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partyRole codelist: add wholesaleBuyer #1180
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Noting full list of roles is here: https://op.europa.eu/en/web/eu-vocabularies/concept-scheme/-/resource?uri=http://publications.europa.eu/resource/authority/organisation-role |
Copying discussion at #1225 (comment)
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@duncandewhurst and/or @odscjen From your work on OCDS for eForms, what do you think of this issue, and do you think it is worthwhile to add the codes to OCDS, rather than using the open codelist and/or defining new codes in extensions? |
From the eForms work we identified the following new codes to add to the EU extension +partyRole.csv codelist.
Comparing these to the codes proposed by Jachym most of these new codes don't map to the proposed ones. So from the point of view of the eForms work I'm not sure they are necessary in either the core or the EU extension, if we keep 'partyRole.csv' as an open codelist then if one of these is needed it can be added by the publisher. Whether or not any of the codes we've created as part of the eForms mapping should be included in the core 1.2 codelist is another question. My initial feeling is that with the exception of 'eSender' they are all general enough to have utility outside of the EU but that would likely require further research to confirm. |
Thank you! My understanding of the quoted part of Art. 2 of Directive 2014/24/EU in the issue description is that 'ted-esen' (TED eSender) is a kind of "procurement service provider" (17), i.e. one whose "ancillary purchasing activities" (15) is "technical infrastructure" (15a). I think it matches what Jachym calls a "data publisher". In the draft extension:
@JachymHercher Apologies for pulling you back into standard development :) but what was your intention for sentences like "Organisations with the wholesaler role should not be marked with the buyer role" ? For example, if the buyer in a contracting process is a wholesaler CPB, I assume they would appear in the Or, is it the case that, in contracting processes involving CPBs, there is usually a buyer (e.g. ministry of transport) occupying the |
Noting that the EU legislation mentions "supplies and/or services" but not works. That said, I think okay to include works in our definition. Jachym had used the phrase "to be given or sold to" instead of "intended for". I'm not sure if there is a significant distinction here. I prefer "intended" to avoid having to disambiguate all the ways a purchase can reach its intended buyer (e.g. IP can be "relicensed to", cleaning services can maybe simply be coordinated without there being any change in ownership, control, or relationships, etc.). |
eForms adds 'serv-prov' for 17 (which covers all of 15), plus 'ted-esen' which is a special case of 15a. We haven't encountered datasets describing a 15a aka 'infrastructure provider' (except in the 'ted-esen' special case), a 15b aka 'advisor', or a 15c (except in the case of it being a 14b), so I'll leave them out of OCDS 1.2. Noting that there was no proposal in the issue description for a code matching 15c except in the case where the organization was also a 14b. Since "Procurement service provider" can be divided into more specific roles, I'll also leave it out of OCDS 1.2, despite it being modelled in eForms, because the desired end-state is to have a set of minimally-overlapping roles. I'm not sure about the term 'contract intermediary'. For a similar case, in #1187, we added 'contractImplementationManager' instead of 'contractManager' since the latter had multiple interpretations. From the discussion in #548:
As such, a new term for 'contract intermediary' might include the word "process" (or "contracting process") and an appropriate "action" word to take the role of "Implementation". That said, the issue description elaborates how 14b organizations are always procuring entities. Until we find a reason to distinguish 14b and 15c procuring entities from each other, I'm wondering whether we can't just continue using 'procuringEntity' for this role. In terms of distinguishing 'procuringEntity' from its specializations 14b and 15c – well, I'm not quite sure what procuring entities do that the specializations don't. There needs to be a use case for indicating that an organization is only concerned with awarding contracts/FAs (15c). In terms of indicating that this organization does this on a permanent basis (14b) (i.e. is a CPB, not another type of procuring entity) – I'm just not sure what other procuring entities are out there that wouldn't be considered CPBs, in the case where the buyer and procuring entity are not the same organization. So, I think, in the end, we're only adding 'wholesaler'. |
A quick thought on terminology: 'wholesaler' as defined in Jachym's proposal does make sense, but I think that using that term might be confusing because, on the face of it and based on how that term is used in common parlance, I would expect a wholesaler to be a supplier rather than buyer, e.g. a government agency buying supplies from a wholesaler, as opposed to a retailer. |
I'm open to suggestions. We can't use 'central purchasing body' because some CPBs only handle the award (awardingCentralPurchasingBody). acquiringCentralPurchasingBody is a bit cumbersome, especially in the absence of another CPB specialization in OCDS 1.2. |
Since the proposed description for 'wholesaler' begins with "A buyer...", would 'central buyer' work? |
Hmm, that sounds like a synonym of 'central purchasing body'. For context, 'buyer' already covers both the awarding and acquiring aspects: "The organization aiming to conclude a contract with a supplier or to use the goods, services or works resulting from the contract." Hence the caveat on 'procuringEntity':
We want to avoid this for new codes. We're stuck with the caveats based on how the roles were defined in OCDS 1.1 . I suppose 'wholesaleBuyer' could work. |
Sounds good to me! |
If this issue is ever revisited in future to consider the other codes, the comment that describes the decision is #1180 (comment) |
When discussing
procuringEntity
in #571, I noted that several roles in contracting processes that can be marked in the EU's eForms and that seem useful, but that cannot currently be expressed in OCDS.Introductory analysis
(from #571 (comment) and #571 (comment) and #571 (comment))
Proposal
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