Update the existing musl targets to be dynamically linked.

[pnkfelix]

Update the existing musl targets to be dynamically linked.

We should change the -musl targets to be consistently dynamically linked to their libc, rather than statically linking the musl libc into them at compile-time. If a MUSL end-user wants the musl-libc to be statically-linked into their program, they will need to specify it explicitly (e.g. via -Ctarget-feature=+crt-static)

Proposed Mitigation Strategy: In order to give the current users a chance to prepare for this change, we will first land a lint on all hosts that target musl. This lint will warn that the defaults here are going to change (namely, that the implicit +crt-static is switching to -crt-static). The lint will be silenced by explicitly providing either +crt-static or -crt-static.

Why we should do this: This would make Rust's -musl targets more consistent on two axes: It would make them more consistent with Rust's non-musl targets (which likewise dynamically link to the target's libc), and it would make them consistent with what musl toolchains expect, especially the toolchains for musl-based Linux distributions. (Today, musl-based Linux distribtuons are locally patching Rust to get the behavior they expect.)

Why we might not do this: It is a breaking change. The current defaults were put in place to support a specific use case of producing shippable binaries, and changing the default will break users who are not explicitly (and, with the current defaults, redundantly) requesting +crt-static. However, the mitigation strategy is intended to address the needs of those users.

Background: Rust currently has Tier 2 targets for a number of platforms using musl for libc (various flavors of ARM, MIPS and x86) as well as some Tier 3 targets (Hexagon, PowerPC, RISC-V, S390x and ARMv7 Thumb). Currently (most of) these targets statically link to musl libc during compilation.
ts could also be added.

Mentors or Reviewers

This MCP is an outcome from the compiler-team design meeting compiler-team#416 (zulip archive)

I expect the stake-holders who participated in that meeting to be involved, though they may not be the actual mentors.

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[petrochenkov]

The correct combination of flags to preserve the old behavior is

-C target-feature=+crt-static -C link-self-contained=yes

because the old musl targets not only link libc statically by default, they also link libc and crt objects shipped with rustc by default, which is also undesirable and should be avoided in the new target config.

Besides that, cargo need to be convinced to pass these flags only when compiling for the target, and not for the host (proc macros, build scripts), and we must specify how to do that in the migration diagnostic and documentation.

[petrochenkov]

@rustbot second

[Timmmm]

-C target-feature=+crt-static -C link-self-contained=yes

That's quite a pain when most users using the musl targets are primarily doing it so that they get a statically linked binary and don't have to deal with glibc compatibility issues.

This should only be done once there is a more user friendly way to get the current behaviour.

[Diggsey]

cc @emk who maintains a widely used docker image for building static musl binaries.

[ssokolow]

For context, I use musl targets for using pure Rust to write "shell scripts" that need to meet high standards of reliability, so I consider a Docker-based solution a deal-breaker.

Docker simply adds far too much delay and complexity to the compilation cycle for that kind of use-case... not to mention that I've spent the last few years promoting "For pure-Rust projects, Go-like static builds are as simple as rustup target add and cargo build --target" as a virtue of the language.

[Diggsey]

Docker simply adds far too much delay and complexity to the compilation cycle

Not sure if that was directed at my comment, but I'm not suggesting that everyone should use the docker image, just that the author and users of that docker image would be impacted by this potential change and should know about it.

[ssokolow]

I was unsure what your intent was, so I left whether I was replying to you ambiguous.

EDIT: I don't have a Zulip account (URLO, IRLO, Matrix, Reddit, StackExchange, etc. ...but not Zulip) and I'm not really in the mood to create an account on yet another service right now (assuming I even can, given how many services seem to be restricting themselves to those who have SMS numbers these days), so I'll bow out and hope my interests get adequately represented by someone else.

[wesleywiser]

Hi all, MCP issues aren't meant for discussion, we have a separate Zulip thread for that. Let's please move the discussion to that thread. Thanks!

[androm3da]

I'm happy to review or contribute changes necessary for hexagon to support this change.

[vi]

Will buildability of static musl be still tested automatically on CI even if/when dynamic musl becomes default?

Or will static flavour of musl effectively become Tier 3 instead of Tier 2?

[matthieu-m]

A Zulip thread/stream is very awkward to parse when it comes to searching for whether a question has already been asked, discussed, or answered.

I would recommend aggregating questions as well as their answers (if any) and the salient points of the discussion (if any) together in some sort of FAQ document... for example in the above MCP itself.

That is, I am fine with the discussion occurring on Zulip (or wherever) but I recommend that it be summarized in a more accessible manner (aggregated/summary) and at a more static location (nobody likes to scroll dozens of pages).

[nikomatsakis]

I think adding a FAQ to the template and collecting major points raised in the conversation is a good idea.

[apiraino]

@rustbot label -final-comment-period +major-change-accepted

[Timmmm]

Uhm... from the thumbs ups here it kinda looks like everyone agreed this was a bad idea (or at least premature without a simple alternative)... and then it was accepted?

You guys should at least post the reasoning behind this decision.

[Timmmm]

I skimmed the Zulip thread and it seems like the conclusion was that initially Rust will look for a system copy of Musl and dynamically link with that, if available, and fall back to static linking. And maybe there will be some kind of --static flag. That seems reasonable.

[bjorn3]

There is no ABI incompatibility between the static and dynamic version, so I don't think a separate target makes sense. Also if you are on a musl distro and want to produce statically linked executables you now need two targets installed. The dynamically linked one for rustc as otherwise it can't load proc macros, and the statically linked one for the executable to build. I think having a profile option for crt-static separate from rustflags makes more sense. You can set those per-target too as well using an env var. In addition cargo can decide to ignore it when necessary and avoid recompilation of everything when switching between the two options. Amd if you really want maybe cargo build could have an extra cli flag for this.

[NobodyXu]

I think having something like $cpu_arch-alpine-linux-musl makes sense for me, since AFAIK Alpine is the only distro that uses musl libc by default and have the dynamic library installed.

For all other $cpu_arch-unknown-linux-musl, they likely don't have musl libc installed and it still makes sense to link with musl libc statically most of the time.

That's literally the only reason why we use musl despite its poor malloc and dns implementation.

[kpcyrd]

There are multiple Linux distributions that use dynamic linking and musl libc, most notably:

1. Alpine Linux
2. Void Linux
3. OpenWRT

[NobodyXu]

Thanks, I didn't know that.

[ernsteiswuerfel]

There are multiple Linux distributions that use dynamic linking and musl libc, most notably:

1. Alpine Linux

2. Void Linux

3. OpenWRT

4. Gentoo Linux

[vi]

I don't think a separate target makes sense ...

I didn't mean a separate target, I meant a way to alias existing target + a compiler option. x86_64-unknown-linux-musl-static is supposed to turn into x86_64-unknown-linux-musl early in tools like Cargo or Rustup.

[est31]

@NobodyXu if you want to read more, please read:

• the PR where people pointed out that statically linking musl is actually a policy violation on a bunch of musl distros: add dynamically-linked musl targets rust#82556 . the compiler team decided to just change the default instead of adding specific dynamically linked targets.

• the hackmd from the compiler meeting where multiple approaches were studied: https://hackmd.io/YoAGSxUsRWumVvbRiHddrg

• for historic curiosity, the original PR that added musl to rust: Experimental MUSL target support for the compiler rust#24777 . it also has a link to a reddit thread out of which the PR was born out of, which explored musl for the purposes of having a libc that one can link against statically. this explains why musl was originally statically linked. Ideally it should have been dynamically linked from the start, but these links show that people added musl as a means to get a statically linked libc. only later it was realized that both the musl maintainer and the musl distros prefer dynamic linking.

also, maybe too late at this point, but the place to discuss an MCP is in the zulip thread associated to it, not the github thread of the MCP.

[RalfJung]

only later it was realized that both the musl maintainer and the musl distros prefer dynamic linking.

That's really the main point for me. We should respect the policy and decisions of the people maintaining the target we're building for.

Having cargo build --static as an alias-of-sorts for RUSTFLAGS="-C target-feature=+crt-static" cargo build makes a lot of sense; cargo knows a bunch of rustc flags (such as optimizations and debug assertions), it can also know about this one. That would be a cargo feature request.

[est31]

Having cargo build --static as an alias-of-sorts for RUSTFLAGS="-C target-feature=+crt-static" cargo build makes a lot of sense;

imo that would go further than just statically linking libc. I'd expect it to also statically link all the native libraries the project depends on through either build.rs or other means. cargo could set some env var or such that projects then should respect. that's usually what people want when they want static linking, they want everything to be linked statically, not just libc.

[bjorn3]

I believe there is a cfg exported for users to determine if crt-static is used. On most targets crt-static mandates full static linking, though not all targets. There is a target spec key for this.

[est31]

Hmm yeah one can do #[cfg(target_feature = "crt-static")] and build.rs scripts can check CARGO_CFG_TARGET_FEATURE as per this RFC. Ultimately, this is best discussed in the appropriate issue in the cargo repo.

[NobodyXu]

Thanks @est31 will have a read of them

[xbjfk]

Hi,
I know it's been quite a while since the last comment on this, but I thought I would add my two cents.
Overall, I support this change.
I accept that it will break existing CI scripts, however the current situation is even worse.
Currently, the (arguably) three largest distros shipping musl all patch rust to disable default static on musl (Gentoo, Alpine and Void) - meaning currently the musl target changes depending on what distro it's run - which is especially concerning, given Alpine's popularity as a distro for containers. Someone in a linked issue already got caught out by this.
Another problem is that a lot of packages make assumptions that musl libc means static linking - an example of this is llvm-sys, leading to distro users or maintainers having to patch this behavior out for each package that assumes it (although this behaviour is incorrect anyway even currently).
There really doesn't seem to be a way forward without annoying a large group of people, and I think it's best to rip the band aid off now and remove the necessity for downstreams to diverge as much rather than wait as more and more infrastructure depends on this implicit behavior.

[kpcyrd]

Could this be done as part of the upcoming 2024 edition?