211440" data-d="699">facing </span><span data-m="3212150" data-d="489">in </span><span data-m="3212929" data-d="480">several </span><span data-m="3213410" data-d="510">different </span><span data-m="3213969" data-d="670">ways. </span><span data-m="3214679" data-d="489">And </span><span data-m="3215179" data-d="170">I </span><span data-m="3215360" data-d="389">guess </span><span data-m="3215759" data-d="280">in </span><span data-m="3216070" data-d="340">our </span><span data-m="3216410" data-d="489">case </span><span data-m="3216940" data-d="179">at </span><span data-m="3217150" data-d="530">EQUIS </span><span data-m="3218070" data-d="269">we </span><span data-m="3218360" data-d="500">always </span><span data-m="3218889" data-d="179">kind </span><span data-m="3219070" data-d="139">of </span><span data-m="3219210" data-d="250">like, </span><span data-m="3219589" data-d="1070">prioritize </span><span data-m="3220670" data-d="50">working </span><span data-m="3221109" data-d="420">collectively </span><span data-m="3221529" data-d="30">and </span><span data-m="3221709" data-d="510">working </span><span data-m="3224030" data-d="199">kind </span><span data-m="3224230" data-d="130">of </span><span data-m="3224360" data-d="400">like </span><span data-m="3225330" data-d="269">with </span><span data-m="3225630" data-d="369">other </span><span data-m="3226210" data-d="690">NGOs, </span><span data-m="3226900" data-d="500">especially </span><span data-m="3227400" data-d="360">local </span><span data-m="3227760" data-d="690">NGOs </span><span data-m="3228460" data-d="170">that </span><span data-m="3228630" data-d="329">have </span><span data-m="3230390" data-d="440">their </span><span data-m="3231220" data-d="480">first </span><span data-m="3231700" data-d="500">hands </span><span data-m="3232240" data-d="300">on </span><span data-m="3232559" data-d="960">experience </span><span data-m="3233550" data-d="539">of </span><span data-m="3235250" data-d="440">working </span><span data-m="3235690" data-d="199">with </span><span data-m="3235889" data-d="900">communities </span><span data-m="3236839" data-d="440">and </span><span data-m="3237290" data-d="530">with </span><span data-m="3239449" data-d="380">people </span><span data-m="3239830" data-d="320">in </span><span data-m="3240160" data-d="679">vulnerable </span><span data-m="3240850" data-d="1039">situations. </span><span data-m="3242240" data-d="489">So </span><span data-m="3242740" data-d="440">working </span><span data-m="3243180" data-d="800">collectively, </span><span data-m="3244010" data-d="409">building </span><span data-m="3244420" data-d="960">networks, </span><span data-m="3246250" data-d="1090">prioritizing, </span><span data-m="3247430" data-d="309">multidisciplinarian. </span><span data-m="3252960" data-d="239">And </span><span data-m="3253200" data-d="369">also </span><span data-m="3253599" data-d="190">kind </span><span data-m="3253790" data-d="150">of </span><span data-m="3253940" data-d="340">like, </span><span data-m="3255400" data-d="519">yeah, </span><span data-m="3256750" data-d="409">be </span><span data-m="3257160" data-d="800">inspired </span><span data-m="3257961" data-d="239">like </span><span data-m="3258910" data-d="100">Tarcizio </span><span data-m="3259011" data-d="130">said </span><span data-m="3259910" data-d="170">by </span><span data-m="3260080" data-d="250">your </span><span data-m="3260370" data-d="670">peers </span><span data-m="3261400" data-d="389">by </span><span data-m="3261790" data-d="650">your </span><span data-m="3262450" data-d="780">also </span><span data-m="3264910" data-d="39">kind </span><span data-m="3264950" data-d="130">of </span><span data-m="3265080" data-d="340">like </span><span data-m="3265430" data-d="599">even </span><span data-m="3266080" data-d="99">a </span><span data-m="3266179" data-d="860">small, </span><span data-m="3267460" data-d="219">kind </span><span data-m="3267679" data-d="159">of </span><span data-m="3267840" data-d="199">like </span><span data-m="3268040" data-d="860">victories </span><span data-m="3268929" data-d="230">that </span><span data-m="3269160" data-d="139">you </span><span data-m="3269300" data-d="530">can </span><span data-m="3270080" data-d="250">point </span><span data-m="3270450" data-d="239">out </span><span data-m="3270700" data-d="429">to </span><span data-m="3271719" data-d="210">is </span><span data-m="3271929" data-d="239">also </span><span data-m="3272170" data-d="699">important. </span><span data-m="3272880" data-d="280">It's </span><span data-m="3273170" data-d="230">kind </span><span data-m="3273400" data-d="150">of </span><span data-m="3273551" data-d="320">like </span><span data-m="3273950" data-d="900">being </span><span data-m="3275559" data-d="789">acknowledged </span><span data-m="3276380" data-d="179">that </span><span data-m="3276560" data-d="110">the </span><span data-m="3276670" data-d="250">fact </span><span data-m="3276990" data-d="309">that </span><span data-m="3277960" data-d="170">your </span><span data-m="3278140" data-d="300">work </span><span data-m="3278440" data-d="250">has </span><span data-m="3278690" data-d="800">impact </span><span data-m="3280920" data-d="239">and </span><span data-m="3281160" data-d="320">yeah, </span><span data-m="3281530" data-d="110">I </span><span data-m="3281640" data-d="360">guess </span><span data-m="3282170" data-d="199">that </span><span data-m="3282370" data-d="159">would </span><span data-m="3282530" data-d="289">be </span><span data-m="3284530" data-d="219">what </span><span data-m="3284750" data-d="70">I </span><span data-m="3284820" data-d="219">have </span><span data-m="3285980" data-d="19">to </span><span data-m="3286000" data-d="19">say. </span></p>
<p><span class="speaker" data-m="3286020" data-d="0">Alberto: </span><span data-m="3286020" data-d="139">Thank </span><span data-m="3286170" data-d="170">you </span><span data-m="3286520" data-d="90">Giovanna </span><span data-m="3286639" data-d="369">before </span><span data-m="3287020" data-d="280">giving </span><span data-m="3287300" data-d="39">the </span><span data-m="3287690" data-d="210">word </span><span data-m="3287950" data-d="130">to </span><span data-m="3288160" data-d="519">Jessica, </span><span data-m="3288690" data-d="99">who </span><span data-m="3288790" data-d="210">wants </span><span data-m="3289000" data-d="59">to </span><span data-m="3289530" data-d="100">add </span><span data-m="3289631" data-d="70">a </span><span data-m="3289702" data-d="170">few </span><span data-m="3289873" data-d="309">words </span><span data-m="3290183" data-d="159">on </span><span data-m="3290660" data-d="250">this </span><span data-m="3291650" data-d="489">subject. </span><span data-m="3293549" data-d="170">If </span><span data-m="3293719" data-d="159">you </span><span data-m="3293879" data-d="219">have </span><span data-m="3294100" data-d="369">additional </span><span data-m="3294470" data-d="630">questions, </span><span data-m="3295130" data-d="250">raise </span><span data-m="3295380" data-d="150">your </span><span data-m="3295540" data-d="440">hand </span><span data-m="3296240" data-d="210">or </span><span data-m="3296450" data-d="280">right </span><span data-m="3296750" data-d="420">down </span><span data-m="3297180" data-d="329">them </span><span data-m="3297530" data-d="139">in </span><span data-m="3297670" data-d="119">the </span><span data-m="3297800" data-d="239">chat </span><span data-m="3298040" data-d="250">box </span><span data-m="3298290" data-d="159">so </span><span data-m="3298450" data-d="139">we </span><span data-m="3298590" data-d="210">can </span><span data-m="3298800" data-d="159">go </span><span data-m="3298960" data-d="269">over </span><span data-m="3299230" data-d="280">them </span><span data-m="3300510" data-d="519">after </span><span data-m="3301310" data-d="460">Jessica's </span><span data-m="3301780" data-d="530">intervention </span><span data-m="3303300" data-d="100">here. </span><span data-m="3303401" data-d="329">Jessica, </span><span data-m="3303731" data-d="250">please. </span></p>
<p><span class="speaker" data-m="3304559" data-d="0">Jessica: </span><span data-m="3304559" data-d="420">Yes. </span><span data-m="3305320" data-d="199">So, </span><span data-m="3305520" data-d="429">actually, </span><span data-m="3305950" data-d="70">I </span><span data-m="3306259" data-d="100">like </span><span data-m="3306360" data-d="190">this </span><span data-m="3306551" data-d="510">question. </span><span data-m="3307062" data-d="380">Speaks </span><span data-m="3307443" data-d="99">a </span><span data-m="3307690" data-d="100">lot </span><span data-m="3307791" data-d="119">to </span><span data-m="3307911" data-d="260">me. </span><span data-m="3308172" data-d="199">I </span><span data-m="3308372" data-d="409">connect </span><span data-m="3308782" data-d="130">with </span><span data-m="3308913" data-d="119">it </span><span data-m="3309033" data-d="539">because </span><span data-m="3310909" data-d="739">personally, </span><span data-m="3311649" data-d="99">when </span><span data-m="3311920" data-d="150">I </span><span data-m="3312070" data-d="269">first </span><span data-m="3312400" data-d="849">discover </span><span data-m="3313560" data-d="500">the </span><span data-m="3314800" data-d="389">risks </span><span data-m="3315190" data-d="170">of </span><span data-m="3316040" data-d="100">technology </span><span data-m="3316141" data-d="130">and </span><span data-m="3316272" data-d="500">gathering </span><span data-m="3316773" data-d="360">data </span><span data-m="3317134" data-d="150">and </span><span data-m="3317285" data-d="199">where </span><span data-m="3317485" data-d="139">I </span><span data-m="3317625" data-d="139">felt </span><span data-m="3317830" data-d="530">myself </span><span data-m="3318360" data-d="570">threatened, </span><span data-m="3318940" data-d="50">having </span><span data-m="3319590" data-d="500">a </span><span data-m="3321070" data-d="510">technology </span><span data-m="3321599" data-d="469">background, </span><span data-m="3322070" data-d="99">I </span><span data-m="3322170" data-d="519">decided, </span><span data-m="3322719" data-d="369">actually </span><span data-m="3324229" data-d="19">to </span><span data-m="3324249" data-d="30">pull </span><span data-m="3324450" data-d="100">out </span><span data-m="3324551" data-d="239">for </span><span data-m="3324791" data-d="699">years </span><span data-m="3325491" data-d="300">and </span><span data-m="3325792" data-d="420">feeling </span><span data-m="3326213" data-d="210">that </span><span data-m="3326424" data-d="199">it's </span><span data-m="3326624" data-d="70">a </span><span data-m="3326695" data-d="340">lost </span><span data-m="3327036" data-d="260">battle </span><span data-m="3328010" data-d="329">and </span><span data-m="3328340" data-d="309">that </span><span data-m="3329449" data-d="190">it's </span><span data-m="3329650" data-d="349">going </span><span data-m="3330000" data-d="130">to </span><span data-m="3330131" data-d="300">happen. </span><span data-m="3330450" data-d="159">The </span><span data-m="3330610" data-d="329">idea </span><span data-m="3330949" data-d="199">of </span><span data-m="3331160" data-d="559">privacy, </span><span data-m="3331790" data-d="199">data </span><span data-m="3331990" data-d="530">collection, </span><span data-m="3332530" data-d="409">etcetera </span><span data-m="3333960" data-d="59">and </span><span data-m="3334020" data-d="909">discrimination. </span><span data-m="3335400" data-d="420">And </span><span data-m="3337650" data-d="280">it's </span><span data-m="3337950" data-d="360">maybe </span><span data-m="3338340" data-d="79">a </span><span data-m="3338420" data-d="210">couple </span><span data-m="3338639" data-d="239">of </span><span data-m="3338880" data-d="300">years </span><span data-m="3339181" data-d="400">ago </span><span data-m="3339599" data-d="280">that </span><span data-m="3340219" data-d="159">I </span><span data-m="3340380" data-d="269">had </span><span data-m="3341410" data-d="349">change </span><span data-m="3341759" data-d="190">of </span><span data-m="3341950" data-d="610">mindset </span><span data-m="3342890" data-d="210">where... </span><span data-m="3343730" data-d="389">and </span><span data-m="3344259" data-d="349">thanks </span><span data-m="3344610" data-d="400">to, </span><span data-m="3345070" data-d="309">I </span><span data-m="3345490" data-d="289">have </span><span data-m="3345780" data-d="90">to </span><span data-m="3345870" data-d="460">say, </span><span data-m="3346410" data-d="940">organizations </span><span data-m="3347350" data-d="190">like </span><span data-m="3347550" data-d="599">Mozilla </span><span data-m="3348570" data-d="449">and </span><span data-m="3349870" data-d="579">Electronic </span><span data-m="3350450" data-d="829">Frontiers </span><span data-m="3352000" data-d="409">who </span><span data-m="3353260" data-d="190">are </span><span data-m="3353460" data-d="449">actually </span><span data-m="3353920" data-d="389">using </span><span data-m="3354310" data-d="710">technology </span><span data-m="3355020" data-d="179">to </span><span data-m="3355840" data-d="100">solve </span><span data-m="3355941" data-d="199">as </span><span data-m="3356509" data-d="30">well </span><span data-m="3356540" data-d="780">technology's </span><span data-m="3358130" data-d="100">problems. </span><span data-m="3358231" data-d="190">So </span><span data-m="3358422" data-d="159">I </span><span data-m="3358582" data-d="309">think </span><span data-m="3358892" data-d="269">there's </span><span data-m="3359162" data-d="79">a </span><span data-m="3359242" data-d="280">lot </span><span data-m="3359523" data-d="139">of </span><span data-m="3359663" data-d="440">hope </span><span data-m="3360630" data-d="650">because </span><span data-m="3361580" data-d="650">technology </span><span data-m="3362230" data-d="150">is </span><span data-m="3362380" data-d="110">a </span><span data-m="3362490" data-d="289">new </span><span data-m="3362799" data-d="610">space </span><span data-m="3363410" data-d="170">with </span><span data-m="3363580" data-d="159">its </span><span data-m="3363759" data-d="219">new </span><span data-m="3364000" data-d="750">politics </span><span data-m="3365270" data-d="340">and </span><span data-m="3365970" data-d="19">we're </span><span data-m="3365990" data-d="380">trying... </span><span data-m="3366830" data-d="280">And </span><span data-m="3367120" data-d="300">many </span><span data-m="3367420" data-d="710">disciplines, </span><span data-m="3368180" data-d="610">including </span><span data-m="3368970" data-d="590">technology </span><span data-m="3369560" data-d="480">itself, </span><span data-m="3370040" data-d="50">is </span><span data-m="3370100" data-d="639">striking </span><span data-m="3371110" data-d="150">to </span><span data-m="3371260" data-d="469">find </span><span data-m="3371840" data-d="500">threats </span><span data-m="3372340" data-d="139">to </span><span data-m="3372480" data-d="570">formulate </span><span data-m="3373080" data-d="630">problems </span><span data-m="3373740" data-d="230">in </span><span data-m="3373970" data-d="349">ways </span><span data-m="3374320" data-d="199">that </span><span data-m="3374540" data-d="219">are </span><span data-m="3375029" data-d="170">solvable. </span><span data-m="3375870" data-d="429">And </span><span data-m="3378290" data-d="139">we're </span><span data-m="3378599" data-d="440">having </span><span data-m="3379049" data-d="289">new </span><span data-m="3379340" data-d="449">laws </span><span data-m="3379809" data-d="289">like </span><span data-m="3380099" data-d="159">the </span><span data-m="3380270" data-d="269">GDPR </span><span data-m="3381219" data-d="79">for </span><span data-m="3381299" data-d="539">example, </span><span data-m="3381889" data-d="190">that's </span><span data-m="3382100" data-d="510">already </span><span data-m="3382650" data-d="70">a </span><span data-m="3382721" data-d="179">few </span><span data-m="3382900" data-d="340">years </span><span data-m="3383260" data-d="349">old, </span><span data-m="3384520" data-d="199">that </span><span data-m="3384760" data-d="150">are </span><span data-m="3384910" data-d="480">starting </span><span data-m="3385410" data-d="179">to </span><span data-m="3386059" data-d="140">regulate. </span><span data-m="3386609" data-d="39">We're </span><span data-m="3386820" data-d="300">having </span><span data-m="3387170" data-d="210">new </span><span data-m="3387400" data-d="650">awareness </span><span data-m="3388080" data-d="440">about </span><span data-m="3388530" data-d="429">the </span><span data-m="3389110" data-d="309">really </span><span data-m="3389420" data-d="179">the </span><span data-m="3389670" data-d="690">disruption </span><span data-m="3390360" data-d="139">that </span><span data-m="3390520" data-d="469">happened. </span><span data-m="3390990" data-d="59">A </span><span data-m="3391050" data-d="179">few </span><span data-m="3391230" data-d="280">years </span><span data-m="3391510" data-d="250">ago </span><span data-m="3392440" data-d="199">you </span><span data-m="3392639" data-d="199">would </span><span data-m="3392860" data-d="349">only </span><span data-m="3393210" data-d="199">hear </span><span data-m="3393420" data-d="289">about </span><span data-m="3393719" data-d="219">how </span><span data-m="3393940" data-d="389">Facebook </span><span data-m="3394380" data-d="130">is </span><span data-m="3394520" data-d="369">great </span><span data-m="3394920" data-d="329">because </span><span data-m="3395250" data-d="179">it's </span><span data-m="3395429" data-d="539">connecting </span><span data-m="3395980" data-d="510">everyone. </span><span data-m="3396889" data-d="449">Today </span><span data-m="3397340" data-d="230">the </span><span data-m="3397570" data-d="480">risk </span><span data-m="3398099" data-d="380">of </span><span data-m="3398549" data-d="210">it </span><span data-m="3398820" data-d="639">holding </span><span data-m="3399469" data-d="239">this </span><span data-m="3399730" data-d="320">power </span><span data-m="3400051" data-d="159">in </span><span data-m="3400211" data-d="389">public </span><span data-m="3400650" data-d="380">debate </span><span data-m="3401070" data-d="19">is </span><span data-m="3401500" data-d="559">recognized. </span><span data-m="3403010" data-d="139">The </span><span data-m="3403150" data-d="570">monopoly </span><span data-m="3403720" data-d="139">of </span><span data-m="3403890" data-d="179">big </span><span data-m="3404090" data-d="610">companies </span><span data-m="3404730" data-d="210">is </span><span data-m="3405160" data-d="580">recognized. </span><span data-m="3406100" data-d="210">And </span><span data-m="3406310" data-d="110">I </span><span data-m="3406430" data-d="260">think, </span><span data-m="3406690" data-d="340">like </span><span data-m="3407200" data-d="559">everything </span><span data-m="3407790" data-d="250">else </span><span data-m="3408060" data-d="150">in </span><span data-m="3408240" data-d="320">our </span><span data-m="3408630" data-d="389">long </span><span data-m="3409030" data-d="559">history, </span><span data-m="3409600" data-d="30">there </span><span data-m="3410470" data-d="590">are </span><span data-m="3412900" data-d="230">new </span><span data-m="3413139" data-d="420">battles </span><span data-m="3413559" data-d="139">to </span><span data-m="3413700" data-d="429">fight, </span><span data-m="3414610" data-d="329">and </span><span data-m="3414940" data-d="170">I </span><span data-m="3415139" data-d="429">think </span><span data-m="3416240" data-d="699">the </span><span data-m="3416960" data-d="480">people </span><span data-m="3417500" data-d="130">who </span><span data-m="3417630" data-d="239">can </span><span data-m="3417880" data-d="300">fight </span><span data-m="3418180" data-d="239">them </span><span data-m="3418440" data-d="150">are </span><span data-m="3418609" data-d="449">being, </span><span data-m="3419070" data-d="130">like, </span><span data-m="3420330" data-d="280">have </span><span data-m="3420650" data-d="99">a </span><span data-m="3420750" data-d="239">lot </span><span data-m="3421000" data-d="170">of </span><span data-m="3421200" data-d="599">avenues. </span></p>
<p><span class="speaker" data-m="3421840" data-d="0">Jessica: </span><span data-m="3421840" data-d="250">And </span><span data-m="3422440" data-d="670">really, </span><span data-m="3423170" data-d="159">I </span><span data-m="3423330" data-d="449">think </span><span data-m="3424320" data-d="250">it's </span><span data-m="3425240" data-d="39">really </span><span data-m="3425460" data-d="179">not </span><span data-m="3425660" data-d="139">in </span><span data-m="3425800" data-d="179">your </span><span data-m="3426030" data-d="340">face </span><span data-m="3426690" data-d="230">but </span><span data-m="3426920" data-d="179">I </span><span data-m="3427120" data-d="400">think </span><span data-m="3427520" data-d="510">Ford </span><span data-m="3428070" data-d="559">Mozilla </span><span data-m="3428670" data-d="739">partnership </span><span data-m="3429450" data-d="159">is </span><span data-m="3429620" data-d="550">actually </span><span data-m="3430170" data-d="210">one </span><span data-m="3430400" data-d="150">of </span><span data-m="3430570" data-d="309">those </span><span data-m="3431160" data-d="530">catalyzers </span><span data-m="3432190" data-d="280">where </span><span data-m="3432600" data-d="370">we </span><span data-m="3433020" data-d="289">will </span><span data-m="3434120" data-d="130">and </span><span data-m="3434250" data-d="150">not </span><span data-m="3434429" data-d="99">in </span><span data-m="3434530" data-d="110">the </span><span data-m="3434641" data-d="219">face </span><span data-m="3434889" data-d="110">of </span><span data-m="3435009" data-d="519">Brian </span><span data-m="3435540" data-d="210">be </span><span data-m="3435750" data-d="369">asking </span><span data-m="3436119" data-d="19">the </span><span data-m="3436479" data-d="29">right </span><span data-m="3436509" data-d="599">questions </span><span data-m="3437279" data-d="309">and </span><span data-m="3438430" data-d="190">in </span><span data-m="3438620" data-d="130">order </span><span data-m="3438750" data-d="19">to </span><span data-m="3439880" data-d="489">overcome </span><span data-m="3440540" data-d="230">and </span><span data-m="3440780" data-d="139">to </span><span data-m="3440920" data-d="280">be </span><span data-m="3441200" data-d="159">in </span><span data-m="3441360" data-d="289">that </span><span data-m="3442450" data-d="829">battlefield </span><span data-m="3443330" data-d="370">and </span><span data-m="3444960" data-d="409">promote </span><span data-m="3445390" data-d="150">the </span><span data-m="3445540" data-d="420">hope. </span><span data-m="3447010" data-d="260">And </span><span data-m="3447270" data-d="179">I </span><span data-m="3447460" data-d="469">think </span><span data-m="3448020" data-d="309">a </span><span data-m="3448460" data-d="239">few </span><span data-m="3448700" data-d="260">years </span><span data-m="3448960" data-d="219">ago </span><span data-m="3449179" data-d="59">I </span><span data-m="3449240" data-d="289">wouldn't </span><span data-m="3449540" data-d="199">have </span><span data-m="3449740" data-d="230">said </span><span data-m="3449990" data-d="119">the </span><span data-m="3450110" data-d="269">same </span><span data-m="3450380" data-d="369">thing. </span><span data-m="3450750" data-d="190">But </span><span data-m="3450950" data-d="469">today </span><span data-m="3451420" data-d="460">I </span><span data-m="3451889" data-d="280">think </span><span data-m="3452179" data-d="190">that </span><span data-m="3452570" data-d="100">is </span><span data-m="3452671" data-d="90">a </span><span data-m="3452762" data-d="199">lot </span><span data-m="3452962" data-d="139">of </span><span data-m="3453102" data-d="269">hope </span><span data-m="3453372" data-d="420">because </span><span data-m="3453793" data-d="139">we </span><span data-m="3453933" data-d="269">can. </span><span data-m="3454549" data-d="199">When </span><span data-m="3454750" data-d="210">you </span><span data-m="3455170" data-d="179">are </span><span data-m="3455350" data-d="250">able </span><span data-m="3455600" data-d="130">to </span><span data-m="3456290" data-d="200">pinpoint </span><span data-m="3456660" data-d="619">problems </span><span data-m="3457300" data-d="210">in </span><span data-m="3457510" data-d="79">a </span><span data-m="3457590" data-d="750">constructive </span><span data-m="3458340" data-d="349">way, </span><span data-m="3458990" data-d="340">then </span><span data-m="3459360" data-d="210">you </span><span data-m="3459570" data-d="360">can </span><span data-m="3459980" data-d="349">solve </span><span data-m="3460330" data-d="130">it </span><span data-m="3460480" data-d="170">with </span><span data-m="3460650" data-d="719">creativity, </span><span data-m="3461370" data-d="159">with </span><span data-m="3461540" data-d="610">innovation. </span><span data-m="3462150" data-d="90">I </span><span data-m="3462250" data-d="250">have </span><span data-m="3462500" data-d="210">no </span><span data-m="3462710" data-d="329">doubt </span><span data-m="3463070" data-d="280">that </span><span data-m="3463820" data-d="199">we </span><span data-m="3464020" data-d="329">have </span><span data-m="3464420" data-d="19">it. </span><span data-m="3464440" data-d="139">That's </span><span data-m="3467530" data-d="309">it. </span></p>
<p><span class="speaker" data-m="3468309" data-d="0">Alberto: </span><span data-m="3468309" data-d="179">Thank </span><span data-m="3468490" data-d="19">you </span><span data-m="3468700" data-d="150">very </span><span data-m="3468850" data-d="239">much, </span><span data-m="3469100" data-d="279">Jessica. </span><span data-m="3469419" data-d="160">I </span><span data-m="3469580" data-d="289">hope </span><span data-m="3469870" data-d="309">Alex </span><span data-m="3470180" data-d="210">that </span><span data-m="3470399" data-d="200">that </span><span data-m="3470629" data-d="190">answers </span><span data-m="3470990" data-d="150">your </span><span data-m="3471140" data-d="559">question. </span><span data-m="3473270" data-d="79">Is </span><span data-m="3473350" data-d="170">there </span><span data-m="3473520" data-d="179">any </span><span data-m="3473699" data-d="219">other </span><span data-m="3473940" data-d="559">question? </span><span data-m="3475180" data-d="159">Just </span><span data-m="3475350" data-d="159">for </span><span data-m="3475510" data-d="110">the </span><span data-m="3475620" data-d="380">records </span><span data-m="3476000" data-d="19">we </span><span data-m="3477550" data-d="340">have </span><span data-m="3478280" data-d="10">10 </span><span data-m="3478300" data-d="489">fellows </span><span data-m="3479100" data-d="429">currently </span><span data-m="3479530" data-d="510">working </span><span data-m="3480060" data-d="199">in </span><span data-m="3480260" data-d="840">10 </span><span data-m="3481360" data-d="100">organizations </span><span data-m="3481461" data-d="100">based </span><span data-m="3481562" data-d="130">in </span><span data-m="3481693" data-d="239">six </span><span data-m="3481933" data-d="360">different </span><span data-m="3482294" data-d="590">countries. </span><span data-m="3483150" data-d="170">Each </span><span data-m="3483320" data-d="159">of </span><span data-m="3483480" data-d="179">them </span><span data-m="3483660" data-d="309">already </span><span data-m="3483980" data-d="190">have </span><span data-m="3484170" data-d="380">developed </span><span data-m="3484730" data-d="559">specific </span><span data-m="3485290" data-d="260">plans </span><span data-m="3485550" data-d="130">to </span><span data-m="3485681" data-d="210">work </span><span data-m="3485892" data-d="159">over </span><span data-m="3486070" data-d="90">the </span><span data-m="3486160" data-d="159">course </span><span data-m="3486320" data-d="119">of </span><span data-m="3486440" data-d="90">the </span><span data-m="3486530" data-d="340">following </span><span data-m="3486900" data-d="139">two </span><span data-m="3487040" data-d="460">years </span><span data-m="3488000" data-d="329">in </span><span data-m="3488690" data-d="610">incorporating </span><span data-m="3489301" data-d="389">technology </span><span data-m="3489690" data-d="70">in </span><span data-m="3489770" data-d="119">the </span><span data-m="3489889" data-d="440">feminist </span><span data-m="3490330" data-d="269">movement, </span><span data-m="3490600" data-d="179">in </span><span data-m="3490980" data-d="119">the </span><span data-m="3491109" data-d="480">journalist </span><span data-m="3491940" data-d="510">section, </span><span data-m="3492460" data-d="150">in </span><span data-m="3493350" data-d="90">the </span><span data-m="3493440" data-d="329">educational </span><span data-m="3493940" data-d="639">sector </span><span data-m="3494880" data-d="159">and </span><span data-m="3495040" data-d="349">alike </span><span data-m="3495400" data-d="30">and </span><span data-m="3495980" data-d="19">in </span><span data-m="3496000" data-d="159">other </span><span data-m="3496200" data-d="300">mini </span><span data-m="3496510" data-d="539">sectors. </span></p>
<p><span class="speaker" data-m="3498250" data-d="0">Alberto: </span><span data-m="3498250" data-d="239">Please </span><span data-m="3498500" data-d="239">feel </span><span data-m="3498740" data-d="230">free </span><span data-m="3498970" data-d="90">to </span><span data-m="3499060" data-d="280">touch </span><span data-m="3499350" data-d="260">base </span><span data-m="3499610" data-d="170">with </span><span data-m="3499780" data-d="400">us. </span><span data-m="3500220" data-d="179">If </span><span data-m="3500400" data-d="119">you </span><span data-m="3500520" data-d="219">want </span><span data-m="3500740" data-d="90">to </span><span data-m="3501090" data-d="100">have </span><span data-m="3501191" data-d="10">a </span><span data-m="3501202" data-d="300">deeper </span><span data-m="3501503" data-d="590">conversation </span><span data-m="3502094" data-d="280">about </span><span data-m="3502830" data-d="19">how </span><span data-m="3502870" data-d="180">their </span><span data-m="3503060" data-d="470">works </span><span data-m="3503590" data-d="199">and </span><span data-m="3503800" data-d="149">how </span><span data-m="3504799" data-d="100">the </span><span data-m="3504900" data-d="100">organizations </span><span data-m="3505001" data-d="100">are </span><span data-m="3505102" data-d="320">looking </span><span data-m="3505423" data-d="239">into </span><span data-m="3505663" data-d="199">the </span><span data-m="3505863" data-d="409">effect </span><span data-m="3506273" data-d="90">of </span><span data-m="3506364" data-d="450">technology </span><span data-m="3507460" data-d="100">in </span><span data-m="3507561" data-d="100">social </span><span data-m="3507662" data-d="289">justice, </span><span data-m="3507952" data-d="70">we </span><span data-m="3508023" data-d="130">will </span><span data-m="3508154" data-d="90">be </span><span data-m="3508245" data-d="239">happy </span><span data-m="3508485" data-d="99">to </span><span data-m="3508585" data-d="469">facilitate </span><span data-m="3509055" data-d="139">those </span><span data-m="3509195" data-d="750">conversations. </span></p>
<p><span class="speaker" data-m="3511859" data-d="0">Hanan: </span><span data-m="3511859" data-d="170">And </span><span data-m="3512029" data-d="39">just </span><span data-m="3512240" data-d="110">to </span><span data-m="3512370" data-d="250">add </span><span data-m="3512620" data-d="119">to </span><span data-m="3512740" data-d="280">that, </span><span data-m="3513900" data-d="529">many </span><span data-m="3514430" data-d="19">of </span><span data-m="3514620" data-d="199">our </span><span data-m="3514820" data-d="489">fellows </span><span data-m="3515350" data-d="230">will </span><span data-m="3515610" data-d="250">will </span><span data-m="3515860" data-d="230">be </span><span data-m="3516090" data-d="449">speaking </span><span data-m="3516540" data-d="170">at </span><span data-m="3516710" data-d="590">MozFest, </span><span data-m="3517320" data-d="199">which </span><span data-m="3517520" data-d="150">is </span><span data-m="3517670" data-d="519">the </span><span data-m="3518590" data-d="10">Mozilla </span><span data-m="3518601" data-d="389">Festival </span><span data-m="3518990" data-d="170">that's </span><span data-m="3519160" data-d="489">happening </span><span data-m="3519660" data-d="539">starting </span><span data-m="3520260" data-d="309">on </span><span data-m="3520580" data-d="260">the </span><span data-m="3520889" data-d="280">eighth </span><span data-m="3521170" data-d="110">of </span><span data-m="3521290" data-d="570">March </span><span data-m="3522270" data-d="309">and </span><span data-m="3522980" data-d="349">running </span><span data-m="3523330" data-d="159">for </span><span data-m="3523490" data-d="269">two </span><span data-m="3523759" data-d="360">weeks. </span><span data-m="3524130" data-d="250">So </span><span data-m="3524380" data-d="119">if </span><span data-m="3524500" data-d="99">you </span><span data-m="3524820" data-d="100">want </span><span data-m="3524921" data-d="19">to </span><span data-m="3524941" data-d="239">learn </span><span data-m="3525181" data-d="469">more, </span><span data-m="3526089" data-d="10">I </span><span data-m="3526100" data-d="39">want </span><span data-m="3526140" data-d="79">to </span><span data-m="3526389" data-d="100">engage </span><span data-m="3526490" data-d="130">with </span><span data-m="3526621" data-d="429">others </span><span data-m="3527051" data-d="230">around </span><span data-m="3527282" data-d="199">these </span><span data-m="3527482" data-d="489">topics </span><span data-m="3527972" data-d="190">because </span><span data-m="3528163" data-d="210">it's </span><span data-m="3528374" data-d="79">a </span><span data-m="3528460" data-d="230">lot </span><span data-m="3528690" data-d="110">to </span><span data-m="3528800" data-d="239">take </span><span data-m="3529040" data-d="239">in, </span><span data-m="3530170" data-d="289">please </span><span data-m="3531960" data-d="170">do </span><span data-m="3532160" data-d="280">join </span><span data-m="3532440" data-d="260">us. </span><span data-m="3534350" data-d="10">I </span><span data-m="3534360" data-d="170">know </span><span data-m="3534530" data-d="190">there's </span><span data-m="3534720" data-d="329">somebody </span><span data-m="3535060" data-d="159">has </span><span data-m="3535220" data-d="59">a </span><span data-m="3535280" data-d="210">link </span><span data-m="3535490" data-d="349">somewhere </span><span data-m="3535850" data-d="150">else, </span><span data-m="3536000" data-d="30">and </span><span data-m="3536200" data-d="79">they </span><span data-m="3536280" data-d="199">can </span><span data-m="3536480" data-d="289">send </span><span data-m="3536770" data-d="159">it </span><span data-m="3536929" data-d="170">there, </span><span data-m="3537099" data-d="239">but </span><span data-m="3537380" data-d="219">we'll </span><span data-m="3537620" data-d="199">we'll </span><span data-m="3537860" data-d="360">email </span><span data-m="3538221" data-d="239">out </span><span data-m="3539389" data-d="110">more </span><span data-m="3539500" data-d="610">details </span><span data-m="3540160" data-d="199">with </span><span data-m="3540370" data-d="110">the </span><span data-m="3540480" data-d="440">video. </span><span data-m="3540920" data-d="150">And </span><span data-m="3541070" data-d="449">also </span><span data-m="3541549" data-d="380">maybe </span><span data-m="3541940" data-d="19">it </span><span data-m="3541969" data-d="380">suggests </span><span data-m="3542360" data-d="369">some </span><span data-m="3543259" data-d="239">really </span><span data-m="3543500" data-d="849">inspiring </span><span data-m="3545410" data-d="480">sessions </span><span data-m="3545891" data-d="159">that </span><span data-m="3546051" data-d="139">you </span><span data-m="3546190" data-d="250">could </span><span data-m="3546480" data-d="309">follow </span><span data-m="3546790" data-d="210">up </span><span data-m="3547000" data-d="239">on. </span><span data-m="3547610" data-d="190">And </span><span data-m="3547800" data-d="70">I </span><span data-m="3547870" data-d="269">really </span><span data-m="3548140" data-d="260">love </span><span data-m="3548400" data-d="119">that </span><span data-m="3548520" data-d="150">we </span><span data-m="3548670" data-d="269">ended </span><span data-m="3548940" data-d="150">on </span><span data-m="3549090" data-d="329">hope. </span><span data-m="3549480" data-d="250">Thank </span><span data-m="3549730" data-d="110">you </span><span data-m="3549840" data-d="199">so </span><span data-m="3550040" data-d="250">much. </span><span data-m="3550290" data-d="119">It </span><span data-m="3550540" data-d="100">was </span><span data-m="3550641" data-d="480">really, </span><span data-m="3551122" data-d="380">really </span><span data-m="3551503" data-d="659">fantastic </span><span data-m="3552163" data-d="570">discussion. </span><span data-m="3552734" data-d="219">Thank </span><span data-m="3552954" data-d="119">you </span><span data-m="3553074" data-d="139">all </span><span data-m="3553214" data-d="139">for </span><span data-m="3553354" data-d="369">joining </span><span data-m="3553724" data-d="159">us. </span></p>
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