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Remove use of the term "common core" #379

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philipashlock opened this issue Oct 7, 2014 · 8 comments
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Remove use of the term "common core" #379

philipashlock opened this issue Oct 7, 2014 · 8 comments

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@philipashlock
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Let's be consistent in calling the metadata schema the Project Open Data Metadata Schema rather than the "Common Core" Metadata Schema.

I already started some of this with d577f82 which is part of the v1.1 updates, but wanted to document here and complete the update to copy throughout the site.

"common core" seems to refer to the core vocabulary of terms, but that concept is already covered by "schema" so "common core metadata schema" seems redundant to me and "Project Open Data Metadata Schema" seems like a more accurate and descriptive way to refer to this.

The term also has meaning specific to education and seems to be used almost exclusively in that domain, eg https://www.google.com/search?q=common+core

@gbinal
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gbinal commented Oct 7, 2014

Makes sense to me.

philipashlock added a commit that referenced this issue Oct 7, 2014
As described in #379

The term was in place in the policy memo and documents specific to the
v1.0 schema
@rebeccawilliams
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👍

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whitten commented Oct 9, 2014

From my experience, a common group of terms is different from a common description of terms. I use the word "schema" to talk about the common description, not the group.
Is this the same way you use the word?

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efmclean commented Oct 9, 2014

Hello - replying to @whitten re schema:

NISO cites this information for definition of metadata schema - http://bit.ly/1t5dhbY

"Metadata schema. This document uses “schema” in same way as ISO 23081. “A
schema is a logical plan showing the relationships between metadata elements,
normally through establishing rules for the use and management of metadata
specifically as regards the semantics, the syntax and the optionality (obligation level)
of values.”3 Also referred to as an element set. "

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whitten commented Oct 9, 2014

@efmclean thank you for the definition from NISO.

I certainly agree with a schema which is a logical plan showing relationships between metadata elements, but @philipashlock 's original note was talking about a vocabulary of terms, which I had understood would not necessarily imply anything about relationships between metadata elements.

Ironically, the NISO definition matched my understanding of a schema (a common description of terms) until the last sentence where it said it was "Also referred to as an element set." which would be another way of saying a common group of terms.
I guess I see a difference between a "metadata element set" and an "element set".

It's confusing to have two words "element" and "term" which are treated as interchangeable in many conversations, and distinguished in other conversations.

Thank you for taking the time to discuss these ideas, as we get closer to a common definition when we use the terms describing the ideas, and together work out a common vocabulary.

@dsmorgan77
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This is fine, but also recommend updating the language in M-13-13 to harmonize with this, because the use of "common core" comes from that http://project-open-data.github.io/policy-memo/#d-use-common-core-and-extensible-metadata

@mhogeweg
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👍 Common Core is a term used in education already and this could create confusion. And isn't 'core' itself already indicating it is something common?

@gbinal
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gbinal commented Nov 10, 2014

Thank you for driving the conversation around this and including the updates in the v1.1 metadata update. It looks like maybe some related ideas were discussed but since the original issue is resolved, I'm going to go ahead and close this. Please feel free to move any other discussions into a new issue.

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