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+# Node.js Technical Steering Committee (TSC) Meeting 2024-09-18
+
+## Links
+
+* **Recording**:  <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxDQPQWQGEo>
+* **GitHub Issue**: <https://github.com/nodejs/TSC/issues/1619>
+
+## Present
+
+* Antoine du Hamel @aduh95 (voting member)
+* Ruben Bridgewater @BridgeAR (voting member)
+* Gireesh Punathil @gireeshpunathil (voting member)
+* Joyee Cheung @joyeecheung (voting member)
+* Chengzhong Wu @legendecas (voting member)
+* Marco Ippolito @marco-ippolito (voting member)
+* Matteo Collina @mcollina (voting member)
+* Michael Dawson @mhdawson (voting member)
+* Moshe Atlow @MoLow (voting member)
+* Richard Lau @richardlau (voting member)
+* Paolo Insogna @ShogunPanda (voting member)
+* Guy Bedford (Guest)
+
+## Agenda
+
+### Announcements
+
+* Marco, survey open for collaborators, please complete
+* Richard, Rafael released - 22.9.0
+* Matteo, there is a registration for if you are planning to go to the collaborator summit. Mandatory  because we need it for planning, if you don’t fill in you don’t eat. <https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSfQoFoTSu_M1TTxy1LbPloxsKr6b9rAa3H96VGZAZHuZQRiyw/viewform?usp=send_form>
+
+### Reminders
+
+* Remember to nominate people for the [contributor spotlight](https://github.com/nodejs/node/blob/main/doc/contributing/reconizing-contributors.md#bi-monthly-contributor-spotlight)
+
+### CPC and Board Meeting Updates
+
+*Extracted from **tsc-agenda** labeled issues and pull requests from the **nodejs org** prior to the meeting.
+
+* Matteo, board meeting is at end of next week. No updates right now
+* Biggest, thing to mention, Chris Williams donated JSConf trademark to the OpenJS
+  foundation, this means the conf next year should be JSConf. Great that it’s coming back
+  * Joyee, do we have any idea as when it might be, for collaborator summit colocation
+  * Matteo, we should know the date/time soon as you need 9-12 months to book a venue.
+    Will be in NA.
+* Express is moving along again, recently addressed a number of CVEs
+  * Also published V5 but not yet tagged as latest
+* Webpack is establishing new governance and getting from fresh blood.
+
+### nodejs/node
+
+* module: support __cjsUnwrapDefault interop flag in require(esm) [#54563](https://github.com/nodejs/node/pull/54563)
+  * Guy, not too many comments since last week
+  * Joyee, still coming down to 2 options and don’t seem to have a way to resolve
+    * propose that we have a vote, no objections from the 12
+    * Joyee will volunteer to open the vote issue
+
+### nodejs/TSC
+
+* Let's talk about the CI situation [#1614](https://github.com/nodejs/TSC/issues/1614)
+  * Michael, most pain has been removed, by mass marking tests as flaky
+  * Joyee, people are kind of trying to “pretend there is no problem”, we’ve had a few cycles of
+    this and not a great long term solution.
+  * Marco, is it even possible to use some funds to have people work on fixing the flaky tests
+    * Michael, if we go $ from Herodevs seems like a good place to invest to me.
+  * Gireesh, used to spend some time to help, but have not had time recently
+    * what is the cause, tests less robust ?
+    * Joyee, good number are likely caused by V8 drain task bug
+    * 50/50 in terms of actual bugs and tests not being good
+  * Marco, from what I can tell, will be hard to do anything until we have funding, due to lack of volunteers.
+  * Michael, unless we can find a team of people to work together then using fundings
+  * Matteo, issue is that often that with flaky tests they it is on platforms that may not be
+    developers usual platform.
+  * Joyee, watch tests are flaky on multiple platforms but also on Windows, most tests that fail on
+    a particular platform are generally just easier to reproduce on those platforms.
+    * also require some access.
+    * would be good for people who watch platforms (like AIX) look for flakes, but AIX is not really
+      the project
+  * Michael, any objections/concerns with using $ if we have some to pay some people to
+    * No objections
+  * Joyee will need to define what the objectives
+  * Marco, in terms of existing funds in the security bug bounty, best to leave that in case we
+    have urgent security work that is needed. We also should handle any investment as a longer
+    term effort.
+  * Matteo, don’t think we should use the existing bounty $, or use bounty approach. Should
+    have proposal were we hire somebody more long term
+  * Michael, agree that we don’t use bug bounty and should hire resource longer term
+  * Marco, windows arm64 is a common problem
+  * Ruben, agree maybe we should invest in machines as timeout seem machine related.
+  * Joyee, many of the timeouts are likely the V8 bug not the machine itself.
+  * Richard, machines are donated, in many cases in the tests a machine is only running one
+    time at a time, parallel tests run in parallel, but increasing machine size will just run more in
+    parallel.
+  * Ruben if we want to spend $ to improve things then maybe spend $ on the build front
+    * Richard, not convinced that it will help.
+  * Michael the fact that marking a bunch of tests as flaky improved getting the CI to complete
+    says to me that it is the tests, not the machines that were the problem.
+  * Richard, no macos testing in Jenkins, all that we have right now is ARM in GitHub
+    * there is a migration,
+  * Joyee, people or funded, and resources need are lined up for OSX
+    * Michael, resources lined up with MacStadium and volunteers and Linux LFX
+      resources are working on it
+    * Joyee, we are covered for osx stuff, and we really need to get resource to help with flaky
+      tests and larger machines.
+    * Richard not convinced that larger machines will make a difference
+    * Michael, don’t think there is anybody in the build WG that believe that machines are too small and causing the test issues
+    * Joyee, as far as I can see, adding more machines won’t help.
+
+## Strategic Initiatives
+
+## Upcoming Meetings
+
+* **Node.js Project Calendar**: <https://nodejs.org/calendar>
+
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