Bunkers + landuse?

[Hjart]

Why does iD want to tag bunkers (like i.e. https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/531205744) landuse=military? Adding building=bunker in most cases would be ok, provided that it's actually overground, but landuse=military, I consider a clear mistake.

[bhousel]

Because the landuse=military page says to dual tag them.
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:landuse%3Dmilitary

[kymckay]

Initially reading this I thought it sounded wrong too. However after seeing the wiki it doesn't seem like an iD issue - more of a general tagging consensus issue (for what it's worth, it seems silly to me too). Perhaps take it up with the tagging list?

[Hjart]

I guess it's a mistake that this is in the wiki at all, more than a "general tagging consensus issue". I don't think many will agree with it being in there. It was added in https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag%3Alanduse%3Dmilitary&type=revision&diff=1312820&oldid=1304889 and I'll remove it unless there are objections to it : https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Tag:landuse%3Dmilitary

[matkoniecz]

Because the landuse=military page says to dual tag them.

I would interpret this page as "landuse=military may have this tags", not "this tags must have landuse=military". Still, typically military=bunker would be anyway within landuse, not have landuse tagged on it.

For example see German-build bunkers in occupied Poland that nowadays are tourism attraction/abandoned/memorial sites and not used by military. landuse=military for them would be incorrect. Like for example https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolf%27s_Lair

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Wiki edited in https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag:landuse%3Dmilitary&diff=1859444&oldid=1567545 (further improvements are welcomed)

[Hjart]

We have tons of abandoned german WW2 (and some WW1) bunkers just sitting around in Denmark too (see i.e. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Atlantic_Wall_in_Denmark). The vast majority are not in any kind of military area and many are freely accesible to the public. I can't even find any situation in which tagging a bunker landuse=military would be correct.

[bhousel]

see also #3663 where I wrote:

I think maybe the wiki should be fixed if it is suggesting to put a landuse=military tag on every military feature.

[matkoniecz]

It seems a wider problem, multiple features defined /data/presets/presets/landuse/military may need to be modified.

I think maybe the wiki should be fixed if it is suggesting to put a landuse=military tag on every military feature.

Is there a wiki page where it is still suggested?

[bhousel]

Is there a wiki page where it is still suggested?

yes, the landuse=military page (that you just edited) still says to do it.
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:landuse%3Dmilitary

[matkoniecz]

I added explicit note that military=* is not always added

== How to map? ==
Map an outline of the military area {{IconArea}} and add
* {{tag|landuse|military}}

In case where it is applicable add also {{tag|military}}.

Note that in many cases {{tag|military}} objects are mapped separately,
for example {{tag|military|bunker}} that may be within
{{tag|landuse|military}} or outside it (common for historic bunkers)

EDIT: PR with fix is now opened.