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Fix bugs in the pre-rad to have correct radii and radiation fluxes #566
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Seems reasonable to me.
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@climbfuji @RuiyuSun Thank you, Ruiyu, for noticing this bug that we overlooked. This fix does effect the cloud-radiation interaction with the use of Thompson MP, especially in the areas of subgrid clouds from MYNN PBL. Below are the diff plots of surface LW and SW radiation after 120-h fcst initialized at 5 Sept 2020 0 UTC (fix minus bug). The differences are the largest in the polar regions.
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Thanks for finding this oversight. This change seems reasonable to me.
Thanks for making the test! |
Thank you all for reviewing the change. |
I'll look for a suitable spot in the commit queue to get this merged. |
Thanks, Dom, for all your help with git!
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Thank you all for reviewing the change.
I'll look for a suitable spot in the commit queue to get this merged.
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@ligiabernardet @climbfuji Just FYI |
Thanks for checking this.
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I can confirm that this bug doe not impact the RRTMGP-2-Thompson MP
coupling. See lines 183-185,
https://github.com/NCAR/ccpp-physics/blob/master/physics/GFS_rrtmgp_thompsonmp_pre.F90
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I have a question. This fix is for the cloud liquid radius. I'm not
familiar with the type of clouds in polar regions. I assumed liquid
water presence in the polar regions would be very minimal and the
largest impact of this change would be in mid-latitudes. Am I wrong
about this?
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<https://github.com/RuiyuSun> Thank you, Ruiyu, for noticing this bug
that we overlooked. This fix does effect the cloud-radiation
interaction with the use of Thompson MP, especially in the areas of
subgrid clouds from MYNN PBL. Below are the diff plots of surface LW
and SW radiation after 120-h fcst initialized at 5 Sept 2020 0 UTC
(fix minus bug). The differences are the largest in the polar regions.
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I am not an expert in polar clouds, but I remember I had a similar question a few years. Surprising there is quite a bit of literature about mixed-phase clouds in the arctic. (Here is one example https://www.nature.com/articles/ngeo1332). I am not sure where the largest impact from this code change should be, but having at least some impact in polar regions seems reasonable to me. |
Thanks for the info and the reference!
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I am not an expert in polar clouds, but I remember I had a similar
question a few years. Surprising there is quite a bit of literature
about mixed-phase clouds in the arctic. (Here is one example
https://www.nature.com/articles/ngeo1332
<https://www.nature.com/articles/ngeo1332>). I am not sure where the
largest impact from this code change should be, but having at least
some impact in polar regions seems reasonable to me.
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Two more references on mixed phase clouds in the Arctic (GFS SCM was
included in the intercomparison)
https://rmets.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/qj.416
https://rmets.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/qj.415
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Good question, Eric. I think the largest impact from the bug might not
necessarily occur in the areas with the largest cloud water path, where the
cloud water optical depth is large before and after the bug fix. The bug
also affects the snow.
Thanks, Hannah and Fanglin, for the references. To save the disk I didn't
keep the data from the experiment with the bug. But I had an image. There
are two plots in the attached figure. The top one is the difference in the
DSW at the sfc between the controlled experiment, gfsv16ccpp, and the
Thompson MP experiment with the bug. The plot at the bottom shows the
difference after the bug was fixed. This is the 2019071100 case.
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https://rmets.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/qj.416
https://rmets.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/qj.415
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…iyu/bugfix/prerad This is update ruiyu/bugfix/prerad with the most recent version of the NCAR master.
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Approved. Will merge when regression testing is completed.
…leanup (NCAR#566) * update submodule pointer to Man's ccpp-physics PR#944 branch: ccppv6 doc update
The pressure in the wrong unit is used in density calculation and passed into the effective radius calculation for the Thompson MP in the GFS_rrtmg_pre.F90. The bug fix has been tested in gfsv16_ccpp global experiments and RRFS experiments. The results show significant impacts on the SW radiative fluxes and subsequently temperature when Thompson MP is used.
Also included: bugfix in
physics/radiation_clouds.f
foriovr==3
Associated PRs:
#566
NOAA-EMC/fv3atm#238
ufs-community/ufs-weather-model#421
For regression testing, see ufs-community/ufs-weather-model#421