IrcLog2009 04 08

17:29:35 * garyo-home (n=chatzill@209-6-158-38.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com) has joined #scons 17:29:49 * GregNoel is no longer marked as being away 17:30:33 <GregNoel> Hi, Gary; Steven's not here yet; you've still got some time for the spreadsheet 17:30:50 working on it... 17:31:14 <GregNoel> I've been watching 17:32:35 * stevenknight (n=stevenkn@72.14.224.1) has joined #scons 17:32:56 hola amigos. been a long time since I rapped at ya 17:33:06 :) 17:33:12 Hi Steven. 17:33:15 <GregNoel> Hi, Steven; Gary's about half-way through the spreadsheet 17:33:24 55%! 17:33:25 :-) 17:33:49 <GregNoel> garyo-home, don't bother with the consensus lines; I can get them. 17:34:00 ok 17:34:28 <GregNoel> stevenknight, hablas espanol? 17:34:36 no 17:35:03 <GregNoel> how about jive? 17:35:10 :-) 17:35:12 it's a quote from one of The Onion's "regular columnists" 17:35:24 The druggie one 17:35:25 chump don' want no help, chump don' get no help 17:35:28 <GregNoel> Ah. Never read them, I'm afraid 17:36:13 <GregNoel> anyhoo, should we start? 17:36:21 sure 17:36:25 sure, go ahead 17:36:48 * stevenknight rearranges his windows... 17:37:13 * GregNoel moves to a different screen 17:37:15 * stevenknight ...and curses Mac's click-to-focus 17:37:55 <GregNoel> I can't figure out why Gary's on the spreadsheet twice... 17:38:19 because my laptop's open on the couch. 17:38:43 not any more. 17:37:58 2391: consensus 2.1 p3 stevenknight? 17:38:07 er 17:38:15 2391: consensus 2.1 p2 stevenknight 17:38:48 <GregNoel> yes, consensus, but should we contact David directly? 17:39:16 works for me 17:39:27 yes 17:39:44 <GregNoel> The reason I even mention it is that none of the GSoC students are responding to my entreaties to fix their proposals. 17:40:02 the one i18n guy kind of did 17:40:04 Hm, that's not good. 17:40:17 I've been behind on asking for updates myself. 17:40:22 ditto 17:40:30 <GregNoel> but not to discuss here; we've got too much to do 17:40:34 right 17:40:49 2391: consensu 2.1 p2 ask David, SK as backup 17:40:54 perfect 17:40:58 <GregNoel> done 17:41:10 1632 I'll take 17:41:20 <GregNoel> 1632, consensus 17:41:27 done 17:41:38 2288: consensus 17:41:46 <GregNoel> yep 17:41:45 2288 actually I think we should just close it. 17:42:04 <GregNoel> Hmm... Yeah, I agree. 17:42:13 works for me 17:42:23 2288: close invalid? 17:42:31 <GregNoel> ok, 2388, close worksforme? 17:42:45 worksforme works for me 17:42:54 <GregNoel> my line.... 17:42:52 wfm is ok w' me too 17:43:12 <GregNoel> OK, I'll handle that. next? 17:43:22 2306: consensus anytime p4 +Easy 17:43:32 <GregNoel> sigh, yes 17:43:54 2363: mine 17:44:04 2363: consensus as well 17:44:08 <GregNoel> done 17:44:15 I'll have some airplane time in a week, good time to knock off a few bugs 17:44:20 2370: consensus 17:44:36 <GregNoel> 2370, done 17:44:46 2374: DUP, Greg to figure out specifics 17:44:58 <GregNoel> done 17:45:31 2375: Greg, your call on schedule 17:45:32 2375: 2.1, and add to DeprecatedFeatures 17:45:59 <GregNoel> hmmm... 17:46:38 <GregNoel> Yeah, I'll take care of it 17:47:06 2376: 2.x p3 stevenknight 17:47:17 <GregNoel> done 17:47:30 2377: 2.1 p3 Ludwig,+Easy 17:47:34 <GregNoel> done 17:47:58 <GregNoel> 2379, I think we should ignore the rebuilds 17:47:59 2379: dup 1673, mark 1673 +Easy 17:48:08 agree re: ignore rebuilds 17:48:30 ok then, I'll take it. 17:48:46 <GregNoel> If anyone depends on it, they're sunk anyway; the only ones that would rebuild are those who don't care 17:48:48 (I mean it's a dup) 17:49:16 It'll cause rebuilds for anyone with two CheckLib calls. 17:49:30 But I'm OK w/ that. 17:49:49 <GregNoel> Call it a feature, part of the upgrade to 2.0 17:49:56 It's more autotools-like. 17:50:20 2380: Steven? 17:51:15 2380: 2.1 p3 +Easy 17:51:17 (testcase just stats the files and checks the inodes, Un*x only) 17:51:31 add a note re: needing a test case 17:52:11 i could do it, but it would be good to try to recruit more people to +Easy issues 17:52:16 maybe even the person who filed it 17:53:01 <GregNoel> I'll ask, but I'm not holding my breath. 17:53:08 I'll send out an email to the list recruiting people to fix +Easy issues 17:53:29 <GregNoel> Good idea 17:53:38 <GregNoel> we also need a wiki page about it 17:53:52 With a query like the bug party one? Great idea. 17:53:58 <GregNoel> yep 17:54:04 yes 17:54:04 Can you do that? 17:54:34 <GregNoel> Er, if you were going to write a note, just write a wiki page instead? 17:54:49 OK, I'll do both. I'll look at your existing query for inspiration. 17:55:01 <GregNoel> (I'm a terrible writer, really.) 17:55:36 2381: ask them to try vs_revamp 17:55:46 (what's the vs_revamp status these days anyway?) 17:56:09 languishing... :-( 17:56:18 <GregNoel> (later in the spreadsheet, he mentions that he's about to make a push) 17:56:31 i think i have some time freeing up, though 17:56:44 Hey now. I fixed 1 bug on vs_revamp... 17:56:45 <GregNoel> It's the only thing holding up 1.3... 17:56:48 it's blocking too much stuff 17:56:48 not totally stagnant.. 17:56:56 bdbaddog++ 17:57:49 2381: 1.3 p1 sk, will point them to vs_revamp 17:58:00 <GregNoel> done 17:58:23 2382: 2.x p3 sk 17:58:39 that sounds like the right timeframe to look at VS project generation 17:58:39 good, I had no clue about it (scanner issue or something?) 17:58:48 or reprioritize it relative to the rest of the big 2.x pile 17:59:14 * GregNoel is keeping out of it 17:59:20 no, it's probably just dumping the CPPPATH strings into the .vcproj file 17:59:30 without turning them into Nodes to expand things like '#' 17:59:42 Ok, that would make sense 17:59:17 2383: consensus 17:59:55 <GregNoel> 2383, done 18:00:13 2384: GregNoel is my hero... 18:00:22 one of 'em, anyway 18:01:13 2385: frankly, let's just close as invalid. Enough to do elsewhere. 18:02:17 2385: okay, I can go with that 18:02:21 <GregNoel> I'm in favor of invalid, but Steven has a point 18:02:22 2385: invalid 18:02:39 <GregNoel> done 18:02:40 yeah, but is it really worth the time when it could be spent elsewhere? 18:02:47 'zactly. 18:03:03 2386: invalid 18:03:12 yes 18:03:14 mention that he should explicitly do these once in a base Environment instance 18:03:32 and then propagate that to the SConscript files that use it for the variants 18:03:39 i can update 18:03:47 great 18:03:52 <GregNoel> done 18:04:10 2387: 2.1 p2 +Easy 18:04:35 <GregNoel> who? 18:05:02 <GregNoel> garyo-home, AppendUnique is a good idea.. 18:05:40 sure, but the patch as is is fine too (and a bit faster) 18:05:55 <GregNoel> good point 18:06:23 I could do it with the OP checking the result if time permits 18:06:33 <GregNoel> Still need a sucke, ah, volunteer 18:06:36 Or save it as a +Easy 18:06:46 what tools needed to test? 18:07:06 dmd, I guess? 18:07:05 how about we just put it in? 18:07:08 DMD is kind of a niche 18:07:30 if it does break someone it'll be readily identifiable and correctable 18:07:32 steven: I've done that before, never had any trouble from it 18:07:49 <GregNoel> does it need a test? 18:07:54 no 18:08:07 for niche Tool modules like this we tend to go with their flow 18:08:10 <GregNoel> OK, I'm fine with Gary doing that, then. 18:08:11 or at least we've done that in the past 18:08:13 yes, but I think that's easy too, just see how many times it appears on the cmd line 18:08:28 if you want to add a test, feel free 18:08:31 :-) 18:08:42 but i think the time's better spent elsewhere 18:08:51 hm, good point. 18:08:58 5 min vs 45 min. 18:09:05 (no test vs. test) 18:09:08 right 18:09:02 <GregNoel> right; 2.1 p2, gary, +Easy 18:09:02 2387: 2.1 p2 garyo to integrate 18:09:11 done 18:09:13 <GregNoel> done 18:09:14 2388: invalid 18:09:20 <GregNoel> done 18:09:33 2389: doc, i'll volunteer 18:09:39 great 18:09:59 <GregNoel> done 18:09:46 2387 I can take if you want, does it need to wait til 2.1? 18:10:02 No, anytime is fine! 18:10:12 Thanks! 18:10:19 okay, 2387: 2.1 p2 bdbaddog +Easy 18:10:23 cool, thanks 18:10:27 <GregNoel> done 18:10:52 2390: worksfor me 18:11:15 <GregNoel> done 18:11:42 2392 is another vs_revamp one 18:12:15 <GregNoel> 2392, 1.3 p1 sk +VS 18:12:19 done 18:12:24 excellent work 18:12:25 whew! 18:12:43 <GregNoel> I'm surprised we got through all of them so quickly 18:12:44 and I still have a few minutes before shuttle stop 18:12:50 lotta consensus in the pre-work 18:12:54 next week same time, right? 18:12:59 <GregNoel> yes 18:13:01 yes 18:13:45 <GregNoel> Although it's a bit early, I'm still under the weather (as you can tell from my typing) so I'm willing to stop here. 18:14:02 Greg: I need sleep too. 18:14:30 <GregNoel> What's that? I've only been sleeping 20 hours a day, and I'm still tired. 18:14:56 Greg: ouch, do you have that sore-throat+exhaustion thing that's going around on the east coast? 18:16:35 <GregNoel> garyo-home, no, the 24-hour stomach horror that's lasted three days 18:16:55 Greg: sorry to hear that. 18:17:03 I'll sign off now, c u all later 18:17:05 hope you're both feeling better 18:17:10 see you next week 18:17:31 <GregNoel> cul, bye 18:17:41 l8r 18:17:48 * stevenknight has quit ("Leaving") 18:18:23 * GregNoel has been marked as being away 18:38:43 * garyo-home has quit ("ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.8/2009032609]")