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Rename positive/negative palettes to be culturally inclusive #4766

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markov00 opened this issue Apr 29, 2021 · 12 comments · Fixed by #7570
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Rename positive/negative palettes to be culturally inclusive #4766

markov00 opened this issue Apr 29, 2021 · 12 comments · Fixed by #7570
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markov00 commented Apr 29, 2021

We have two single hues, sequential, color palettes named Positive and Negative

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The same naming is also reused within Kibana, in the color palette dropdown menu for visualization (lens/visualize)

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The reason is that the association of green = Positive and red = Negative are mostly a western region type of association, where some eastern regions use the opposite association, where green = Negative and red = Positive.

Just take a look at the Japanese stock market:

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I'd like to propose a name change, toward culturally neural names, like Greens and Reds or something similar.

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Thanks @markov00,

I worked on a product for the Chinese market before and that's where I learned about these differences in the way we perceive colors.

I completely agree that we should rename our palettes to be more inclusive.

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markov00 commented Nov 2, 2021

I think we should not close this issue, I know that is a major breaking change, but there are reasons for that

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@cee-chen cee-chen added help wanted The EUI team is looking for community members to pick up and implement this issue breaking change and removed design decision labels Feb 27, 2023
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@markov00 I noticed that @gvnmagni is working on guidelines for "How to use colors in Data Visualization". It's a good time to look into this issue. I'll connect with @gvnmagni to get his input and guidance.

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Totally agree with you all, we should definitely do that. Given also the "Color by term" initiative, this might be a good moment to tackle this as well

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cee-chen commented Feb 23, 2024

@gvnmagni @markov00 Any chance either of you would have time to contribute to EUI to help get this done? I can re-open if so, but I'm not totally sure when else we'll be able to prioritize this as a team.

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gvnmagni commented Mar 6, 2024

Let me talk with Marco about this, I'll get back to you!

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After thinking about this a little, I would personally avoid using any term that can be associated with anything different that the color itself. We do have Cool and Warm palette, but I think that they can work since they refer to something that naturally happen and that it's not related to anything "cultural".

As we have the Gray gradient, I would suggest to rename these as Green and Red in order to avoid any possible assumption.

@markov00 please feel free to add anything if you think it's relevant, but I believe this will solve this issue pretty quickly and protecting us from future additional conversation around meanings. Also, the new color mapping feature will help us when dealing with gradients, once adopted in all places

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