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[REVIEW]: CM++ - A Meta-method for Well-Connected Community Detection #6073
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Hi - thanks for your submission. I've been going through the checklist above as part of the review. It's all going well, but I have a few questions / requests.
I recommend adding something like a "quick start" guide or similar, with complete input files for the examples, so that it is easier to get started straight away with the software. While you don't need as much, see here how in my software the user is taken on a journey from seeing if the software has the features they need, then a very simple install guide, then a quick start guide to quickly explore the software (before then more detailed guides and a tutorial). Something like this can really make a difference to a user's experience of the software.
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Thanks for these very helpful comments Christopher. We will respond ASAP.
George Chacko
…On Tue, Dec 5, 2023 at 10:56 AM Christopher Woods ***@***.***> wrote:
Hi - thanks for your submission. I've been going through the checklist
above as part of the review. It's all going well, but I have a few
questions / requests.
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I failed to get this installed on MacOS. I suspect I would also fail
on Windows. I was able to follow the installation instructions on
Linux/aarch64 in a VM, and all of the unit tests passed. Could you update
the requirements to say this requires Linux, or could you do some testing
to get this working on Mac and Windows?
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Your requirements.txt file is very specific. Is there any way to relax
the version requirements, e.g. to specify dependencies to only their minor
version numbers rather than to their patch version numbers? I worry that
this installation could be very brittle.
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Could you include example usage in the paper? Or in the documentation?
Could you structure the documentation in docs / README so that it is more
clear where I should start to learn how to use this program? The examples
directory just contains json files, while the command to run in the first
documentation page (python -m hm01.cm -i network.tsv -e clustering.tsv
-c leiden -t 1log10 -n 32 -o output.tsv) gives this error;
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "/home/parallels/mambaforge/envs/review/lib/python3.10/runpy.py", line 196, in _run_module_as_main
return _run_code(code, main_globals, None,
File "/home/parallels/mambaforge/envs/review/lib/python3.10/runpy.py", line 86, in _run_code
exec(code, run_globals)
File "/home/parallels/review/cm_pipeline/hm01/cm.py", line 514, in <module>
entry_point()
File "/home/parallels/review/cm_pipeline/hm01/cm.py", line 510, in entry_point
typer.run(main)
File "/home/parallels/review/cm_pipeline/hm01/cm.py", line 422, in main
assert resolution != -1, "Leiden requires resolution"
AssertionError: Leiden requires resolution
I recommend adding something like a "quick start" guide or similar, with
complete input files for the examples, so that it is easier to get started
straight away with the software. While you don't need as much, see here
<https://sire.openbiosim.org> how in my software the user is taken on a
journey from seeing if the software has the features they need, then a very
simple install guide, then a quick start guide to quickly explore the
software (before then more detailed guides and a tutorial). Something like
this can really make a difference to a user's experience of the software.
-
Could you add some community guidelines as detailed in the checklist
above? I am sorry if I missed them. Feel free to steal from How to ask
for help <https://sire.openbiosim.org/support.html> and Contributing
<https://sire.openbiosim.org/contributing/index.html>.
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Could you provide the input files so that I can confirm the
performance claims in figure 1? Also, could you change this into a scaling
plot rather than a time to solve plot? (i.e. the speed relative to 1 core
for each core count - ideally a 32-core job would be 32 times faster, but
this would almost never be the case). This would give a better idea of how
the code scales.
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A quick update on this. We're making revisions based on your comments and
will update this thread as soon as the guidelines and quick start are
ready. Thank you again. George Chacko
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Thanks for these very helpful comments Christopher. We will respond ASAP.
George Chacko
On Tue, Dec 5, 2023 at 10:56 AM Christopher Woods <
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> Hi - thanks for your submission. I've been going through the checklist
> above as part of the review. It's all going well, but I have a few
> questions / requests.
>
> -
>
> I failed to get this installed on MacOS. I suspect I would also fail
> on Windows. I was able to follow the installation instructions on
> Linux/aarch64 in a VM, and all of the unit tests passed. Could you update
> the requirements to say this requires Linux, or could you do some testing
> to get this working on Mac and Windows?
> -
>
> Your requirements.txt file is very specific. Is there any way to
> relax the version requirements, e.g. to specify dependencies to only their
> minor version numbers rather than to their patch version numbers? I worry
> that this installation could be very brittle.
> -
>
> Could you include example usage in the paper? Or in the
> documentation? Could you structure the documentation in docs / README so
> that it is more clear where I should start to learn how to use this
> program? The examples directory just contains json files, while the command
> to run in the first documentation page (python -m hm01.cm -i
> network.tsv -e clustering.tsv -c leiden -t 1log10 -n 32 -o output.tsv)
> gives this error;
>
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>
> File "/home/parallels/mambaforge/envs/review/lib/python3.10/runpy.py", line 196, in _run_module_as_main
> return _run_code(code, main_globals, None,
>
> File "/home/parallels/mambaforge/envs/review/lib/python3.10/runpy.py", line 86, in _run_code
> exec(code, run_globals)
>
> File "/home/parallels/review/cm_pipeline/hm01/cm.py", line 514, in <module>
> entry_point()
>
> File "/home/parallels/review/cm_pipeline/hm01/cm.py", line 510, in entry_point
> typer.run(main)
>
> File "/home/parallels/review/cm_pipeline/hm01/cm.py", line 422, in main
> assert resolution != -1, "Leiden requires resolution"
>
> AssertionError: Leiden requires resolution
>
> I recommend adding something like a "quick start" guide or similar, with
> complete input files for the examples, so that it is easier to get started
> straight away with the software. While you don't need as much, see here
> <https://sire.openbiosim.org> how in my software the user is taken on a
> journey from seeing if the software has the features they need, then a very
> simple install guide, then a quick start guide to quickly explore the
> software (before then more detailed guides and a tutorial). Something like
> this can really make a difference to a user's experience of the software.
>
> -
>
> Could you add some community guidelines as detailed in the checklist
> above? I am sorry if I missed them. Feel free to steal from How to
> ask for help <https://sire.openbiosim.org/support.html> and
> Contributing <https://sire.openbiosim.org/contributing/index.html>.
> -
>
> Could you provide the input files so that I can confirm the
> performance claims in figure 1? Also, could you change this into a scaling
> plot rather than a time to solve plot? (i.e. the speed relative to 1 core
> for each core count - ideally a 32-core job would be 32 times faster, but
> this would almost never be the case). This would give a better idea of how
> the code scales.
>
> Thanks :-)
>
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Thanks - and don't worry - there isn't a rush. I've got a lot of leave to use up before Christmas, so it may not be until January that I'll be able to look at the revision. |
Thanks for the update @chackoge! |
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We have made revisions in response to the comments provided by Christopher
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Github site.
Thanks George Chacko
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Dear @LuisScoccola <https://github.com/LuisScoccola> thanks very much for
this feedback. We're working through your very helpful comments and hope to
have a response back in less than one week. We don't think it's a MacOS
issue- more about specifying dependencies but we'll report back. Happy New
Year to all of you.
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Hi @chackoge <https://github.com/chackoge>! I just submitted an issue,
probably related to the fact that I am running MacOS. Please let me know if
you have any suggestions. I don't see the pdf response that you referred to
in your last message, where can I find it?
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@LuisScoccola We looked into your issue. Vikram (the first author) has responded to it on Github. It turned out that std::binary_function is deprecated and this resulted in installation errors. python-mincut has been modified to use newer submodules and an alternate strategy (downgrading to gcc@13) is also described. I hope this addresses the problem. |
Hi - Thanks for making the changes I requested. The website with quick start and user guide is very helpful, as are the examples. I am happy that this is ready for publication. My only comment, which is minor, is that the example relies on running an R analysis script (one of the five R scripts that are in the scripts directory). I didn't have R installed in my test environment, so this exited with an error. Could you add "R" and any required R packages to the list of dependencies? Or, if this is only needed for some jobs, mention on the examples page that R needs to be installed to be able to run the examples. |
Hi Chris- we're on it. Thanks for the comments. GC
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Hi - Thanks for making the changes I requested. The website with quick
start and user guide is very helpful, as are the examples. I am happy that
this is ready for publication.
My only comment, which is minor, is that the example relies on running an
R analysis script (one of the five R scripts that are in the scripts
directory). I didn't have R installed in my test environment, so this
exited with an error.
Could you add "R" and any required R packages to the list of dependencies?
Or, if this is only needed for some jobs, mention on the examples page that
R needs to be installed to be able to run the examples.
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@chryswoods We have added R as well as the data.table and feather packages as requirements in both the main readme and the documentation page. Please view the links to the updated requirements below: |
Thanks - that's great. Those scripts worked when I have R and those packages installed. I'm happy that your manuscript is now ready. Thanks for being so quick and making all the changes I suggested. |
@chackoge, here are my main comments about the manuscript. I am not asking for everything to be phrased as I suggest; but if you decide to not address one of the comments in the paper, please include an explanation in a response in this github issue.
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@chackoge thank you for the prompt response and for addressing my comments. I have checked the paper and it looks good to me. I have three more minor comments regarding the last set of changes.
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Hello @LuisScoccola:
Thanks for the quick turnaround on our revisions and the detailed comments.
We'll fix Line 34 as suggested right away.
WIth respect to Line 15 (and this goes back to my earlier comment about
scope and delving into the semantics of well connected). Mild is not used
as a modifier for standard. We used a mild definition of well-connected
defined by a slow growing function (as opposed to a stringent definition of
well connected) when evaluating cluster quality from MCL, Infomap, Leiden
(modularity or CPM), and IKC. Had a stringent definition been applied then
very few clusters would have satisfied the condition imposed and our
observation would have been artificially exaggerated. Hence we used 'mild'
to illustrate the prevalence of poorly connected clusters and developed
CM++ to remediate them. The function is plotted in Fig 9 of Park et al
(arXiv).
Here are relevant extracts from the text of Park that may also help.
*Extract 1.*
"We also observed that the number of clusters with small min cuts increases
as the resolution parameter decreases. Intrigued by this observation, we
performed a broader study to evaluate the extent to which clusters produced
by algorithms of interest meet even a mild standard for a well connected
cluster."
*Extract 2.*
"While a large fraction of small min cuts intuitively signals
“poorly-connected” clusters, there are different ways of formalizing this
notion. Here we offer a formal definition for the purposes of this study.
Briefly, we consider functions f(n) with the interpretation that if a
cluster of size n has an edge cut of size at most f(n) then the cluster
will be considered poorly connected. We want f(n) to grow very slowly so
that it serves as a mild bound. We also want f(n) ≥ 1 for all n that are
large enough for the cluster to be considered a potential community. From
three examples of slowly growing functions (Materials and Methods), we
choose f(n) = log10 n, the function that imposes the mildest constraint on
large clusters and grows more slowly than the bound in (10)."
Regards
George Chacko
Line 15: Regarding "Applying a mild standard for well-connectedness". I
think what is meant is clear, but I don't know if I have seen the word
"mild" as a modifier for "standard". If this is usual, please disregard
this comment. Otherwise, please consider replacing it with something like
"Using a standard notion of well-connectedness".
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Thank you very much @chryswoodsand @LuisScoccola. Your comments have been
extremely helpful to us and we appreciate the professional courtesy of
reviewing our manuscript. I'l send out a confirmation later this morning in
this thread adn we'll review the manuscript one last time before notfiying
@arfon and everyone else in this thread.
GC
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@arfon I have finished the reviewing process and I'm happy with the
submission.
Once @chackoge confirms that the last small changes are implemented in
the paper, the submission is, from my side, ready.
I thank the authors for responding quickly and in detail to all of my
comments.
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@chryswoodsand @LuisScoccola @arfon We have made all changes requested.
Thanks again.
George Chacko
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Thank you very much @chryswoodsand @LuisScoccola. Your comments have been
extremely helpful to us and we appreciate the professional courtesy of
reviewing our manuscript. I'l send out a confirmation later this morning in
this thread adn we'll review the manuscript one last time before notfiying
@arfon and everyone else in this thread.
GC
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> @arfon I have finished the reviewing process and I'm happy with the
submission.
>
> Once @chackoge confirms that the last small changes are implemented in
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> I thank the authors for responding quickly and in detail to all of my
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We're on it. Thanks @arfon.
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Hello @arfon, I have updated the release to v4.0.1 and the Zenodo DOI is 10.5281/zenodo.10501118. Thanks! Vikram |
@arfon and we've reviewed the manuscript one last time.
Thanks
George Chacko
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Hello @arfon <https://github.com/arfon>,
I have updated the release to v4.0.1 and the Zenodo DOI is
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Thanks!
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Well this is the best news I've had in 2024! Thank you very
much @arfon @LuisScoccola @chryswoods. The article was clearly improved by
your input so we're very grateful. The journal review process was also
quite refreshing in comparison with umm..another experience we had in 2023.
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Submitting author: @chackoge (George Chacko)
Repository: https://github.com/illinois-or-research-analytics/cm_pipeline.git
Branch with paper.md (empty if default branch): main
Version: v4.0.0
Editor: @arfon
Reviewers: @LuisScoccola, @chryswoods
Archive: 10.5281/zenodo.10501118
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Checklists
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