Recommendations / Best Practices #120
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I suggest that we could instead have Requirements and Recommendations. The assertions would be part of the conformance statement to say which recommendations were followed. This approach might solve some of the issues we've been seeing as we build guidance where the same procedure (AT testing, style guide, end user testing, plain language review, etc) would support multiple outcomes. Can you provide some examples of recommendations that couldn't be supported by an assertion? |
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Gregg's email to the list, Organization of W3 provides some additional context. Personally, I am still processing... Thank you @rachaelbradley for moving to a GitHub discussion. |
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@rachaelbradley
I suggest we keep them separate to start with -- with Requirements and Assertions being testable -- and recommndations allowing any advice - whether testable or not. Then after we have them all defined and written up, we can see whether or not assertions can easily pair up with the recommendations or not. |
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Gregg's email was a good primer to get my head into this, and I find myself agreeing with Rachael's proposal. Once I tried applying Gregg's suggested model to an outcome I realized it's much simpler than it sounds, and adding too many subsections to an outcome could make things complex. My understanding of this is that Recommendations would allow for an extension beyond the existing Methods in an Outcome. Recommendations could include assertions, which I'm understanding as procedures that might document processes to meet an Outcome, but they could also contain best practices, or references to other outcomes that contribute to the overall accessibility of a product. Just for the sake of visualizing this:
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In WCAG 2.x we have advisory techniques that are not required but best practice. I agree we should continue to have these best practices 1) as they communicate how you can go beyond and 2) they make clear that some items are not covered by the requirement but go beyond. |
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@wareid wrote
A few comments on this. 1 - Requirements and Recommendations should be under Outcome - not alongside (I think that is what you intended) Comments on Assertions under Recommendations What do you mean by "Related Outcomes"? Is that like "See also....xxx" I suggest a flatter organization for now -- and only look at placing Assertions under recommendations later when we have them all in front of us and we can see whether or not the assertions pair up well with recommendations or not. We could always tuck one underneath the other later, but if we try to tuck him under too soon, I'm afraid we will end up bending one of the other out of shape to try to make it fit under the other. Outcomes
Methods should not be in the guidelines document because they would be too numerous and need to be able to change, be added to, etc. much more frequently than new issuances of the guidelines. |
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@GreggVan has repeately stated that assertions are testable. I wonder if I understand that correctly. What is certainly testable is that an assertion is being made somewhere, on some page. But is that enough? If we include assertions as contributing to conformance, wouldn't we need some way of testing that the assertion is actually correct, and impacts the content under test? This would often be difficult, I think. |
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I'm not entirely sure if we've cross referenced the work of ACT https://www.w3.org/WAI/standards-guidelines/act/ and how that could apply to WCAG 3. If we have, please ignore. If we haven't , please read on. A lot what is listed below also relates to questions raised on my comments within #112. This is a thought exercise on how terminology is used throughout W3C and within the areas of accessibility. Accessibility requirement , per https://w3c.github.io/wcag-act/act-rules-format.html#accessibility-requirement There are then conformance requirements, https://w3c.github.io/wcag-act/act-rules-format.html#conformance-requirements and the related secondary requirements https://w3c.github.io/wcag-act/act-rules-format.html#secondary-requirements There is also the definition of requirement from https://w3c.github.io/wcag-act/act-fr-reqs.html#requirement Loiselle - I know in the past we were wary of the term requirement, however this is used elsewhere in W3C and could be beneficial, especially where we are declaring prerequisites. Per https://www.w3.org/TR/wcag-3.0/#dfn-outcome - Outcome Loiselle - Are practices = best practices? Are practices = to methods? Are practices = to recommendations? Are recommendations best practices? Can recommendations have methods per the other related comments in this discussion thread? Same term, used a bit differently in ACT Rules , https://w3c.github.io/wcag-act/act-rules-format.html#outcome Outcome Also related outcome Property per https://www.w3.org/TR/EARL10-Schema/#outcome 3.3.1 Outcomes per https://www.w3.org/TR/wcag-3.0/#outcomes Assertion Loiselle - How could someone test an assertion that a company has a style guide and that style guide has accessibility requirements built in to it? Do they need to request that to test against it to confirm the assertion is valid? What if the style guide is proprietary and company does not want that shared? Testing assertions per https://www.w3.org/TR/wcag-3.0/#testing-assertions The quality of an assertion can be tested based on how well the assertion meets the documentation requirements for assertions (See Documenting Assertions). Conforming to WCAG does not require testing supporting documentation; however, organizations may decide to adopt additional documentation requirements based on the procedure being asserted. Loiselle - What if the documentation is web based and considered part of the product, wouldn't that fall under WCAG? Each outcome is associated with at least one method. Methods are informative and kept in how to documents. Each method contains techniques for meeting the outcome, examples, resources, and sets of tests for evaluating the outcome. Methods can apply to a specific technology, such as HTML, or can be more generic where the advice applies no matter what technology, such as the methods supporting the Clear Language guideline. Outcomes are written so that testers can determine the accessibility of technologies based solely on the outcome, even when methods do not yet exist for those technologies. Method Similar term used in ACT Rules, https://w3c.github.io/wcag-act/act-rules-format.html#implementation Implementation Set of Tests Test |
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I suggest an update to the terminology in ACT Currently you have requirements as being required or recommended (", a requirement can be compulsory or advisory.") This is not the usual use of the term in any standard. Normally you have
In the W3C nothing is required in the same way as other standards or regulations so they call their standards "Recommendations" -- so it can be a bit confusing. They also ask us to not use shall or should for a similar reason. But we want our WCAG 2 and 3 to be used by other standards groups so we should not confuse things in our standard or support documents by having "requirements" that are not required. I SUGGEST
Much clearer |
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RE Assertions. The whole reason for Assertions wasis to reinforce non-testable recommendations with something testable. If it were possible for them to have testable outcomes (from a recommendation-related assertion), then it could have been a requirement in the first place. So
So yes - - Assertions are testable. But the only thing you can test is that the assertion has been made. There is nothing beyond that that is testable. (Unless we want to create assertions for our requirements but there is no need for that - since they are already testable). |
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Unfortunately "recommendation" is best avoided within W3C documents because W3C standards are called "W3C Recommendations". We already have challenges with people understanding that Web Content Accessibility Guidelines (WCAG) 2.2 is a "W3C Recommendation" which is an international Standard. If WCAG 3 used "recommendation" for things that are not required, there could be significant confusion with the whole document being called a "Recommendation".
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Summary 16 JanuaryThis thread shows general support for including optional practices in some form.
There was a short discussion on the difference between Assertions and Best Practices. Before going further, chairs suggest we explore the differences with examples between:
For the 21 January meeting, please reply to this comment with examples of assertions and best practices. |
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Chris said, "Supplemental Requirements - Not sure where this fits, requirements are needed or they are not." Would a "supplemental requirement" be an additional requirement that complements or completes the main set of requirements? What would be the rationale for not including supplemental requirements in requirements? Is it a type of Supplemental Guidance Ala WCAG 2X? |
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Gregg proposed that in addition to assertions, we explore adding in recommendations to encourage readers to pick up best practices.
This GitHub discussion is to explore the idea of adding recommendations.
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