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Remove BetterMeower PFPs #107

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JoshAtticus opened this issue Mar 17, 2023 · 95 comments
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Remove BetterMeower PFPs #107

JoshAtticus opened this issue Mar 17, 2023 · 95 comments

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@JoshAtticus
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Is your question related to a problem? Please describe.
No, permission to add BetterMeower pfps to Meower Svelte was given to Bloctans, but only to be viewed, not to be made selectable. Seeing BetterMeower isn't currently active, they should be removed.

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If these have already been implemented and some users have BetterMeower PFPs, we shouldn't remove them just because BetterMeower isn't active as a project

@williamhorning williamhorning added invalid This doesn't seem right low priority labels Mar 17, 2023
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Well there was never permission to add them in a way that makes them selectable.

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The BetterMeower PFPs were meant to be part of BetterMeower, not to be added to Meower Svelte.

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and some users have BetterMeower PFPs,

Just remove them from the PFP picker

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tnix100 commented Mar 17, 2023

"permission to add BetterMeower pfps to Meower Svelte was given to Bloctans, but only to be viewed"

That's granting permission to use the assets. We haven't taken any code that makes the profile pictures able to be selected, so this issue is invalid.

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tnix100 commented Mar 17, 2023

Whoops, accidentally closed.

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JoshAtticus commented Mar 17, 2023

"permission to add BetterMeower pfps to Meower Svelte was given to Bloctans, but only to be viewed"

That's granting permission to use the assets. We haven't taken any code that makes the profile pictures able to be selected, so this issue is invalid.

Permission to use the assets for a certain use case. The assets were not used in this use case. The use case being only allow the PFPs to be viewed, not selected from the PFP picker by Meower Svelte users.

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tnix100 commented Mar 17, 2023

What are the assets of BetterMeower licensed under?

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JoshAtticus commented Mar 17, 2023

What are the assets of BetterMeower licensed under?

All rights reserved, because they were from before BetterMeower switched to MIT, which only applied to its code. Bloctans asked for permission and I granted permission for the said use case.

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tnix100 commented Mar 17, 2023

What are the assets of BetterMeower licensed under?

All rights reserved, because they were from before BetterMeower switched to MIT, which only applied to its code. Bloctans asked for permission and I granted permission for the said use case.

Alright, can you please provide evidence that it was agreed-upon to only allow them to be viewable and not selectable?

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What are the assets of BetterMeower licensed under?

All rights reserved, because they were from before BetterMeower switched to MIT, which only applied to its code. Bloctans asked for permission and I granted permission for the said use case.

Alright, can you please provide evidence that it was agreed-upon to only allow them to be viewable and not selectable?

Part of it: https://github.com/meower-media-co/Meower-Svelte/blob/develop/blocs%20todo.txt#:~:text=%2D%20Bettermeower%20pfp%20support

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The rest was in a BetterMeower github issue

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and in a gc on my old meower account (deleted)

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tnix100 commented Mar 17, 2023

It just says "- Bettermeower pfp support", that doesn't give any agreed-upon terms. Please link the GitHub issue you're talking about.

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It just says "- Bettermeower pfp support", that doesn't give any agreed-upon terms. Please link the GitHub issue you're talking about.

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It just says "- Bettermeower pfp support", that doesn't give any agreed-upon terms. Please link the GitHub issue you're talking about.

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tnix100 commented Mar 17, 2023

These are the only BetterMeower pfps that are selectable in Meower Svelte right now.
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Tux and dango aren't yours, so we're not going to remove or give credit for them.
I'm still waiting on a reply from Mike to explain how Meowy (the mascot) is licensed.

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These are the only BetterMeower pfps that are selectable in Meower Svelte right now. image

Tux and dango aren't yours, so we're not going to remove or give credit for them. I'm still waiting on a reply from Mike to explain how Meowy (the mascot) is licensed.

MD made all of those

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can we just remove them
i literally was just jealous

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tnix100 commented Mar 17, 2023

These are the only BetterMeower pfps that are selectable in Meower Svelte right now. image
Tux and dango aren't yours, so we're not going to remove or give credit for them. I'm still waiting on a reply from Mike to explain how Meowy (the mascot) is licensed.

MD made all of those

So are they licensed to BetterMeower or MD?

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tnix100 commented Mar 17, 2023

can we just remove them i literally was just jealous

It'll cause a mess with the code, so if there's no need to remove them, then we're not removing them.

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These are the only BetterMeower pfps that are selectable in Meower Svelte right now. image
Tux and dango aren't yours, so we're not going to remove or give credit for them. I'm still waiting on a reply from Mike to explain how Meowy (the mascot) is licensed.

MD made all of those

So are they licensed to BetterMeower or MD?

Created by MD, but transferred to BetterMeower

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Arrow hasn't actually contributed anything to BetterMeower

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tnix100 commented Mar 17, 2023

Arrow hasn't actually contributed anything to BetterMeower

You said everyone in the org is a copyright holder, so that still stands valid even if they haven't contributed.

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Ok, so?

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Yep, just exploit every person in BetterMeower org to try and get someone to give license to Meower

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tnix100 commented Mar 17, 2023

Don't ping random people here, it's not really needed

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Even though the BetterMeower pfps are a variation of Meower's PFPs, they are still our (as in BetterMeower's) property. Sure, you can go ahead and make your own recoloured Meowys, but you can't use ours, at least if you don't want DMCA.

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Heck if you wanted to keep it the same and make our ones pointless, you could make it one colour shade off, so they are basically identical, but not identical.

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Even though the BetterMeower pfps are a variation of Meower's PFPs, they are still our (as in BetterMeower's) property. Sure, you can go ahead and make your own recoloured Meowys, but you can't use ours, at least if you don't want DMCA.

and then be gone urself, also im not helping you with bm now

Alright, I don't need help, and no, I can't fight a case by not fighting a case, ignorance does not lead to action... usually.

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As was said, if you wanted this to not happen, the bm pfps could have used (getting)

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also i deleted that cuz i took it back

@JoshAtticus
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It would be best if this didn't happen, but this is breach of copyright laws.

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#71 (comment)

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tnix100 commented Mar 17, 2023

It would be best if this didn't happen, but this is breach of copyright laws.

If it's that big of a deal, then don't do it on GitHub issues. support@meower.org or dmca@meower.org is the correct place to contact us.

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It wasn't originally going to be this, you caused this esculation.

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All I wanted was peaceful cooperation, but instead you decided to be entitled to copyright you didn't own for a fair use variation.

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I will close my issue as not planned for now, but if the BetterMeower PFPs aren't removed from Meower Svelte, or made non-selectable by 28 March 2023 (10 days from now), I will be sending an email to dmca@meower.org, or submitting a DMCA takedown if that doesn't do anything.

@JoshAtticus JoshAtticus closed this as not planned Won't fix, can't repro, duplicate, stale Mar 17, 2023
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tnix100 commented Mar 17, 2023

All I wanted was peaceful cooperation, but instead you decided to be entitled to copyright you didn't own for a fair use variation.

Look, I don't own the rights to Meowy and Mike hasn't given me a definitive answer. This is also not the correct place to talk about copyright (everyone else for copyright complaints has gone to support@meower.org, dmca@meower.org also works too). I am going to close this issue now and ask you to email us on support@meower.org or dmca@meower.org.

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the only way for them to be non selectable is if you agree for the ids to be changed to ^1000

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#71 (comment)

as per this

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the only way for them to be non selectable is if you agree for the ids to be changed to ^1000

There are no PFPs higher than the BetterMeower ones currently. Another alternative would also be to flat out remove them.

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MikeDev101 commented Mar 18, 2023

To prevent escalation of conflict, I order all parties involved to cease further discussion, and I order members of the Svelte client to honor this request. Please don't make this a bigger issue than it needs to be.

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On the discussion of IP regarding Meowy's usage, it is a mascot of the Meower Media organization. By our very nature, we strive to be an open community. Meowy is a fair-use IP, as long as its usage doesn't harm the Meower Media brand. Since the BM team created a derivative work of Meowy, they have full rights to the distribution of their modified Meowy.

To prevent issues relating to our IP in the future, Meowy is an IP of Meower Media licensed with CC BY-SA 4.0. BM and its members are completely free to modify and share their modified Meowy, and we will honor their rights to how they share their works.

I do request that BM and all parties of Meower Media (including myself) should note that Meowy is a licensed work of MM.

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MikeDev101 commented Mar 18, 2023

Update: It would be to our best benefit to use CC BY-NC-SA 4.0 instead.

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