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Support CentOS #275

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mvala opened this issue Sep 26, 2019 · 43 comments
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Support CentOS #275

mvala opened this issue Sep 26, 2019 · 43 comments
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@mvala
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mvala commented Sep 26, 2019

Is there a way to run centos 7 image via toolbox?
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thmo commented Oct 4, 2019

Same question for CentOS8, now that it is available.

@debarshiray
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There are no pre-canned Toolbox images for CentOS like we have for Fedora. That said, you can always create your own using a Dockerfile and use the --image flag to point to it.

Take a look at the Fedora Dockerfiles in the image sub-directory and the contents of the toolbox-experience and toolbox-support RPM packages. You just need to ensure that the image has some baseline command line utilities.

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erazemk commented Oct 4, 2019

@debarshiray How would I do this for the Arch base image from dockerhub? I don't know what url to add after --image.

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mvala commented Oct 7, 2019

So can i make pull request for centos image? To the same directory as you have for fedora?

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@mvala Take a look at PR #286, see if that does what you need it to.

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mvala commented Oct 14, 2019 •
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Yes, this is it

@HarryMichal HarryMichal added the 2. Images Images for creating toolbox containers label Oct 15, 2019
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mvala commented Jan 29, 2020

Any news on this issue?

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From our side no news. We're currently focused on rewriting toolbox.

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mvala commented Jan 29, 2020

Ah, i see. Will it support centos X images?

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Currently the goal is to get the original functionality and then we want to add new functionality.

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mvala commented Jan 30, 2020

Ok. I see. Will it be version 0.1.XX?

@HarryMichal
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Probably yes.

@mvalahtv
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Any updates?

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@mvalahtv, we're still putting v0.1.0 together. Feel free to check out #286 and try it locally on your machine.

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I've just tested it and it looks fine to me.

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juhp commented Oct 7, 2020

https://github.com/kronenpj/toolbox/tree/master/images/centos/7

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mvala commented Nov 2, 2021

I am producing base c7 here : registry.gitlab.com/ndmspc/user/c7:toolbox

@debarshiray debarshiray changed the title toolbox and centos 7 image Support CentOS Dec 3, 2021
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debarshiray commented Dec 3, 2021 •
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Due to the change in focus of the CentOS Project, it doesn't make sense to push forward with CentOS support. Specifically RHEL 7 or CentOS 7 is too old by this point to consider supporting it out-of-the-box, because it will inevitably need fixes to the OS, which are very unlikely to be accepted at this point.

Instead, we are going to do this via Red Hat's Universal Base Image.

We already have a UBI-based toolbox image for RHEL >= 8.5:
https://catalog.redhat.com/software/containers/ubi8/toolbox/611bd665bd674341b5c5ed46?container-tabs=dockerfile

This was referenced Dec 3, 2021
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@debarshiray
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See #791

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Instead, we are going to do this via Red Hat's Universal Base Image.

This is a shame, because CentOS has everything needed to build for RHEL, but RHEL itself does not. And UBI is a small subset of RHEL, though in my case that doesn't even matter. My goal today was "build WebKitGTK," but it's just not possible to do with RHEL because required -devel packages are buildroot only. In contrast, CentOS has a more normal distro setup without the self-sabotage. I think Toolbx images for c8s or c9s would be very useful, whereas UBI is just not enough to do what I want.

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Instead, we are going to do this via Red Hat's Universal Base Image.

This is a shame, because CentOS has everything needed to build for RHEL,
but RHEL itself does not. And UBI is a small subset of RHEL,

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I think Toolbx images for c8s or c9s would be very useful, whereas UBI is just
not enough to do what I want.

People can still use their own custom CentOS images. There's nothing stopping that.

As far as out-of-the-box support is concerned, we already have UBI images for Toolbox (for various RHEL and RHCOS use-cases that we can't get into here), and we spent a very considerable amount of energy getting those done. So it doesn't make sense to add another flavour of RHEL before wrapping up the UBI work.

Also, the whole CentOS Stream and UBI space is fresh and constantly evolving. So, I think it's wise to wait for things to settle down.

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As far as out-of-the-box support is concerned, we already have UBI images for Toolbox (for various RHEL and RHCOS use-cases that we can't get into here), and we spent a very considerable amount of energy getting those done. So it doesn't make sense to add another flavour of RHEL before wrapping up the UBI work.

Well, the main problem with UBI is the massively incomplete userspace. If RHEL UBI had the complete RHEL userspace, then sure, there's no real reason to use CentOS here. (cc: @fatherlinux).

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The questions are, in my mind are:

  1. Is the market aware of the free RHEL Developer subscription permitting use of up to 16 nodes?
  2. Is the market aware of how much easier subscription management has gotten with RHEL?
  3. Given Add SSH_AUTH_SOCK #1 and Unable to start container #2, is it still too difficult to use subscriptions with UBI + RHEL content.

Personally I think the minor speed bump to use the RHEL content is worth the value.

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Getting subscription-manager to work properly on Fedora Linux is a pain (it doesn't work right now on my Fedora Linux 35 system). It is also pretty much not available in any other distribution, so that nullifies 1 and 2.

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mcatanzaro commented Dec 10, 2021 via email

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tpopela commented Dec 13, 2021

@mcatanzaro ask the maintainers to ship the required -devel packages in AppStream or CRB?

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ask the maintainers to ship the required -devel packages in AppStream or CRB?

Why should I have to do that? What a waste of everybody's time! I would rather just use CentOS.

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tpopela commented Dec 13, 2021

It's not relevant who will do it. Your reply sounded like there's no way to go and I just wanted to be explicit about a way that exists.

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To be clear -devel packages are a RHEL issue, not a UBI issue, but I get it. I spoke with Josh Boyer about this problem the other day, and it's my understanding that each SST is left to make it's own decisions about whether to ship the -devel packages. It's mostly a resource problem. Each team has unlimited wants being asked of them, but they have limited resources to accomplish those asks.

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To be clear -devel packages are a RHEL issue, not a UBI issue

In fact, that's my point. Even if UBI provided everything that RHEL does, it still wouldn't be a suitable replacement for CentOS. Having an official CentOS Stream toolbox image would still be very useful. (Ditto for Alma and Rocky.)

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Wouldn't Alma and Rocky have the exact same problems as RHEL?

@mcatanzaro
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Wouldn't Alma and Rocky have the exact same problems as RHEL?

No, I just tested Rocky and it has all -devel packages available in PowerTools. Pretty sure CentOS is the same.

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fatherlinux commented Dec 13, 2021 via email

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No way? Maybe you misread something?

No, I just tested Rocky and it has all -devel packages available in PowerTools. Pretty sure CentOS is the same.

Ah, that said, my test was totally wrong. I was comparing RHEL without CRB to CentOS with PowerTools enabled. Oops. RHEL actually does have the -devel packages required to build what I need to build. So I'm not sure about this anymore.

The point about UBI stands though....

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For what it's worth, PowerTools content in CentOS should be identical to CRB content in RHEL. For EL9, CRB is CRB for both CentOS and RHEL. If you can do it with CRB on RHEL, then RHEL UBI with all the userspace would satisfy this need.

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fatherlinux commented Dec 13, 2021 via email

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CRB is absolutely enabled by default on RHEL UBI.

ngompa@localhost ~> podman run --rm -it ubi8
[root@d716688806a2 /]# dnf repolist
Updating Subscription Management repositories.
Unable to read consumer identity

This system is not registered with an entitlement server. You can use subscription-manager to register.

repo id                 repo name
ubi-8-appstream         Red Hat Universal Base Image 8 (RPMs) - AppStream
ubi-8-baseos            Red Hat Universal Base Image 8 (RPMs) - BaseOS
ubi-8-codeready-builder Red Hat Universal Base Image 8 (RPMs) - CodeReady Builder

If it wasn't, it'd be much more painful to use.

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fatherlinux commented Dec 14, 2021 via email

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A CentOS Stream 8/9 toolbox image would be great. Is there any progress here? I wanted to create one myself based on the existing UBI version1, but I ran into a roadblock due to the incomplete publicly available source code. The Containerfile seems to be a copy of the Fedora one but with different missing-docs and extra-packages files. Unfortunately, those two files are not publicly available. I would appreciate any advice you can give.

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Same question as @gotmax23

sudo toolbox enter -d centos -r stream9
Error: invalid argument for '--distro'
Distribution centos is unsupported.
Run 'toolbox --help' for usage.

says CentOS is still not supported. Am curious because most of this conversation happened before CentOS Stream 9 even existed. What is missing for CentOS Stream 9 support? Or is it something as simple as adding CentOS Stream 9 to the supported list?

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Minkiu commented Apr 26, 2023 •
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Hey there, to anyone that stumbles on this issue, I believe most of the conversation moved to this one: #1019 so this one could probably be closed.

The conversation boils down to community images for toolbox are managed separately in the following repository: https://github.com/toolbx-images/images

Which are hosted on Quay:
https://quay.io/organization/toolbx-images

So if you want a CentOS image toolbox you can get it with:
toolbox create --image quay.io/toolbx-images/centos-toolbox centos-stream-9

Cheers!

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I expect that toolbox should DTRT out of the box on CentOS Stream and use CentOS Stream containers. I don't want UBI toolboxes on a CentOS system.

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Yeah we should probably close this.

I thought we still didn't have CentOS Stream toolboxes based on this issue still being open.

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