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WiFi Mesh unstable when parent offline (IDFGH-13875) #14720
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@michaelsimp |
Hi
Thanks for the response.
I have a deadline for a project demo this week but I will go back
and reinstall from scratch and rebuild and test and send you the
files requested.
One thing I note is that I originally installed IDF into vscode
when 5.2.2 was the current build. I have since upgraded to ver
5.3.0 and selected this and did a clean build on my project.
Now I have gone back to "show examples" to recreate the
ip_internal_network project from scratch, it asks which version of
the IDF I want to use but only lists ver 5.2.2. Only once I
create the project I can change the version of IDF to 5.3.0
Using winmerge I compared the directory structure and files from
my target folder containing ip_internal_network
from ver 3.2.2, with the
...\esp\v5.3\esp-idf\examples\mesh\ip_internal_network folder and
the only change was in the partition.csv which now must be
aligned.
I also note there is now a version 5.3.1 marked as stable, and
5.3.0 has gone? I also found migration notes for going from 5.3
to 5.4 although I can't find this in the installer. Is 5.4 the
master (development branch).
Which version would you recommend I use? I have found everything
in IDF to be stable and bug free except for the WiFi Mesh.
Could you advise how I update IDF properly so it will enable me to
select latest version of IDF when I create project from "Show
Examples".
Last time I followed the instructions from Visual Studio at:
https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=espressif.esp-idf-extension#:~:text=In%20Visual%20Studio%20Code%2C%20select,not%20supported%20inside%20configured%20paths
Regards
Michael
On 22/10/2024 10:57 pm, ZYJ wrote:
@michaelsimp
I have tested using the ip_internal_network
example, but I didn't reproduce your problem. Can you provide
the .elf file when the crash
issue happen? Or can you provide the core dump decode file?
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Hi I created the ip_internal_network project from examples and configured as follows: Clean and Build project. But what I did find easy to reproduce was: See attached files: Also see .elf and .bin files in attachment. I don't know what or where the "Core dump decode file is", but these tests don't show a CPU crash. I cant run under the debugger due to the power cycle tests. Please see attachment MESH-Testing.zip two comments down |
I did some more tests which can easily cause CPU crashes. Power on both nodes, one becomes MESH_ROOT and one MESH_NODE. Second test. Power up only one node, becomes MESH_ROOT |
MESH-Testing.zip |
Hi @michaelsimp The esp-idf vscode extension allows you to save settings in multiple places: User (Global settings for vscode), Workspace and Workspace folder (your project's .vscode/settings.json). The It seems the example you are trying to use have some components with specific behavior in each esp-idf version. So building a v5.2.2 example using esp-idf v5.3 might produce some compilation problems. How about creating an example using esp-idf v5.3 ?
We will try to update the Show examples command to show all available esp-idf versions from esp-idf vscode extension to make this easier. |
@michaelsimp The backtrace of the crash issue is here:
I think this issue is caused by the mismatch between your IDF version and the version in the example. Please update your version according to Brain's suggestion and test it again. |
I installed IDF version 5.3.1
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Delete this file:
and try to run About the ESP-IDF v5.2.2 again, it is because the newly created project does not set settings when created. You can select the v5.3.0 from status bar again. Again sorry for this issue, will work to make it easier to use in the next release of esp-idf extension. |
I need to make some real progress on this so I have completely uninstalled esp-idf and manually deleted all the ESP and espressif folders including all 3 IDF versions. |
Hi again "Fail 1.txt" is taken from the Mesh_Root "Fails 2.txt" is taken from the Mesh_Node |
It's weird, I have tested it multiple times as you said (the following two cases) and it can connect normally without any crashing issues.
I'm using the Github IDF, and I will try to test with the vscode extension |
FYI I use vscode for coding and building and
sometimes JTAG debugging
Most of the time in testing I am am monitoring serial com port
using Putty terminals on com ports
Thanks
On 30/10/2024 4:56 pm, ZYJ wrote:
It's weird, I have tested it multiple times as you
said (the following two cases) and it can connect normally
without any crashing issues.
Power on both nodes, one becomes MESH_ROOT and one
MESH_NODE. Power off WIFI router. MESH_ROOT crashes. See file
attached MESH_ROOT "Router power off.txt" (crash at end)
Second test. Power up only one node, becomes
MESH_ROOT Power off Router This time MESH_ROOT does not crash
Power on Router MESH_ROOT does not crash Power on a second
node which connects to the first MESH_ROOT - see line 492
MESH_ROOT crashes.
I'm using the Github IDF, and I will try to test
with the vscode extension
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Are you using the completely unmodified example code during your testing? |
Yes. I did not change anything except:
See my source files attached where you can see most are untouched with the original install date 30/10/24 02:13pm NZ time. |
FYI I use vscode for coding and building and sometimes JTAG debugging In addition to the crashing, sometimes a MESH_NODE will not reconnect to the MESH network. As a work around for this, I want to stop and restart the wifi mesh network? No matter what I try, my nodes intermittently crash on restart? Is this perhaps related? I am hoping you could please answer a few questions to help me. What are the recommended steps to stop and then restart the WiFi Mesh network? I currently have :
but this causes a lot of error logging which stops if I add ... My restart is as follow:
I notice with my custom application: The IDF documentation states "To prevent nodes from forming a weak upstream connection, ESP-WIFI-MESH implements an RSSI threshold mechanism for beacon frames." Is this configurable and if so where? I cant find it in the API or in MenuConfig. What is the default RSSI threshhold value? The IDF documentation states in Preferred Parent Node "The preferred parent node is determined based on the following criteria: Which layer the parent node candidate is situated on. The number of downstream connections (child nodes) the parent node candidate currently has". Is it recommend to use self-organized networking or for serious applications should I manually build the mesh network? I will only have a max of 10 mesh nodes altogether but they do a reasonable amount of MQTT5 communications to the cloud. |
@michaelsimp The following are the answers for your questions:
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@michaelsimp I can reproduce the crash using the vscode, I will check the difference between VSCode and standard IDF |
Hi Zhangyanjiaoesp |
Hi Zhangyanjiaoesp Thanks so much for taking the time to answer all my questions. Please note THESE tests are with MY application (NOT with example program ip_internal_network) running on a network of 6 nodes - all ESP32-S3. My application has a CLI console integrated so I can trigger actions and see the responses on the COM port. Q1 I will go back to just calling Q2 Triggered from the CLI Console I was calling:
Q3 The CLI Console is started from my Mainline as is my WiFi Mesh application (built on top of the ip_internal_network source). Q4 I understand this Q5 Thanks Q6 Thanks for clarifying this but I am not finding this to be the case. I distributed some MESH_Nodes across the office with the aim of creating a multi-hop network between the far extremes. But it does not form as expected or at all well for healthy RSSI. I have nodes which are close to my Mesh_Root or 2nd layer Mesh_Nodes which are not at parent capacity numbers. When my other Mesh_Nodes do connect to these parents they provide an RSSI on the child to the parent of -35dBm. But they most frequently want connect to nodes a much longer distance away getting a RSSI of < -70dBm. I read somewhere the default RSSI threshold is -120dBm, but I am finding nodes with RSSIs < -70dBm often lose their MQTT connection to the broker. I have an office environment and I have located the nodes approx 10 to 20 meters apart with a max of one wall between but they are not all line of site. I very much doubt I could even get a connection at RSSI less than -100dBm. I am thinking it may be a signal to noise ratio issue so I have scanned the office for WiFi channel usage and selected channel 1 on my WIFI Router as nothing else is using this channel and no other channels overlap. I know this is not an easy question to answer with precision and I appreciate the many influences, but realistic what is the ballpark min RSSI range at which I can expect a node to work reliably at what sort of distance range. Q7 Because of my Q6 response above, I have started evaluating the example project "manual_networking" to make my MESH_NODES manually scan and select MESH_NODES with the healthiest RSSI. It sounds like you are saying the IDF framework should already be doing this? Best regards |
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See attached: "Target Network .png" shows the walls as black lines and nodes as circles. The blue lines are approx what I was expecting to see. It forms very randomly but with bad choices like the file "Actual example Network.png" with links and dBm in red. My project is configured for up to 50 nodes and 3 children per node as I wanted to force some layers. |
"According to the backtrace of the crash issue, it seems related to DHCP, it won't affect the mesh networking." That may be the case with the crash issue you found, but the root cause of the vscode IDF environment may cause more than one issue. I guess you will know better when you get to the bottom of the vscode IDF environment issue Do the diagrams I sent help you understand my issue better now? |
Hi In response to your last post: At present I only consider the RSSI value. My thoughts were, I am not wanting to build the mesh network from scratch as I start with a self configured network. I am only planning to make changes to nodes with poor RSSIs. So far my tests have been successful network architecture wise (when I have a fixed ROOT so I don't get the broken mesh problem). I appreciate what you are saying and will certainly doo more testing and add more intelligence into the parent selection if necessary. I already send all my node network attributes to the MESH_ROOT where I have a table of all node and their parent, children, layers and RSSI. I could broadcast this to all nodes if necessary to enable smarter logic at the selection. But I can't keep the manual scan and parent switch code while it causes my network to break which leaves me in a real predicament performance wise. I really need a resolution to this as my priority. Thanks for your ongoing help |
You can use the reason code to categorize the issues, but this is not entirely reliable, as different scenarios may generate the same reason code.
Are you saying that using |
Yes Test 2 1.txt through test 2 4.txt were the 4 devices on a single round of testing test 4 was done with" Are you saying that using disconnected->reason == WIFI_REASON_BEACON_TIMEOUT for judgment is completely ineffective, or it can work but can't work as well as (disconnected->reason != WIFI_REASON_ASSOC_LEAVE) && (disconnected->reason != WIFI_REASON_NO_AP_FOUND) && (disconnected->reason != WIFI_REASON_AP_TSF_RESET) Neither work reliably. after 2 or 3 cycles some nodes will fail and go MESH_IDLE and not scan and the network is broken. |
I just reviewed the log for test3, and the device behavior is normal. The device being in the MESH_IDLE state is not permanent; it is a temporary state. Below is my analysis:
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According to your test log, I think the |
How long should it take to for a MESH_IDLE to find a parent again? I am sure I waited 10s of seconds and it wasn't even scanning. |
Hi Today I am getting problems where nodes get stuck in a loop logging forever. I can't keep my trace open long enough as I lose the start, but take my word for it please, once in this state it never comes out no matter how long (minutes). eg
I found I am the author of one way that this can happen, if I scan and switch parents manually. See test1 logs attached where This is one cause of the above. I think I can fix this by checking that I am not switching the nodes parent to one of its children. But Test 2 looks the same problem but is not triggered by the above. MESH_ROOT is powered off. A panic crash on a MESH_NODE 48:ca:43:9b:5d:20 which still happens from time to time, but my bigger concern is that after this, MESH_NODE MAC: 48:27:e2:18:39:80 gets stuck in the disconnect loop Are you able to reproduce these problems with the ip_internal_network you modified a week or so back? I get lost in all of this and feel we would make better progress if you were able to test, analyze and debug directly. |
Hi again |
Two posts back I wrote:
When I looked at the code, I am finding it difficult to decipher the variables
the original source (taken from the example project "manual_networking") seems to be already checking : Could you take a look at the test 1 logs as they do appear to be setting parent to each other. The entire routine is currently as follows if you could check and make any changes please.
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Hi By the way all yesterdays test and logs and today were made with your recommendation of only using I have been testing getting the 4 nodes stacked up across 4 layers and powering off the NODE on layer 2 rather than the MESH_ROOT as this provide a cleaner set of logs. See test 1 Layer 1 MESH_ROOT 48:ca:43:9b:53:d8 Then power down NODE A on layer 2 NODE B switched from layer 3 to layer 2 and parent from NODE A to MESH_ROOT - perfect Is this valid? It stayed like this for minutes while I wrote this up Then I powered of the MESH_ROOT see test 1 MESH_ROOT line 469. This node 48:ca:43:9b:53:d8 now becomes MESH_NODE and child of Node B. See test 1 Node B.txt line 2038 Remains broken like this indefinitely. |
Sorry, I can't reproduce your issue on my side.
then update the Before scanning, retrieve the current parent information. Finally, within the
You mentioned that you don't want to rebuild the network from scratch, but instead, you want to adjust the initial network formed by the self-organizing process. However, during the actual testing, I've observed that you often call scan at the application layer while the initial network is still being formed, which forcibly interrupts the self-organizing process. So, when you call scan at the application layer, is it completely random? Would it make sense to first check whether the initial network has been fully formed before manually triggering the scan? I believe we must first resolve the issues mentioned in points 3 and 4 before proceeding with further problem analysis. If the initial logic framework isn't properly established, it could lead to a range of unforeseen issues down the line, which would be quite painful for me to handle. |
and function:
I understand this could drop a node up (numerically) one layer, but I think this is acceptable as it is much better to a further layer back with a stronger RSSI from my testing. Do you understand and accept this strategy, at least as far as not causing the broken network issue?
1 You said Would it make sense to first check whether the initial network has been fully formed before manually triggering the scan? What is a suitable test to determine the network is fully formed? |
test 1 mesh root test 1 became 2nd root test 1 became node on layer 5 test 1 node 48ca439b53d8
You said "The function of this scan cannot cover all situations because the judgment criteria are relatively single. Perhaps we can add more judgments?" I suspect the reason you can't reproduce the problem using your modified version of "ip_internal_network" is that you are only looking for new parents on higher layers and so you don't find one to switch to. You raised this with me and your code was only looking for layer -1
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In your last comment, you let
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Hi Thanks for your ongoing work on this. Very much appreciated as I am in deep with this contract.
Can I ask another unrelated question please. |
Yes, the v5.3.2 will contain the fix. (The fix in v5.4 is here). For the
In a self-organized mesh network, if multiple roots are not allowed, when more than one root is created, the two roots will compare their RSSI and capacity values. The one with the better metrics will continue to act as the root, while the other will relinquish its root role and reconnect to the network. |
For the |
hi @michaelsimp , after you set the IDF_path, you can directly build the iot-solution example under iot-solution path, |
Hi I don't think we understand each others position.
Your reference back to a post you made a couple of weeks ago which said
But I am confused as since then I have posted heaps of logs which still show multiple problems with the mesh network when the parent is powered off or rebooted, including:
... result in lock up. My posts continue through to the end of last week and then yesterday you stated
So if the latest update you have made was back before #14720 (comment), You need to understand my problem is most certainly not fixed. Please confirm again if you have more changes since this date. I tried to check the reference fix in v5.4 is here but I cant view them as I just get action not available. (I am not very familiar with GIT). |
You said in the comment that you couldn't understand what this log meant.
Then I replied to you that this log was added to solve the previous crash issue. I quoted my previous comment just to let you know that there have been similar logs before, and this fix has not been updated to GitHub yet, that's all. It has nothing to do with the other issues you reported later !!! |
Ok thanks for clarifying. I didn't understand the context and got excited at the prospects of a fix. |
Can I have an update please. |
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Ok, but I will need to park it and come back as soon as I can. My project is far behind now and I have to make progress in other areas. Please keep this ticket open |
sure. |
Answers checklist.
IDF version.
v5.3.0
Espressif SoC revision.
Chip is ESP32-S3 (QFN56) (revision v0.2)
Operating System used.
Windows
How did you build your project?
VS Code IDE
If you are using Windows, please specify command line type.
PowerShell
Development Kit.
ESP32-S3-WROOM-1
Power Supply used.
USB
What is the expected behavior?
I expect the ESP32 to continue to run the application without crashing when the WIFI Mesh parent disappears.
If the MESH_ROOT was powered off, I expect a MESH_NODE to assume the role of MESH_ROOT
If the WIFI Router is powered off, when I restore it, I expect the mesh network to establish itself
What is the actual behavior?
Steps to reproduce.
Debug Logs.
More Information.
My application integrates a number of IDF example programs including ip_internal_network
I went back to the example project ip_internal_network and built it unmodified, and can reproduce the same problems quite readily.
Also, for when the ESP32 nodes don't completely crash, I would like to know how to restart the Mesh network in software.
I have tried stopping the Mesh network with:
ESP_ERROR_CHECK(esp_mesh_stop());
ESP_ERROR_CHECK(esp_mesh_deinit());
ESP_ERROR_CHECK(mesh_netifs_destroy()); // I have tried with and without this line. Without it, the logs continually report:
I (135746) mesh: mesh is not started
E (00:58:02.547) mesh_netif: Received with err code 16388 ESP_ERR_MESH_NOT_START
I then try to restart the Mesh network with:
/* mesh initialization /
ESP_ERROR_CHECK(esp_mesh_init());
ESP_ERROR_CHECK(esp_mesh_set_max_layer(CONFIG_MESH_MAX_LAYER));
ESP_ERROR_CHECK(esp_mesh_set_vote_percentage(1));
ESP_ERROR_CHECK(esp_mesh_set_ap_assoc_expire(10));
/ set blocking time of esp_mesh_send() to 30s, to prevent the esp_mesh_send() from permanently for some reason /
ESP_ERROR_CHECK(esp_mesh_send_block_time(5000)); // was 30 seconds
mesh_cfg_t cfg = MESH_INIT_CONFIG_DEFAULT();
cfg.crypto_funcs = NULL;
/ mesh ID */
memcpy((uint8_t ) &cfg.mesh_id, MESH_ID, MAC_SIZE);
/ router */
cfg.channel = CONFIG_MESH_CHANNEL;
Doing the above when the system is running normally, often causes the ESP32's to crash with various errors
eg after start, MESH_NODE does a scan and then crashes with Guru Meditation Error: Core 0 panic'ed
I (00:22:02.752) aWifiMesh: <MESH_EVENT_FIND_NETWORK>new channel:8, router BSSID:00:00:00:00:00:00
W (1323864) wifi:adjust channel:1, secondary channel offset:1(40U)
W (1323874) wifi:adjust channel:8, secondary channel offset:1(40U)
I (1324184) mesh: [SCAN][ch:8]AP:2, other(ID:0, RD:0), MAP:1, idle:0, candidate:1, root:1, topMAP:0[c:0,i:0][00:17:13:20:bd:74]router found<>
I (1324184) mesh: 7391[selection]try rssi_threshold:-78, backoff times:0, max:5<-78,-82,-85>
I (1324204) mesh: [DONE]connect to parent:ESPM_3372B8, channel:8, rssi:-14, 30:30:f9:33:72:b9[layer:1, assoc:0], my_vote_num:0/voter_num:0, rc[00:00:00:00:00:00/-120/0]
I (1324214) mesh: set router bssid:00:17:13:20:bd:74
I (1324834) mesh: <MESH_NWK_MIE_CHANGE><><><><><><>
I (1324834) mesh: <MESH_NWK_ROOT_ADDR>from assoc, layer:2, root_addr:30:30:f9:33:72:b9, root_cap:1
I (1324844) mesh: <MESH_NWK_ROOT_ADDR>idle, layer:2, root_addr:30:30:f9:33:72:b9, conflict_roots.num:0<>
I (1324854) mesh: [scan]new scanning time:600ms, beacon interval:300ms
I (00:22:03.744) aWifiMesh: <MESH_EVENT_ROOT_ADDRESS>root address:30:30:f9:33:72:b9
I (1324854) mesh: 2012parent monitor, my layer:2(cap:6)(node), interval:4526ms, retries:1
I (00:22:03.771) aWifiMesh: <MESH_EVENT_PARENT_CONNECTED>layer:2-->2, parent:30:30:f9:33:72:b9, ID:77:77:77:77:77:76
I (00:22:03.785) mesh_netif: It was a wifi station removing stuff
Guru Meditation Error: Core 0 panic'ed (LoadProhibited). Exception was unhandled.
Core 0 register dump:
PC : 0x4212753c PS : 0x00060830 A0 : 0x82127613 A1 : 0x3fcc15d0
A2 : 0xffffffff A3 : 0x00000000 A4 : 0x00000278 A5 : 0x00000001
A6 : 0x3fcc09d0 A7 : 0x00000278 A8 : 0x3c1505e4 A9 : 0x3fcd778c
A10 : 0x3fcc09d0 A11 : 0x00000000 A12 : 0x00000101 A13 : 0x3c1505e4
A14 : 0x00000007 A15 : 0x3fcaa7f4 SAR : 0x00000004 EXCCAUSE: 0x0000001c
EXCVADDR: 0x00000284 LBEG : 0x40056f5c LEND : 0x40056f72 LCOUNT : 0xffffffff
Backtrace: 0x42127539:0x3fcc15d0 0x42127610:0x3fcc1620 0x4037e0aa:0x3fcc1640
I sometimes get MTX task stack overflows too when I try this, same as #13882
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