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I'd honestly not like to roll our own, but I personally have a few sticking points that need to be met for an alternative platform:
It may be that we do want our own blog system, but perhaps not for non-technical people. Primary example is marcom team. To be clear, we can have a blog system external to the app that is really just used by the marcom team for sharing news, etc. while we have a way for working groups and contributors, etc to add posts directly on the site as well. I have most of the feature done as far as working groups go, I put it on pause while I dealt with lots of operational on-goings last week. I also put it on pause per thinking about the complexity of dealing with permissions outside the scope of working groups (i.e., if someone from marcom adds an announcement, how do we simply implement a system that will allow anyone else from marcom edit the post as needed). I'm not for reinventing the wheel by any means, but I've also been bitten too many times in the past gluing disparate systems together and have seen where the growing pains of having to get away from glue can almost kill an organization. @benoitc I believe you were suggesting ghost? Do you have an example or can you example in simple terms how we would set this up, maintain, etc? |
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For our own company and later GRiSP websites we are currently reworking based on https://vuepress.vuejs.org & https://forestry.io Forestry looks like a normal CMS and uses a Git repo as a backing. That sounded to me like the best of both worlds which gives everyone what they need (also have to deal with dev types and normal users). So far it looks good to us. |
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Yeah, that is similar to using hugo + netifly cms. We should try it IMO. |
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Speaking of Ghost, it is basically a static website that will be updated from a dynamic API. A CMS allows easy edition of the content. It can be self-hosted or not.
About easing integration, I am not sure what you mean there. Many websites are using a blog on its own subdomain. Or you can use wordpress or ghost to handle the whole website. In our case it would be enough to have What I am suggesting is using a tool (CMS/Publishing platform) that doesn't require to use an editor or git. We should ensure that anyone from the ecosystem - and not only devs or geeks - can propose, edit and collaborate on a blog. To your list I would like to add such features specific to a content platform:
These basics features are hardly reproduced in these static generators. Ghost/ Wordpress are supporting them but there are others CMS around that support it. Including some already written in Erlang like zotonic. Imo to decide should list all the features we want and prioritize the tool based on it. Thoughts? |
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I'm not completely opposed to ghost, but I do not want to host it. It would be nice if there was something like ghost, but more lightweight. Regardless, it has to be evaluated (time box). |
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Before talking about the implementation we must fix the requirements needed
for the blog. Is anything missing in the list above? Are there tickets
already created about it?
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I'm not completely opposed to ghost, but I do not want to host it. It
would be nice if there was something like ghost, but more lightweight.
Regardless, it has to be evaluated (time box).
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I think most everything you bullet pointed above is what i see as general requirements.
Let me add a couple to that list :
As for my comment on slack, I was simply stating it would be nice if there were something that existed in our ecosystem that fulfills the above so we can support out ecosystem, but there is no such tool to my knowledge. That said, AFAIK ghost seems like the best fit and no one else has put forth any other suggestions. I like the idea of forestry, but I think it's a better fit when you're entire website is made with forestry, not just a part. |
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Well zotonic should fit our needs imho. But let’s point the bullet in front
of its features :)
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I think most everything you bullet pointed above is what i see as general
requirements.
- be able to preview a blog
- allows private view of a post
- scheduling (allows an author to plan when a post will be published)
- allow a group of author to participate to a blog or a post
- allows multiple author on a blog post
- store history of edits to ease the dition
- support RSS/ATOM and other media format
- can support the addition of of media to a post
- support templating
- can easily be binded to our member database
Let me add a couple to that list :
- Easy to setup (relative, but it shouldn't take an entire day to get
going)
- Easy to interface with the api (for integrating into main site)
- Easy to make seamless (more or less) style wise with the main site.
As for my comment on slack, I was simply stating it would be nice if there
were something that existed in our ecosystem that fulfills the above so we
can support out ecosystem, but there is no such tool to my knowledge. That
said, AFAIK ghost seems like the best fit and no one else has put forth any
other suggestions. I like the idea of forestry, but I think it's a better
fit when you're entire website is made with forestry, not just a part.
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Does zontonic offer a hosted solution? I figured it was self-hosted, etc. That one is very important to me. I do not want us to host this nor maintain it in any form short of maintaining the content, etc. |
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We can contract them for it’s maintenance. Until we handle the design and
the customization that should enter in the wg budget. If we want that we
should set our requirements for it and the 99 we want.
Benoît
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Does zontonic offer a hosted solution? I figured it was self-hosted, etc.
That one is very important to me. I do not want us to host this nor
maintain it in any form short of maintaining the content, etc.
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I'm afraid zotonic won't do. At least from what I saw in their editor demo. One big thing it lacks that is full on show stopper is a wysiwyg editor. |
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Adding my 2c here, as the initiator of Zotonic. I checked your list, and Zotonic does all that and much more. And, of course, it has a wysiwyg editor. It is used by many people to edit content. For hosting, we can discuss that, as we do host quite some ourselves and also work with other parties.
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And here you can read a bit about Zotonic and the ideas behind It https://test.zotonic.com/page/2192/the-rational-of-zotonic (This is the test version of the new zotonic site) |
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I see. when I went to the editor demo on the site this is all I saw :
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Ah yes, we should just abolish that demo site. It is running an ancient version. But we didn’t have the time yet to make a new demo site.... Looking at your screenshot I suspect that the tinymce module is not enabled on that ancient demo site. |
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I see! well, I think we certainly need to try zotonic for our purposes. I feel very strongly that if we can put money back into the community / ecosystem and fulfill our needs adequately then it's a win-win and a no-brainer. Let's discuss further! |
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In Principle Zotonic could be a good choice. There might be resistance at the board level though: we spent a substantial amount on the Erlang Central porting to Zotonic (that was as IEUG) only to at the end throw it away because we didn't get the data transferred at a reasonable cost. What exactly happened and who's fault that was I have no idea. Just mentioning that they might be resistance with those who still remember that we (as in our precursor, but the money would be in EEFs bank account if we hadn't) thrown some money in the direction of Zotonic and had nothing usable. Therefore if is to be done it needs to be well prepared: clear comparison of alternatives. All cost estimates. |
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I can well imagine that it was mishandled by IEUG, the contact person on our side (the Chair of IEUG) went MIA during the project and is still missing so we can't even ask him |
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The GitHub login is, of course, open source. So it can be re-used (after some dusting off for the newest Zotonic version). |
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MIA, that sounds like the same contact person.... the people at the agency also used the term MIA |
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Can't type: As I said I'm not oposing this idea at all |
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Darn autocorrect: now its correct: not opposing! |
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Let's discuss alternatives to rolling our own blog solution. Let's discuss the pros and cons of each alternative solution and the pros and cons of rolling our own.
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