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[Project Application] LotRuiner #70
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I would like to also suggest a softer version of this. Creating a trustworthy broker/advisor for people who've won the lottery could also help to capture more of the winnings & structure. Also might help folks who've won keep their money better. Also could be an uphill battle tho |
What if the winnings were evenly distributed among all the people who bought a ticket through the service? |
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@peteyreplies Oh i'm not saying abandon the dismantlement. That's definitely the chaotic side. I'm just saying, do some freelancing in the neutral/lawful good for maximum impact & lulz. Subverting the lottery is definitely the chaotic and fun part. |
Actually you would be investing in having increased odds. The expected value is similar. $2 could buy you 1 chance at a million The best part is that at some point $2 could buy you 1,000,000 chances at $1 |
I’m bad at math, but doesn’t that assume the denominator is the same?
I suppose if everyone uses our app then someone in the network winning helps, but back-of-the-envelope I think you end up with an EV still below the cost of the ticket.
Maybe you give people options
… On Jul 6, 2018, at 2:51 PM, Daniel Schultz ***@***.***> wrote:
Actually you would be investing in having increased odds. The expected value is similar.
$2 could buy you 1 chance at a million
$2 could buy you 2 chances at $500,000
$2 could buy you 20 chances at $5,000
The best part is that at some point $2 could buy you 1,000,000 chances at $1
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To be clear: the EV doesn't change at all -- the EV is always below the cost of the ticket (with or without our app) Say a million people enter a million dollar lottery at The expected value in that case is EV is already below ticket value (this is how lotteries are profitable) Say we let you pool your entries, though, and you join ONE other person
^ same expected value Now sure, lets say the other person would never have bought a ticket without our app then the EV is slightly lower:
But who's counting, right? To be very clear, there IS A POINT at which a pool gets so big that, by buying into it, you are guaranteed to never make your money back -- But we could cap the size of pools / allow members of the pool to define how big the pool is. |
Oh, another way to completely ruin lotteries. Lottery payouts are published on scratch lottery tickets -- So when someone claims their winning of a major prize, that is public knowledge. The total prize pool is predetermined and pre-published as well. This means that at any given moment, the information is out there to be able to calculate the TRUE expected value of a scratch off ticket. You could know whether, for instance, all the grand prizes were already awarded for that $20 scratcher. The state would lose TONS of money if people stop buying tickets after the big prizes were gone. That information should be part of this app, so people can know to avoid scratchers where the big payouts have already happened. |
I love the idea of something that democratizes (by doing the math on) the lottery
Like if the lottery is a tax on people who are bad at math, this app should work against it
prior art: http://archive.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2011/07/31/a_lottery_game_with_a_windfall_for_a_knowing_few/ <http://archive.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2011/07/31/a_lottery_game_with_a_windfall_for_a_knowing_few/>
… On Jul 6, 2018, at 3:13 PM, Daniel Schultz ***@***.***> wrote:
Oh, another way to completely ruin lotteries.
Lottery payouts are published on scratch lottery tickets.
The total prize pool is predetermined and pre-published as well.
This means that at any given moment, the information is out there to be able to calculate the TRUE expected value of a scratch off ticket. You could know whether, for instance, all the grand prizes were already awarded for that $20 scratcher.
That information should be part of this app, so people can know to avoid scratchers where the big payouts have already happened.
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Selling tickets:
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oh this is new:
http://www.lotteryhub.com/dl-landing.php ...except their website doesn't say you can buy tickets online. It looks like maybe this is really just a way to see if you won? |
oh no the Powerball updated their website and make their FAQs made more "professional" before they looked like this: https://web.archive.org/web/20160305013427/http://www.powerball.com/pb_contact.asp
also: https://web.archive.org/web/20160305101449/http://www.powerball.com/real-letters.asp
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BIFFUD Project Application
As described in section 11.11.B of the BIFFUD Corporate Bylaws I (we) hereby invoke my (our) rights as a (a) sentient being(s) who has (have) not uploaded their mind(s) to the cloud for consideration of this project application by the BIFFUD Hive Mind. With this application I (we) submit my (our) interest in becoming a (a) Member(s) of BIFFUD and having this project supported and adored by all who can 🤔.
Project Information
Project Description
What is your project? What is the goal?
The lottery is a regressive institution, a tax on the poor and financially insecure, that plays on their dreams and aspirations and then exploits the few winners for a public performance that eventually ruins their life.
What if we could win the lottery and undermine it at the same time?
The purpose of this project is to a) solve several prima facie 'user problems' in playing that lottery in the short term that b) accrues financial returns to BFD in the intermediate term and c) ironically destroys the lottery in the long term.
Step 1: Make playing the lottery more 'frictionless', and also more appealing from a privacy perspective
Playing the lottery remains bound to the experience of bringing $2 in cash to a 7/11 or, if you're really motivated, mailing a check to a state office for a subscription. This is a disappearing interactive experience.
Instead, we create an app that allows you to buy, or subscribe, to any lottery you choose through your phone, which reduces the friction of buying a ticket.
Critically, the user doesn't actually buy the ticket: instead, they give money to BFD, which reserves the ticket on their behalf.
If/when a ticket wins, BFD claims the ticket on the user's behalf, distributing the money to them and thus protecting their privacy and anonymity. This provides the primary appeal to users of why do this (beyond convenience).
Step 2: Accrue financial returns to BFD in the intermediate term
In return for convenience and claiming tickets, BFD takes a modest percentage of winning tickets, which increases at a gradual level on the marginal dollar until you approach something like 10% over $1m (the typical share taken by random north shore "10 percenter" families who will claim tickets on people's behalf).
Additionally, BFD could arbitrage annuities more aggressively than the state is willing to do, i.e. claim jackpot 20 year annuities and offer higher immediate payouts than the state while preserving the financial security of BFD (and its members) effectively in perpetuity.
Step 3: Ruin the lottery
The lottery maintains its social legitimacy by propagating the illusion that ordinary people win it. It does so primarily by making public, mythical figures of the 'everyday' people who win the lottery, get their picture taken, and then their lives ruined.
By intermediating the process and claiming the winnings by a faceless, trolly institution, trust in the lottery will finally dwindle and destroy it in the long term.
Bylaw Questions
How is this project a bad idea?
It maintains or perhaps even strengthens a regressive institution in the short term and then undermines a key (if problematic) source of revenue in the long term.
If this project were a D&D Character, what alignment would it be and why?
Alignment:
because it ultimately does good through chaos
Where are the lulz?
Systemic irony and enabling lots of bad decisions.
How does this project make people 🤔 (thinking face emoji)?
It causes people to question the social performances and exploitative institutions that both support and erode our democracy.
Who is Involved?
Sentient Being
Bot Overlord
Who will be the project's Comptroller?
I don't know what this means.
Is it realistic to implement through BIFFUD?
Maybe, but it's going to be more complicated than the last one. The thing is that different states have regulations about who can buy tickets. In MA, for example, they have really strange laws about a minimum number of food and drink sales you need in order to sell lotto tickets, which effectively restricts tickets to being sold at convenience and liquor stores.
We could solve this problem in two ways: one, by geographic arbitrage, i.e. buying tickets in states without this requirement; two, we buy a convenience store on behalf of Biffud.
Next Steps
Please attend the next scheduled BIFFUD plotting session to plead your case.
This issue will be updated with application status and next steps.
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