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Greasy Fork is too scared to face a DMCA notice #42

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Xmader opened this issue Oct 27, 2020 · 34 comments
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Greasy Fork is too scared to face a DMCA notice #42

Xmader opened this issue Oct 27, 2020 · 34 comments

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Xmader commented Oct 27, 2020 •
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https://greasyfork.org/en/scripts/391931-musescore-downloader/reports/5060 | archive

https://greasyfork.org/en/discussions/greasyfork/65501-unreasonable-dmca-takedown-dmca-counter-notice | archive

I really can't understand why they proceeded a refused takedown notice.
(The notice dismissed by a Greasy Fork moderator at about 9am EDT Oct. 26, but the takedown happened at about 7pm. I was able to update the script on GreasyFork at 6:23pm)

The script is still available on Github and Gitlab.

They sent a notice to Gitlab also, with the same statements I've explained months ago.

Screenshot from 2020-10-27 11-17-52

So the same

Screenshot from 2020-10-27 11-23-54a

Update:

The access to the Gitlab repo has been re-enabled upon the counter notice.
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Xmader commented Oct 27, 2020

I received a message from the Mod who take the script down on Greasy Fork.

2020-10-26 22:38

User 'JasonBarnabe' on Greasy Fork has sent you a message.

I independently received a DMCA notice. Unfortunately I don't have the resources for a legal battle and I'm not willing to risk having the whole site taken down over this.

@Xoncia
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Xoncia commented Oct 27, 2020

looks like is it unreasonable
what next to do is something i would know.

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Xoncia commented Oct 27, 2020 •
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hey. also ive been thinking about setting up a discord for librescore. @Xmader
you know so we can discuss about this.
my email is dilanuthan66@gmail.com

@Xoncia
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Xoncia commented Oct 27, 2020

still chattin with gitlab? @Xmader

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Xmader commented Oct 27, 2020

still chattin with gitlab? @Xmader

Yes, my Gitlab account has been disabled, but the Gitlab support ticket page can work.

@Xoncia
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Xoncia commented Oct 27, 2020

Well, there's nothing you can really do now.

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Xoncia commented Oct 27, 2020

they are chasing you down hard.

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Xoncia commented Oct 27, 2020

i suggest changing hosting for the script

@BMHater12
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I have a feeling that Musescore is trying to kill this project off.

@Ximich
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Ximich commented Oct 27, 2020 •
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Yes, this repository will be closed in near future. Sorry for delay, we didn't have time to work on this issue.

Information about users who use this extension on musescore.com will be shared with local police. Most countries comply with copyright laws. Intellectual property objects will be protected. Using this extension violates copyright laws. Anyone using this extension is breaking the law.
But any users still can use Public Domain scores for free. Nothing changed.

Musescore as content provider will protect licensed content.

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Xmader commented Oct 27, 2020 •
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@Ximich

Wow, interesting.
Copyright laws will never work that way.

Do you (Musescore) hold any of the copyright in order to send a copyright infringement notice?
You can't even explicitly prove that you are licensed by the copyright holders you said.

I know your local police can jail anyone they want, without any reasonable evidence or investigation, just like your our greatest friend KGB did in your our greatest USSR. Will it work in other countries?

You are just trying to frighten people.

@Xoncia
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Xoncia commented Oct 28, 2020

Ok im setting up redundancy servers. This script is everywhere good luck trying to get rid of it 😃

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Xoncia commented Oct 28, 2020 •
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@Xmader dont worry we'll stay beside ya till the end

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Xoncia commented Oct 28, 2020

@Ximich
BTW your profile pic sucks af.

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Xoncia commented Oct 28, 2020

@Xmader and others use email as preferred method of communication.
Im setting up a end to end encrypted chat right now

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Xoncia commented Oct 28, 2020

Anyone who wants to join please email me at dilanuthan66@gmail.com

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Xoncia commented Oct 28, 2020

my group will be on keybase.io, please make accounts according to that

@sitdownmusescore
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Hey Ximich, I want to tell you something,

I have been using this script for a very long time even I have a pro account. It's because you (MuseScore) guys don't let us download more than 20 sheets per day. FFS, what's the point of this? I will continue to use this script and I will end my subscription end of the year. If you remove the download limit per day maybe I can consider subscribing again.

And also, "a local police"? Ahaha. This was the funniest thing I have ever seen today.

Dear Xmader, this is for you;
Thank you so much for creating this extension. Please don't let them intimidate you. You are doing god's work. Nothing can be blocked on the internet. If they remove your extension on Github, you can find another website. A telegram group would be great. Telegram is a great software for this kind of thing. Anyway, thank you again!

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Yes, this repository will be closed in near future. Sorry for delay, we didn't have time to work on this issue.

Information about users who use this extension on musescore.com will be shared with local police. Most countries comply with copyright laws. Intellectual property objects will be protected. Using this extension violates copyright laws. Anyone using this extension is breaking the law.
But any users still can use Public Domain scores for free. Nothing changed.

Musescore as content provider will protect licensed content.

Hi are you the creator/owner of that site? I want to say your site used to be FREE everything was FREE and I could download whatever hell midi I want! Used to be a wonderful site but NO YOU HAD TO FK IT UP BY YOUR OWN STUPIDITY AND GREED! NO OTHER SITE GIVES MIDI FOR A STUPID PRICE! You and your site staff are full of cheapskates! robbers! corruption! I never seen anything on the internet that can transformed SO BAD and CORRUPT all because of the damn money. SCREW COPYRIGHT! I just wanted the midis for my own work because I can't make midis myself I am no goddamn professional and nobody out there will do midi requests for me because the whole damn world is full of selfish jerks and I can only depend on the guy here who can make your shit site FREE! I HATE YOU MUSESCORE YOU SHOULD ALL BE A FREAKING SHAME OF YOURSELVES!

@Philhubgitme120
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Hey Ximich, I want to tell you something,

I have been using this script for a very long time even I have a pro account. It's because you (MuseScore) guys don't let us download more than 20 sheets per day. FFS, what's the point of this? I will continue to use this script and I will end my subscription end of the year. If you remove the download limit per day maybe I can consider subscribing again.

And also, "a local police"? Ahaha. This was the funniest thing I have ever seen today.

Dear Xmader, this is for you;
Thank you so much for creating this extension. Please don't let them intimidate you. You are doing god's work. Nothing can be blocked on the internet. If they remove your extension on Github, you can find another website. A telegram group would be great. Telegram is a great software for this kind of thing. Anyway, thank you again!

you are very generous and those very kind words show that you truly are on the very right side! I so agree that this whole change behind Musescore's idea was ridiculous and greedy! Greed will not win over our own rights and freedom! Midis should be FREE AND ALWAYS FREE!

@Philhubgitme120
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Wow! holy! I had no idea until now that this has become a serious riot lately between the people who visited the site and the idiots who made the site! What in the hell Musescore was thinking before they created a monster on their site?! I think the internet is just becoming full of greed and corruption now other sites like Photobucket, Imageshack, and Musescore are now becoming part of a ridiculous money hungry industry where the internet is now treated as a main hub for the greed when it comes to our own country's problem for the economy since few years ago and now it's only getting worse because of Covid affecting the economy and now our president got sick. What else new is going to hit our own economy next to inspire more greed taking over the net?! Might as well stay out of people's sites (especially American) and create our own sites with free content because free young people like me had to be different from others who are in the greed.

@Philhubgitme120
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Yes, this repository will be closed in near future. Sorry for delay, we didn't have time to work on this issue.

Information about users who use this extension on musescore.com will be shared with local police. Most countries comply with copyright laws. Intellectual property objects will be protected. Using this extension violates copyright laws. Anyone using this extension is breaking the law.
But any users still can use Public Domain scores for free. Nothing changed.

Musescore as content provider will protect licensed content.

ITS YOU WHO ARE THE ISSUE YOU CHEAP MONGREL! I SWEAR COVID WILL GET YOU AND FEWER PEOPLE WILL COME TO YOUR CHEAP SITE BECAUSE NOBODY WANTS TO PAY FOR FREE MIDIS! YOU CHEAP CONFUSED IMBECILE! YOUR CRUMMY SITE WILL SHUT DOWN IN THE NEAR FUTURE BECAUSE MORE AND MORE PEOPLE WILL HATE YOUR SITE FOR NOT GIVING FREE MIDIS!

@Philhubgitme120
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I have a feeling that Musescore is trying to kill this project off.

That's highway criminal I say! CRIMINAL! Taking down someone's own script that Musescore didn't made against a site that was always FREE! The site owner is a COMPLETE SCAM LORD!

@StabbyAlbert
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I don't think Greasy Fork attracts much traffic to your script in the first place. Most likely people came her searching Music Score Downloader on google and found this one to be the top result. On the basis that github is the first search result, leaving your script on Greasy Fork wouldn't facilitate script distribution.

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marcan commented Nov 2, 2020 •
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It is now crystal clear that whoever is sending these notices at MuseScore is either not a lawyer, or is a completely incompetent one. They are claiming copyright infringement, a la DMCA takedown notices, but that is nonsese. DMCA notices are only valid for copyrighted content. These are tools, and MuseScore does not own the copyright to them, so they cannot take them down using the DMCA notice mechanism.

This is the same exact situation we just saw play out with the RIAA and youtube-dl. Multiple legal experts have explained how what was issued was not a DMCA notice, and cannot be one.

Now what MuseScore could do is send a cease and desist notice alleging violation of US code §1201 (the anti-circumvention law), like the RIAA did, which would not be subject to safe-harbor requirements and it would be up to recipient to figure out if it is valid or not. But that does not appear to be what is happening here, as the notices sent contain a bunch of language that tries to evoke the safe-harbor requirements (the whole spiel about service providers having immunity from a copyright lawsuit if they take down the content quickly), which obviously do not apply here.

Of course, that would only be valid if there is a technical protection measure involved that is being broken, i.e. some DRM. Just using a web API would obviously not qualify, so if that is all these tools are doing, then MuseScore has absolutely no legal ground to stand on.

MuseScore guys, you're full of shit. Stop playing armchair lawyer. Get a real lawyer and learn how actual copyright laws around the world work.

In my opinion, everyone receiving notices from these guys should ignore them until they get their legal act together.

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ghost commented Nov 3, 2020

Now what MuseScore could do is send a cease and desist notice alleging violation of US code §1201 (the anti-circumvention law), like the RIAA did, which would not be subject to safe-harbor requirements and it would be up to recipient to figure out if it is valid or not. But that does not appear to be what is happening here, as the notices sent contain a bunch of language that tries to evoke the safe-harbor requirements (the whole spiel about service providers having immunity from a copyright lawsuit if they take down the content quickly), which obviously do not apply here.

Of course, that would only be valid if there is a technical protection measure involved that is being broken, i.e. some DRM. Just using a web API would obviously not qualify, so if that is all these tools are doing, then MuseScore has absolutely no legal ground to stand on.

MuseScore guys, you're full of shit. Stop playing armchair lawyer. Get a real lawyer and learn how actual copyright laws around the world work.

Shh, don't give them more ideas.

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Xmader commented Nov 3, 2020 •
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Technical protection inside their code?

Musescore's many products (the mobile app, the program on their server, and some Ultimate Guitar things) are using GPL licensed code (#29), so they are responsible for releasing the whole source code under the same licence.

BTW, I don't think hashing something using md5 (or similar well established algorithms) can be considered as a technical protection.

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Andrew-J-Larson commented Nov 7, 2020 •
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See my pull #50... the script works again, but must wait 8 seconds at the least so far for it to work again without tripping Musescore.

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Andrew-J-Larson commented Nov 8, 2020 •
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There something I just want to say, Musescore taken down some midis I
downloaded from when the site was FREE! 😨

Now the midis are gone I couldn't find them again. 😒

Thankfully I still have it so I should upload the missing midis someplace
else that's more safe!

In the meantime, please check out my free midi requests below! I really
wish someone should have the time making these for me! ...

This is not a place to request for MIDIs.

@CaptainChicky
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Xmader you are doing literally god's work. I can't thank you enough for creating a project like this, and standing your ground in a legal argument. No doubt you will remain victorious in the end. I think youtube-dl getting taken down is a great example of how something like this that does not violate any copyright law whatsoever can be fought again and won. My best wishes to you and your projects!

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letsG commented Dec 10, 2020

@sitdownmusescore Hi! Please tell how do You manage to learn more than 20 scores a day?

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letsG commented Dec 10, 2020

@sitdownmusescore Hi! Please tell how do You manage to learn more than 20 scores a day?

Of course in concept of "FAIR USE! For the purposes of research and study only" declared by @Xmader

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@sitdownmusescore Hi! Please tell how do You manage to learn more than 20 scores a day?

Of course in concept of "FAIR USE! For the purposes of research and study only" declared by @Xmader

Sure, maybe learning more than 20 scores per day sounds too much for you @letsG but it's peanuts for a machine learning model.

There is plenty of research in that field, just google for it and educate your self.

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