Popen() object stdout attribute reassignment behaviour

[vincentlegoll]

BPO	3687
Nosy	@birkenfeld, @terryjreedy, @giampaolo, @maaz92, @iritkatriel

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created_at = <Date 2008-08-26.15:57:45.065>
labels = ['3.11', 'type-bug', '3.9', '3.10', 'docs']
title = 'Popen() object stdout attribute reassignment behaviour'
updated_at = <Date 2021-12-05.15:57:52.556>
user = 'https://bugs.python.org/vincentlegoll'

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priority = 'normal'
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stage = 'needs patch'
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url = 'https://bugs.python.org/issue3687'
versions = ['Python 3.9', 'Python 3.10', 'Python 3.11']

Linked PRs

• gh-47937: Note that Popen attributes are read-only #93070
• [3.10] gh-47937: Note that Popen attributes are read-only (GH-93070) #101683
• [3.11] gh-47937: Note that Popen attributes are read-only (GH-93070) #101684

[vincentlegoll]

The subprocess.Popen() object documentation should indicate
that the stdout attribute should not be modified after
object construction. Because that won't work.

Or the attribute may be rendered read-only

>> from subprocess import Popen, PIPE
>> import sys, os
>> p1 = Popen(["echo", "1"], stdout = PIPE)
>> p2 = Popen(["cat"], stdin = p1.stdout, stderr = PIPE, stdout = PIPE)
>> p2.stdout = sys.stdout
>> print p2.communicate()

This blocks forever

[terryjreedy]

While it could be argued that it is 'obvious' that changing the stdin, stdout, stderr, and pid of a processes cannot work, I agree that a small addition would be good. In 17.1.2. Popen Objects, after "The following attributes are also available", insert " (do not try to change them)" before ':'.

Actually, it seems to me that the attributes should actually be read-only (in 3.2) if possible (via custom Popen.__setattr__), in which case the only doc change needed (for 3.2) would be insertion of 'read-only' before 'attributes'.

Georg, if you know the id of the subprocess maintainer (if there is one now), could you add him to the nosy list for an opinion or comment?

[vlegoll]

On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 2:34 AM, Terry J. Reedy <report@bugs.python.org> wrote:

While it could be argued that it is 'obvious'

What is obvious for someone maybe is not for others, if I tried to modify it,
that was on the (false) assumption that it will do what I wanted (whatever
that is)...

Adding more precision to documentation or making the interface fool proof
will make life of dumb devs like me easier by not having to guess or try.

Thanks for taking care of this.

[maaz92]

Hi, I want to update the doc for this. This will be my first attempt to update the documentation.

[iritkatriel]

The situation is the same in 3.11, both doc and implementation.