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layout: ../../layouts/BlogPostLayout.astro | ||
categories: | ||
- miscellaneous | ||
date: "2024-11-03" | ||
unlisted: true | ||
title: Google Banned Me From Google Voice | ||
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After 15 years, Google banned me from [Google Voice](https://voice.google.com/). | ||
This post is a summary of what happened, with the hope that it might help | ||
someone in the future who runs into the same situation. [At the | ||
end](#retrospective), I have some | ||
thoughts about the latent danger of being banned from Google at any time with no | ||
notice. | ||
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## Background | ||
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I got my first cell phone in high school and immediately signed up for Google | ||
Voice simply because I wanted to be able to send and receive texts from my | ||
computer. So my Google Voice number is the only one I've ever given out to | ||
friends, and I use it as my phone number whenever I can. The only time I use my | ||
"real" Verizon phone number is when I can't receive verification codes because | ||
some services block [VoIP](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voice_over_IP) numbers. | ||
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That was a minor annoyance, and I've loved being able to text and even call from | ||
any device, even if my phone was off or not in service (e.g. traveling | ||
internationally). So I stuck with it for 15 years. My only worry has been that | ||
it seems like another product that Google could easily decide to kill off and | ||
send to the [Google graveyard](https://killedbygoogle.com/) at any moment. But | ||
that turned out to be the wrong worry for me. | ||
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## Getting Banned | ||
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My problems started on October 4, 2024. I got a notification on my phone saying | ||
I had been logged out of my Google account. This had never happened to me | ||
before, and I thought someone might be trying to hack into my account. I was | ||
concerned but not terribly worried because I had two-factor authentication | ||
turned on. On my personal laptop, I saw a notification that I had been logged | ||
out of Google Drive. | ||
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I logged back in on my phone and laptop, going through two-factor authentication | ||
both times. Then I checked the [security | ||
log](https://myaccount.google.com/notifications) for my Google account. I saw | ||
that my account had been disabled at 12:55 pm, but the log didn't have any | ||
details about why. Logging back in had restored my account at 2:38 pm. | ||
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The log didn't have any other security activity, like login attempts. I even | ||
reviewed my [full Google activity](https://myactivity.google.com) but didn't see | ||
anything that I didn't recognize. Everything seemed back to normal, so I went | ||
back to work. | ||
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A few hours later, I tried sending some pictures in a group text in Google | ||
Voice. The first picture went through fine. But when I tried to send a second | ||
one, I received an error message that said something like "Sorry, there was an | ||
error. Please try again later." I retried a few times. Then I tried sending a | ||
plain text message to my wife and got the same error. | ||
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I was worried that it was related to my account being deactivated, but the | ||
optimist in me thought that maybe Google Voice was having an outage. Until I got | ||
home and went on my laptop to check Google Voice in my browser. It redirected me | ||
to [this Google support | ||
page](https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/40039?p=grandcentral) with this | ||
message: | ||
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> Unable to access a Google product | ||
> | ||
> If you've been redirected to this page from a particular product, it means | ||
> that your access to this product has been suspended. Read on for more | ||
> information. | ||
> | ||
> Your access to this Google product has been suspended because of a perceived | ||
> violation of either the [Google Terms of | ||
> Service](https://www.google.com/policies/terms/) or product-specific Terms of | ||
> Service. For specific product guidelines, please visit the homepage of each | ||
> Google product you're interested in for a link to its Terms of Service. | ||
> | ||
> Google reserves the right to: | ||
> | ||
> * Disable an account for investigation. | ||
> * Suspend a Google Account user from accessing a particular product or the | ||
> entire Google Accounts system, if the Terms of Service or [product-specific | ||
> policies](https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/147806) are violated. | ||
> * Terminate an account at any time, for any reason, with or without notice. | ||
> | ||
> Next steps for suspended accounts: If you believe your access to this product | ||
>was suspended in error, [contact | ||
>us](https://support.google.com/accounts/contact/suspended). | ||
> | ||
> Tip: If you are not redirected to this page from a product, review your | ||
> [service restrictions to file an | ||
> appeal](https://myaccount.google.com/restrictions). | ||
My heart sank. Getting banned by Google's automated systems is a situation that | ||
I have read [plenty of | ||
stories](https://www.google.com/search?q=hacker+news+google+account+disabled+site:news.ycombinator.com) | ||
about, and I had an idea of what was next: a Kafkaesque situation in which I | ||
would probably never talk to an actual human being, I'd never get any useful | ||
details, and I would likely be forced to accept losing my phone number. | ||
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I tried making an outbound call. It didn't work. I asked my wife to call me. | ||
That didn't work either. I asked my wife to text me. From her perspective, it | ||
looked like it worked, but I obviously couldn't see the text. That was even | ||
worse because it meant that anyone who texted me wouldn't get any indication | ||
that anything was wrong. | ||
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## First Appeal | ||
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The Google support page advised me to [submit a | ||
form](https://support.google.com/accounts/contact/suspended) appealing the | ||
suspension. I did so immediately, explaining that I was suspended right after | ||
sending a picture and noting that I had been logged out of my Google account | ||
earlier in the day. I received an automated email: | ||
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> Thank you for contacting us about restoring access to your Google Account. | ||
> | ||
> Google will review your appeal as soon as possible. Most requests take 2 | ||
> business days to review, but some might take longer. | ||
> | ||
> You may be able to download your data from some Google services. To get | ||
> started, sign in to your account. If your account is eligible, you’ll see a | ||
> link to download your data. | ||
> | ||
> Thanks for your patience. | ||
I did try to use [Google Takeout](https://takeout.google.com/) to export my | ||
data, but Google Voice no longer shows up in the list of products, even though | ||
I'm sure it did in the past because I have [exported my Google Voice | ||
data](https://support.google.com/voice/answer/10130510?hl=en) before. So the | ||
suspension presumably affected that as well. | ||
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I subscribe to a [Google One](https://one.google.com/about) plan. I knew that | ||
one of the more understated benefits is the ability to get live support from an | ||
actual person, something that is generally impossible with Google. I had nothing | ||
to lose, so I started a chat. It ended up being a waste of time because the | ||
person I talked to was fixated on me mentioning getting logged out of my | ||
account. So they started recommending ways to protect my account. When I brought | ||
the conversation back to the Google Voice suspension, they were unable to access | ||
the ticket that was created when I submitted my appeal. So I ended the | ||
conversation. | ||
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On October 6 (two days later), I heard back about my appeal: | ||
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> Hello, | ||
> | ||
> We have reviewed your request and cannot reinstate your Google Voice service. | ||
> Your Google Voice service has been suspended for violations of our [Google | ||
> Voice Policies](https://support.google.com/voice/answer/9230450?hl=en). | ||
> | ||
> If you have any further questions, please consult the [Google Voice Help | ||
> Center](https://support.google.com/voice/#topic=13968863). | ||
> | ||
> Thanks, | ||
> | ||
> Google Voice Support Team | ||
## Second Appeal | ||
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On October 7, I submitted a second appeal. I explained that I reviewed the | ||
Google Voice policies and did not believe I violated any of them. I never sent | ||
large quantities of texts, I never sent commercial texts, I only used it to text | ||
friends and family, and there was nothing remotely inappropriate about the | ||
picture I sent right before I was suspended. The picture was of four adults | ||
around a baby in a stroller on a sidewalk. The baby is dressed and even has a | ||
blanket on him. I added that that was the only text I sent on the day I was | ||
suspended, and I didn't make any calls that day. | ||
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On October 8, I received the same reply that I got for the first appeal. | ||
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I considered writing this blog post immediately, posting it to Hacker News, and | ||
hopefully getting enough traction that someone at Google would see it and do | ||
something about it. But I didn't bother because even on the off chance that it | ||
worked, I wouldn't be able to trust Google Voice again and would still want to | ||
port my phone number out. | ||
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## Reclaiming My Number | ||
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At this point, porting my number out was my only priority. I didn't want to tell | ||
all my friends and family to use a new number. And I didn't want to deal with | ||
trying to update my number for a countless number of services, especially since | ||
I'm sure it'd be a hassle for many of them without access to the old number. | ||
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I did some searching and learned that the Google Voice subreddit has [an entire | ||
document on suspensions](https://www.reddit.com/r/Googlevoice/comments/17n4zl2/google_voice_service_suspensions/). Suspensions apparently happen often enough that the subreddit disallows threads on suspensions since there's nothing they can do about it. | ||
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I found [one wonderfully detailed | ||
post](https://www.reddit.com/r/Googlevoice/comments/1dr47m4/account_suspended_reclaiming_your_number_and_your/) | ||
("Account Suspended - Reclaiming your Number and your Dignity; a How-To Guide") | ||
that has been removed because of the subreddit's rule. But that post, as well as | ||
[another | ||
one](https://www.reddit.com/r/google/comments/1filpr1/got_my_suspended_google_voice_number_back_fcc/) | ||
that is still up, said the posters were able to get their numbers out by [filing | ||
complaints](https://consumercomplaints.fcc.gov/hc/en-us) with the | ||
[FCC](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Communications_Commission). So I | ||
planned to do that, expecting the whole process to take a couple of months. | ||
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On October 9, I added a new line to my Verizon plan as a target for the phone | ||
number. A silver lining is that with the new line, I was able to get a new | ||
iPhone 15 for almost free after bill credits. I initiated a port in request with | ||
my Google Voice number. I expected this transfer to fail, since I was unable to | ||
access my Google Voice account to [unlock the | ||
number](https://support.google.com/voice/answer/1065667?hl=en). Then I would | ||
submit the FCC complaint. | ||
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But to my pleasant surprise, the port went through in a couple of days! I | ||
activated service on the new iPhone with my old Google Voice number. I did have | ||
an issue where I could make calls and send and receive texts, but I couldn't | ||
receive calls. I called the Verizon port center (1-888-844-7095), and the person | ||
who helped me did something on their end to truly finish off the port. After | ||
that, I could receive calls as well. So I never needed to use the FCC's muscle. | ||
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On October 23, I received an email from Google Voice saying that my number was | ||
ported away: | ||
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> Hello Danny Guo, | ||
> | ||
> This email is to confirm that your Google Voice number (xxx-xxx-xxxx) has been | ||
> ported away from Google Voice. Calls made to that number will no longer ring | ||
> your forwarding phones and new voicemails won't appear in your Google Voice | ||
> inbox. | ||
> | ||
>Your Google Voice account has been downgraded accordingly, but your existing | ||
>voicemails and text messages remain available in your inbox. You can also | ||
>continue placing calls from Gmail. | ||
> | ||
>You can upgrade your account at any time by getting a new Google Voice number. | ||
> | ||
>Thanks | ||
> | ||
>The Google Voice team | ||
Now when I open Google Voice on my phone, it asks me to pick a new number as if | ||
I'm starting from scratch. But on web, it still redirects me to the suspension | ||
page. | ||
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## Retrospective | ||
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I have conflicted thoughts about what happened. I've used Google services for | ||
the majority of my life. In college, I remember playing [would you | ||
rather](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Would_you_rather) at lunch, and a friend | ||
asked if I'd rather lose access to everything Google or lose a physical sense. I | ||
really had to think about it. | ||
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I've only ever used Android smartphones and smartwatches, despite being | ||
virtually the only one among my friends and family to not have switched to | ||
iPhone. Which makes me the person who tends to get grief for ruining group chats | ||
by turning them into [green | ||
bubbles](https://www.wsj.com/articles/why-apples-imessage-is-winning-teens-dread-the-green-text-bubble-11641618009). | ||
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And I directly pay Google by subscribing to Google One, YouTube Premium, and | ||
Google Workspace (just for my custom domain email). | ||
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One major reason I've stuck with Google for so long is that I value using | ||
services that are multiplatform. I may have an Android phone and watch, but I | ||
also have a MacBook and an iPad. | ||
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And I still think Google Search can be pretty magical. Despite [its | ||
decline](https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2023/09/google-search-size-usefulness-decline/675409/) | ||
and the fact that [LLM](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Large_language_model)s are | ||
just better for certain searches. | ||
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But relying on Google worries me because of all those stories I've read about | ||
people being banned. Sure, some of those cases might be lacking some details | ||
that would justify the bans, but I was convinced enough to put a lot of effort | ||
into migrating away from Gmail several years ago. Consider how important your | ||
email account is to your digital life and how awful it would be to suddenly lose | ||
access to your email with no warning. | ||
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By now, everything important uses my custom domain email address. I do use | ||
Google Workspace for it, so i'm technically still using Gmail. But the point is | ||
that I control the address. If Google bans me one day, all I have to do is | ||
update my DNS records to switch to something like | ||
[Fastmail](https://www.fastmail.com/). | ||
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The possibility of a Google ban is also one small reason I haven't gotten into | ||
Android development. I could [accidentally violate their | ||
terms](https://medium.com/@antaresone/google-just-terminated-my-google-play-developer-account-forever-f62d6362b6ac) | ||
and get banned from publishing apps in an instant. | ||
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And I deliberately do not take any pictures of my infant son nude on the off | ||
chance it [gets flagged as child sexual abuse | ||
material](https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/21/technology/google-surveillance-toddler-photo.html) | ||
after being uploaded into Google Photos, and my entire Google account is banned. | ||
With my recent situation, I consider myself lucky that I was at least only | ||
banned from Google Voice. | ||
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It says something that my biggest issue with Google isn't that their services | ||
aren't good anymore or that they kill things off all the time. It's that I'm | ||
afraid they will just ban me with no recourse. It finally happened, and it | ||
wasn't even for a service that I was worried about. | ||
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I work in software and in fintech. I can understand that Google operates at such | ||
a massive scale that many things have to be automated, and even if there are | ||
some false positives, that could be a worthy tradeoff to Google to not have to | ||
put humans into the loop. | ||
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I also understand the logic of not telling people what rules they broke because | ||
you don't want bad actors to get a better understanding of the system because | ||
that would allow them to fine tune their attacks accordingly. | ||
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But I am still frustrated about temporarily losing my phone number. Sure I never | ||
paid for Google Voice, but Google never gave me an option to pay for it. In this | ||
case, I would have happily paid $100 just to find out why exactly I was banned. | ||
What rule or model decided I needed to be banned? | ||
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Part of it is curiosity. Was the last picture I sent the issue? Getting logged | ||
out of my phone earlier in the day suggests it wasn't. But I didn't do anything | ||
else on Google Voice that day, and I barely sent any texts or made any calls in | ||
the days before. I'm confident that if a real person looked at my account, | ||
they'd agree something in the automation went wrong. You may have some | ||
skepticism. Unfortunately, I can't provide my activity, since I can't see it | ||
anymore after the app recognized that my number was ported out. | ||
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I'm [not the only | ||
one](https://www.reddit.com/r/Googlevoice/comments/1fcw44j/google_voice_exit_strategy_update/) | ||
dealing with this kind of a situation. Google can afford to simply not care | ||
about us. |