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[material-ui][docs] Create ADA compliance documentation #14187
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We are doing our best to make Material-UI accessible, following the WCAG guideline. Now, we have never passed or tried to pass the ADA certification. Could you find any specific problem? |
@oliviertassinari Thanks for the fast reply. I have definitely noticed attention to following the WCAG guideline within the Material UI codebase. There is no specific problem, just a desire to share a documentation link with my employer covering a high-level overview of Material UI's compliance with the WCAG guideline. I imagine this could be useful for others as well. |
Today I learned from our accessibility expert that most big companies publish a Basically it just provides a date and lists all of the known issues against the success criteria. This VPAT is old and newer products would use the 38 success criteria in WCAG-2.0. Maybe an actionable item of this issue would be to create a WCAG-2 VPAT for MUI? |
It would be more helpful to have a checklist against we can verify our components. Knowing unknown issues is somewhat harder than verifying that something is working. Many of those guidelines are not really actionable for us since we can't always verify what DOM attributes have to be set and where. Maybe we can improve/document integration with |
I'm actually in the process of reviewing MUI for WCAG 2.0 AA as we speak. Mostly notating aria and role. After that I plan to go to each component and see what's missing from compliance. I'd be interested in contributing to this if we can figure out an acceptable documentation process. For clarity, ADA does not have a web/interactive compliance. It does however state
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We already have an accessibility section in some demo pages, so it would be good to have consistent documentation across the board as to what accessibility MUI provides out of the box, and which ones the developer needs to address. We do show this in the examples, but it would be good to call it out explicitly. |
Hello! I'm really glad to join this thread about ADA. I found great article about WCAG & ADA web compliance. If you want you can read it and share your thoughts after reading. Hope you like it! Because I found it really useful. |
Does anyone know an audit accessibility company that could audit all our components for the ADA compliance? Bonus point if the company can sponsor it for a popular OSS project. |
We've been using https://www.powermapper.com/buy/all/sortsite/
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Does anyone know an audit accessibility company that could audit all our
components for the ADA compliance? Bonus point if they can sponsor it for a
popular OSS project.
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@bramick I'm looking for manual tests. |
This might be a good one to reach out to: https://accessible360.com/
Michele Landis looks like a good member to reach out to.
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Or perhaps https://www.linkedin.com/in/connor-born-b8738328/
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This might be a good one to reach out to: https://accessible360.com/
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Going to dedicate part of the next week to this which will include:
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Our components won't meet WCAG by default. The look&feel are more important (see #22541). It's not viable to document all possible techniques to makes the components meet WCAG 2.1. We'll revisit this in the future once we have the bandwidth for it. |
@oliviertassinari Did you change your mind after #22541? Could you explain why you want to follow ADA but not WCAG? |
@eps1lon From what I understand this issue is about providing a list of all the known issues around accessibility. With such a list, developers can then evaluate each component and decide if they want to use it or not, individually. With a comprehensive list, we could then prioritize work on the most important items. So I think this should stay open until we can provide a comprehensive list. I think it's where an a11y audit with severity for each failure would help a lot. I would be leaning toward doing both an internal and external audit. Regarding the Rating, I believe that by using different shapes (in addition to the different existing colors) we can address 1.4.1: #22554. Can somebody confirm that ADA compliance is reached with the AA level of WCAG 2.1? Regarding the look & feel, I don't think that great looking application makes it impossible to have them accessible. However, it makes it harder, and I don't t think that it's something we should trade. |
ADA recommends WCAG AA 2.0... (note 2.1 is now out)
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@eps1lon <https://github.com/eps1lon> From what I understand this issue
is about providing a list of all the known issues around accessibility.
With a comprehensive list, we could then prioritize work on the most
important items. With such a list, developers can then evaluate each
component and decide if they want to use it or not, individually. So I
think this should stay open until we can provide a comprehensive list. I
think it's where an a11y audit with severity for each failure would help a
lot. I would be leaning toward doing both an internal and external audit.
Regarding the Rating, I believe that by using different shapes (in
addition to the different existing colors) we can address 1.4.1: #22554
<#22554>.
Can somebody confirm that ADA compliance is reached with the AA level of
WCAG?
Regarding the look & feel, I don't think that great looking application
makes it impossible to have them accessible. However, it makes it harder,
and I don't t think that it's something we should trade.
Why? Because it seems that most product teams make
<https://material-ui.com/blog/2020-developer-survey-results/#6-what-are-your-key-criteria-when-choosing-a-ui-library>
the same tradeoff. If Material-UI isn't used, whatever advancement we bring
to the a11y won't have as much impact as it could have.
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A benchmark of the type of outcome we can expect from this issue:
Note that I could only find that on paid UI libraries, and considering we are pushing in this direction, it makes sense to move forward on this issue too. In the public roadmap, we have an item on this matter. Out of this benchmark, I would propose the following plan:
@josgraha J.P. Morgan has been proposing to help on this, do you know if there is any development? |
I will look into it and report back here what (if anything) has evolved from a MUI centric effort. Soon after my post here the focus shifted to feature based compliance which makes more sense and closing gaps with middleware (internal api library) which can also be faulted for being too opaque and breaking a11y features supported by MUI. Another downside to the middleware approach is the massive version gap (major versions behind). The biggest issues we found in our own features where the following
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Just seeing this because I was tagged, but:
I believe this is a mistake. NVDA has gained significant market adoption in the past several years. This survey by WebAIM was in 2019 and showed NVDA actually overtaking JAWS for the #1 spot. https://webaim.org/projects/screenreadersurvey8/ NVDA is available for free. It is very much worth getting a JAWS license and testing on both platforms if at all possible, given their large user base. |
It really does need to be tested by someone who uses these tools on a daily basis though. Getting a license isn't necessarily the issue, it's having the experience to know whether the output "makes sense" to a regular screen reader user. |
Would a11y audits be performed for both styled and unstyled components (something to consider as v5 is being planned)? |
My problem is that this is a one-year license that I still don't even know how to get in Germany. After that you're stuck with an older version. I don't know how upgrades are handled by actual users. Do they upgrade every year? Every 5 years? If almost everybody is on the latest version then how useful is testing for 1-2 year old versions?
While I agree with that generally I don't think you need it for component testing. Most of SR related bugs are components flat out not working. For testing UI itself app devs are responsible. We're also not testing usability of our components with actual users.
Styled for now. For unstyled we first would need to determine what kind of properties we want to audit. For example, it wouldn't make much sense to audit "use of color" for the unstyled variant since the color is most certainly changed when people use the unstyled variant. |
FWIW I think unstyled components are likely more a11y compliant than styled because the contrast ratio doesn't come into play (just user defaults) and fewer edge cases to worry about wrt specificity for user defined styles (at least from a component level standpoint, granted the intended use case is for application defined styles and not so much user but from an opt-in perspective, supports user defined better) |
Sure but what is an audited component worth if it's never used in its default state? Styled components are much more likely to be used as-is or with little changes. We're not choosing the version that is more likely to pass but the version where an audit is useful to the end-user. |
It would go a long way to help pitch Material UI as a solution if I could link to documentation covering the library's support for ADA compliance.
I know Material UI does have at least some support for ADA/WCAG compliance, for instance through the use of "aria-" and "role" html attributes throughout the codebase to assist screen readers and the support for keyboard navigation such as in the Select component.
Meanwhile, Material Design itself seems to lend itself nicely to following the WCAG guideline, for instance with regards to readability, navigation and high contrast text.
However, without being a core contributor myself, I cannot speak to the library's compliance overall. I searched the material-ui.com website as well as past/present GitHub tickets and could not find a page in the documentation whose sole purpose was to outline what it does and does not do to be ADA compliant. Therefore, I am opening this ticket as a feature request to please create said documentation.
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