#9027 Gives back ability to put AI unconscious by shooting at limbs

[olimolly]

Fix related to #9027

When merged this pull request will:

• Gives back ability to put AI unconscious by shooting at limbs with painUnconsciousChance setting.
• Change ace_medical_const_painUnconscious to 0.35 (from 0.5).
• Change default painUnconsciousChance to 0.3 (from 0.1) to add a little dose of variation.

TIP: If you want your AI to keep being limbs insensitive:

• Just set force ace_medical_fatalDamageSource to 0 (head and so called "heart") which is exactly the goal of that setting already.

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[LinkIsGrim]

How does changing a setting and a magic var's default values fix the underlying issue you're describing?

[olimolly]

ace_medical_const_painUnconscious is a constant and is not customisable in settings.

The purpose of this constant is to be at the primary level. Other variables are reffering to this constant in order to have a functionnal logical system.
But it has been forgotten to adapt it after february update. The redesign of pain system forgot it.
New pain reworked system tone down the pain values to adapt something else (Spaghetti ?) and this constant lost its purpose. It is a threshold that can't be reached anymore by limbs pain values. checkout #9027 video .mp4

[Mike-MF]

Changing the setting default doesn't make much sense, virtually nobody runs ACE as default. And if they do raising the default after this long will just bring people asking questions about why it's happening more now.

[LinkIsGrim]

It is a threshold that can't be reached anymore by limbs pain values.

Fair enough for the change on the constant. I wouldn't change the setting's default value, though.

[severgun]

I still don't understand why, but that was intended to hide and hardcode value. Read comments.
#8394

[olimolly]

I still don't understand why, but that was intended to hide and hardcode value. Read comments. #8394

Oh wow I did not see that, but yes same matters.

At the time, I guess 0.5 was a reference value. Which is the goal of constants.
But now that everything changed in february.
Would be a solution with a default balanced value off course.

At the time you suggested adding the slider, I guess I was still okay with 0.5 default value but since february.
I had to override this in init.sqf to 0.35 cause no slider exists...

What was 0.5 is now 0.35 according to my "damages" tests and preferences.

It is an easy and good solution.

[LinkIsGrim]

How does changing a setting and a magic var's default values fix the underlying issue you're describing?

Most firearm hits to limbs will already cause pain near 1 due to low limb armor. The only scenario where this isn't the case is against armored uniforms. Changing the constant's value will do absolutely nothing. Increase the chance for unconsciousness from pain (or the pain coefficient) if you want units to go unconscious more often.

[olimolly]

Increase the chance for unconsciousness from pain (or the pain coefficient) if you want units to go unconscious more often.

The problem is that it also affects players as much as AI. So you would suggest having both unconscious chance for AI and players.

But now if you merged the slider for painUnconsciousThreshold. It will allow armored AI to be killed with bullets by shooting at limbs only. Specifally requested for sniping with 12.7. It was too much frustrating seeing that x3 12.7 shot on a leg is not enough. Adding the slider for the treshold will help.