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Proportional reward scheme for data transfers #31
Proportional reward scheme for data transfers #31
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EDIT: I've scrapped the first part of my change. After discussion in the Discord #hip channel, it has become clear that this would create an undesirable ~50/50 split between PoC and securities if DC rewards were not claimed. The below portion still stands. I propose this change along with changing the current HIP proposal to 1:1 DC to HNT reward ratio. This makes arbitrage impossible. I believe that if the goal of arbitrage is to encourage network usage in hopes of DC burn/deflation, then my proposed change accomplishes that in a cleaner way, without the in-between period where a bunch of people waste time and creative energy building sensor farms for arbitrage. Another massive benefit of 1:1 is that if there's no arbitrage, there will be no incentive to push packets for pure arbitrage purposes. This means that it will always be possible to know the exact real network usage, as no actor will pay to use the network if it does not support a real use case. |
Some people are concerned about the incentive to add new hotpots to the network. Specifically, hotspot owners need to be able to make their initial investment back in order for it to be viable for them to buy in. I like rawrman's proposal but think it might be interesting to give a "sign-up" bonus to new hotspots. i.e. If there aren't enough DC transactions to warrant a full 32% of newly minted HNT, then some proportion of the remainder be prioritized in allocation as a bonus to new hotspots for their PoC challenges. Once the hotspot has witnessed N challenges, it becomes ineligible for participating in the bonus structure. By definition, this bonus would only exist so long as there aren't sufficient DC transactions. This would also show that the team is promoting the interests of new adopters. One concern is that this might create an incentive to just add a new mining node once the bonus is gone- but that isn't necessarily a bad thing as the is no competing incentive to take down old nodes so long as they are still productive. I'm not sure this should be considered as part of the immediate solution to the arbitrage problem at hand. I haven't thought through all the competing incentives but it is worth considering as a longer term change to the mining distribution. |
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I like this mechanism in the short term because it rewards hotspots that transfer real value while also continuing to incentivize coverage growth.
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Rebased and ready for merge as a Discussion phase (which has already started). |
As an early adopter of Helium, I am opposed to this proposed change. The network is entering a new phase, the focus needs to be around building value off real-world use cases, not over-compensating hotspot owners for providing coverage. As business users begin to adopt Helium, having 90% coverage in a larger geographic region is worse than having 100% coverage in a smaller region. Anyone who owns a smartphone should intuitively understand this - you want great service where you are most often and will settle for poorer service in areas that are less important to you. Basing rewards off actual work done for the network incentivizes the deployment of new hotspots around the business use case centers. As hard as it is to hear, value is created in population centers with density. 10% of the United State's entire GDP comes from New York/Newark, in spite of being 0.3% of its landmass. As far as I see it, I have two proposals
There's a lot of bad-faith arguments that talk about gaming DCs as the problem when in reality those users are complaining about a reduction in rewards. These are two separate issues and should not be conflated. |
I support the proposal to make arbitrage unprofitable, however, I echo the sentiments of some that are trying to actually grow the network. There are many large cities in the US that still have not had significant penetration, and the recent changes to rewards allocations completely removes the incentive to enter new markets. The minimum investment effectively becomes 3 hotspots instead of 1 to have any hope of making back your investment. That said, any investment does carry risk, and it is fair to assume hotspot owners will carry most of that risk. However, if the risk is too high, network growth will be slow and difficult. I proposed an amendment to this HIP (see HIP 12) that does the following:
Eligibility: During a Rewards Month, a hotspot is eligible for a bonus as follows:
Payout: The Rewards Month Pool will be allocated as follows:
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Here's a proposal for a proportional reward scheme for data transfers based on conversations I've had with folks around the community.
Rendered view: https://github.com/helium/HIP/pull/31/files#diff-e355d9a98c1cc82cb2057ba677307e15