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| # Node Foundation CTC Meeting 2016-09-07 | ||
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| ## Links | ||
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| * **Audio Recording**: TBP | ||
| * **GitHub Issue**: [#8425](https://github.com/nodejs/node/issues/8425) | ||
| * **Minutes Google Doc**: <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1GRgBC5Dv5luqlRc6egtxmkrQULJXa3M3CqGqWfoogV8> | ||
| * _Previous Minutes Google Doc_: <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1qYUOfiiytaZ0-YZVZ1NZX9O-4SE28QNooapOdcjlPqA> | ||
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| ## Present | ||
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| * Anna Henningsen @addaleax (CTC) | ||
| * Bradley Meck @bmeck (observer/GoDaddy/TC39) | ||
| * Сковорода Никита Андреевич @ChALkeR (CTC) | ||
| * Evan Lucas @evanlucas (CTC) | ||
| * Jeremiah Senkpiel @Fishrock123 (CTC) | ||
| * Tracy Hinds @hackygolucky (observer/Node.js Foundation) | ||
| * Josh Gavant @joshgav (observer/Microsoft) | ||
| * Michael Dawson @mhdawson (CTC) | ||
| * Julien Gilli @misterdjules (CTC) | ||
| * Ali Ijaz Sheikh @ofrobots (CTC) | ||
| * Rod Vagg @rvagg (CTC) | ||
| * Seth Thompson @s3ththompson (observer/Google) | ||
| * Steven R Loomis @srl295 (observer/IBM/ICU) | ||
| * Myles Borins @TheAlphaNerd (CTC) | ||
| * Trevor Norris @trevnorris (CTC) | ||
| * Rich Trott @Trott (CTC) | ||
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| ## Standup | ||
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| * Anna Henningsen @addaleax (CTC) | ||
| * Issues & PR review | ||
| * Bradley Meck @bmeck (observer/GoDaddy/TC39) | ||
| * Just emails around modules | ||
| * Сковорода Никита Андреевич @ChALkeR (CTC) | ||
| * Some private ecosystem things | ||
| * Evan Lucas @evanlucas (CTC) | ||
| * opened PR for adding back --harmony-proxies flag, not much else | ||
| * Jeremiah Senkpiel @Fishrock123 (CTC) | ||
| * Working on v6.6.0 | ||
| * issue & PRs, Async_Wrap review, some Timers PRs. | ||
| * Fedor Indutny @indutny (CTC) | ||
| * Reviewing PRs & Fixing bugs (sorry for not joining you today) | ||
| * Josh Gavant @joshgav (observer/Microsoft) | ||
| * Issues and PRs | ||
| * Michael Dawson @mhdawson (CTC) | ||
| * Investigating and PRs to move AIX to green in CI | ||
| * Migration to new set of PPC machines | ||
| * Addition of linuxOne to nightlies | ||
| * Moved API work to nodejs/abi-stable-nodenodejs/abi-stable-node-addons-examples | ||
| * presentations for Node Interactive EU | ||
| * Brian White @mscdex (CTC) | ||
| * Worked on finding improvements in http code | ||
| * Commented on issues, reviewed PRs | ||
| * Ali Ijaz Sheikh @ofrobots (CTC) | ||
| * Wrangle some V8 backports. | ||
| * Looking at performance w/ new ignition interpreter | ||
| * Rod Vagg @rvagg (CTC) | ||
| * Raspberry Pi cluster hardware problems, blog post | ||
| * Seth Thompson @s3ththompson (observer/Google) | ||
| * V8 team working on Ignition interpreter and V8 Inspector migration | ||
| * Steven R Loomis @srl295 (observer/IBM/ICU) | ||
| * PRs. | ||
| * Myles Borins @TheAlphaNerd (CTC) | ||
| * Auditing commits for v4.x | ||
| * Modifying output of testrunner | ||
| * preparing for interactive EU | ||
| * Trevor Norris @trevnorris (CTC) | ||
| * AsyncHook (formerly known as AsyncWrap); update embedder API to improve performance | ||
| * Rich Trott @Trott (CTC) | ||
| * Backporting a few small commits to v4.x | ||
| * Updating Build and Onboarding docs based on contributor mentoring and onboarding activities | ||
| * A few test PRs designed to increase test coverage | ||
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| ## Agenda | ||
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| Extracted from **ctc-agenda** labelled issues and pull requests from the **nodejs org** prior to the meeting. | ||
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| ### nodejs/node | ||
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| * src: add no-op for --harmony-proxies flag [#8395](https://github.com/nodejs/node/pull/8395) | ||
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| ### nodejs/node-eps | ||
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| * AsyncWrap public API proposal [#18](https://github.com/nodejs/node-eps/pull/18) | ||
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| ## Previous Meeting Review | ||
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| * Process for determining supported platforms [#8265](https://github.com/nodejs/node/issues/8265) | ||
| * Build WG will prepare initial list of supported platforms in their next meeting. | ||
| * Then CTC will review and decide next steps. | ||
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| * child_process, win: fix shell spawn with AutoRun [#8063](https://github.com/nodejs/node/pull/8063) | ||
| * Remove from CTC agenda. | ||
| * @joshgav to check for opinions within Microsoft. | ||
| * Ask @joaocgreis in GitHub for more explanation. | ||
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| * fs: undeprecate existsSync; use access instead of stat for performance [#7455](https://github.com/nodejs/node/pull/7455) | ||
| * @trott to ping nodejs/collaborators in that thread. If no response then [fix]. | ||
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| * doc: add Google Analytics tracking. [#6601](https://github.com/nodejs/node/pull/6601) | ||
| * Merge! | ||
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| * Introduce staging branch for stable release streams [#6306](https://github.com/nodejs/node/issues/6306) | ||
| * Do this as proposed. | ||
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| * Move ecosystem detection tool to nodejs org [#7935](https://github.com/nodejs/node/issues/7935) | ||
| * Prep repo for migration. | ||
| * Open issue in nodejs/tsc. | ||
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| * AsyncWrap public API proposal [#18](https://github.com/nodejs/node-eps/pull/18) | ||
| * Trevor to update all code and ask for vote on specific item(s). | ||
| * CTC to review again once complete. | ||
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| ## Minutes | ||
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| ### src: add no-op for --harmony-proxies flag [#8395](https://github.com/nodejs/node/pull/8395) | ||
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| We upgraded to V8 5.1 in v6.5. That removed several flags, notably the --harmony-* flags. Many in the ecosystem have hard-coded these flags and as a result are getting errors since v6.5. | ||
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| @evanlucas added a PR to no-op those flags. There was quite a bit of resistance to that, as it implies that we apply semver semantics to experimental features. | ||
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| @addaleax: Does anyone have concrete reason to not no-op these flags? | ||
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| @trott: For clarity, do we mean to no-op them till the next semver-major release? | ||
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| @addaleax: Yes. | ||
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| @Fishrock123: This would only ever land in v6. | ||
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| @evanlucas: Some feel this should be floated on V8. | ||
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| @trevnorris: Could they? | ||
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| @ofrobots: Trivial to do it, but this is on 5.1 which is an abandoned upstream. | ||
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| @trevnorris: We were told we could re-open abandoned branches? | ||
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| @ofrobots: That’s correct. | ||
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| @? : Were the flags removed because their behavior is V8's default? | ||
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| @ofrobots: Yes, support was already there but flags had not yet been removed. | ||
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| @? : Other flags were removed too. | ||
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| @addaleax: Main issue is the --harmony flags, I haven’t seen the other flags as issues. | ||
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| @ofrobots: I’m supportive of adding no-ops for --harmony flags cause they break the ecosystem. Others no. | ||
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| @Fishrock123: What about strong mode flags? | ||
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| @ofrobots: Mainstream users are not likely to be using strong mode flags. | ||
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| @ofrobots: The ones recommended as no-ops I agree should be added back as no-ops. | ||
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| @rvagg: We can adopt a new policy if we want, for example state that when we upgrade V8 flags may change and you have to do feature detection to address that. | ||
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| @addaleax: Seems to be that’s what some people want in comments, but it seems that it might not be what people expect. | ||
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| @rvagg: Many flags unlikely to be used in real code, but some may be used in production code. Ones that are potentially usable in production code, sure. | ||
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| @trevnorris: Let’s re-add the no-ops and see if people raise issues about the others. | ||
| It would be more pure to backport in V8, but I don’t see why floating it in Node would be an issue. | ||
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| @addaleax: @bnoordhuis was strongly -1 on floating a patch on V8, but didn’t give a reason. | ||
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| @misterdjules: what do we mean by floating a patch? | ||
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| @trevnorris: we don’t even have to let these through to V8, just catch it ourselves. | ||
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| @Fishrock123: That would be harder. | ||
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| @ChALkeR: perhaps warn in runtime on unsupported flags for next major? | ||
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| @rvagg: Colin and Ben had negative positions. | ||
| Is proposal to ask Ali to move forward in V8? | ||
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| @addaleax: Not expecting a definite decision, hoping to hear from people who are -1. Would be happy if someone put together a PR with all the flags we want to no-op and discuss in next meeting if necessary. | ||
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| @trev: How long to get a patch on the V8 branch? | ||
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| @ofrobots: Probably not too long, dependent on me finding a half hour. | ||
| This will be a patch we float on our downstream of V8 5.1. We are the de facto owners of this branch now. | ||
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| @rvagg: Open a PR, move discussion there, people with negatives can expand on them there. | ||
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| **Next steps**: | ||
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| * @ofrobots to float a patch on our branch of V8 5.1 and open a PR. Discussion to continue there. | ||
| * Keep on agenda for next week just in case. | ||
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| ### AsyncWrap public API proposal [node-eps#18](https://github.com/nodejs/node-eps/pull/18) | ||
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| @trevnorris: EP is near 100% ready, only thing likely to change is the native C++ API but after doing testing and implementation it’s where it needs to be for all of the goals set for it. | ||
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| @rvagg: We need to sign off on the EP. Can’t do that today, right? | ||
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| @trevnorris: No, but EP is there. I’ve updated it with code, examples, stuff like that. | ||
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| @rvagg: Will there be changes in node-eps#18 between now and next week? | ||
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| @trevnorris: No, unless some major change comes in. | ||
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| @trevnorris: No docs yet, Bradley has volunteered. | ||
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| @rvagg: There will eventually be a discussion of backporting to V4. | ||
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| @trevnorris: Discussion continues on promise side. | ||
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| @rvagg: cause we don’t have insight into the microtask queue? | ||
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| @trevnorris: Yes. It’s proceeding. | ||
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| @seththompson: V8 team is interested in helping with this. Looks like async/await won’t make cut for v7, gives us more time to work on the right thing here. | ||
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| **Next steps**: | ||
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| * Everyone read [node-eps#18](https://github.com/nodejs/node-eps/pull/18). | ||
| * Vote next week on Node-EP. | ||
| * Open a PR for implementation in nodejs/node. | ||
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| ### Modules | ||
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| @bmeck: There were several concerns about the rewritten EP for ES6 module compat. Note that we haven’t merged that yet, people are welcome to comment in that issue. | ||
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| @rvagg: Those who are concerned should definitely get in touch with Bradley (@bmeck). | ||
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| ## Q/A on public channels | ||
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| * Thanks for the heads-up on async/await. | ||
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| ## Upcoming Meetings | ||
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| * CTC: 2016-09-14 | ||
| * TSC: 2016-09-08 | ||
| * Benchmarking: [Benchmarking#56](https://github.com/nodejs/benchmarking/issues/56) | ||
| * Build: 2016-09-20 |