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6-02 Sample treatment (new codelist) #112

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joergklausen opened this issue Jun 27, 2019 · 20 comments
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6-02 Sample treatment (new codelist) #112

joergklausen opened this issue Jun 27, 2019 · 20 comments
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joergklausen commented Jun 27, 2019

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Summary and Purpose
[your arguments why the existing situation is not satisfying]

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Include the following table as a new code list (6-02 Sample treatment):

notation name description
inapplicable (inapplicable) Inapplicable or no sample treatment
drying Drying Sample is dried before analysis
evaporation Evaporation Sample is evaporated before analysis
freezing Freezing Sample is frozen before analysis
heating Heating Sample is heated before analysis
homogenization Homogenization Sample is homogenized before analysis
melting Melting Sample is melted before analysis
milling Milling Sample is milled before analysis
mixing Mixing Sample is mixed before analysis
sieving Sieving Sample is sieved before analysis
other (other) Other sample treatment
unknown (unknown) unknown
denuding Chemical denuding Process to remove certain gas phase species from sample before analysis
conversion Chemical conversion Sample is chemically converted before analysis
decomposition Thermal decomposition Sample is thermally decomposed before analysis
particleRemoval Particle removal Particles are removed from the sample before analysis by a filtering, cyclones, impactors, and electrostatic or diffusional removal

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6-02_t_go_sampl_treatment_ref.txt

@LuisaIckes LuisaIckes changed the title 6-02 Sample treatment (new codelist) 6-02 Sample treatment (new codelist), Deadline 27.07.2019 Jun 27, 2019
@LuisaIckes LuisaIckes added the Discussion required This issues should be checked and discussed by TT-WMD. label Jun 27, 2019
@LuisaIckes LuisaIckes changed the title 6-02 Sample treatment (new codelist), Deadline 27.07.2019 6-02 Sample treatment (new codelist), Deadline TT-WMD8 Jul 3, 2019
@LuisaIckes LuisaIckes changed the title 6-02 Sample treatment (new codelist), Deadline TT-WMD8 6-02 Sample treatment (new codelist), Deadline: 31.10.2019 Sep 23, 2019
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To make it easier to look at the table coming from OSCAR click here (note that name, definition, notation are not in the usual order).
@wmo-im/tt-wmd : I invite everyone to comment on this new table!

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05.11.2019: finally accepted in teleconference.

@LuisaIckes LuisaIckes removed the Discussion required This issues should be checked and discussed by TT-WMD. label Nov 5, 2019
@amilan17 amilan17 added this to the FT-2021-1 milestone Nov 16, 2020
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Reopening issue, because this amendment was not included in the previous FT cycle.

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fstuerzl commented Jan 5, 2021

This issue depends on #173 as described in the WG ACV wiki page https://github.com/wmo-im/wmds/wiki/wg-acv and needs a review.

@fstuerzl fstuerzl modified the milestones: FT-2021-1, FT-2021-2 Jan 5, 2021
@fstuerzl fstuerzl self-assigned this Jan 5, 2021
@joergklausen joergklausen changed the title 6-02 Sample treatment (new codelist), Deadline: 31.10.2019 6-02 Sample treatment (new codelist) Jan 25, 2021
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"Chemical denuding" is an important pre-treatment and needs to be clearly distinguish from thermal denuding. There is already a "heating" pre-treatment listed; I think that would cover "thermal-decomposing", or "thermal denuding". Other pre-treatments include cyclones and impactors to eliminate coarse particles, so maybe "particle removal" could cover filtering, cyclones, impactors, and electrostatic or diffusional removal (e.g., precipitators and diffusion batteries) with one term.

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Agree with @CharlesBrock. "Heating" would cover thermal-decomposing or thermal denuding. "Chemical denuding" is a better term. What about "chemical conversion" or "conversion", like NO2 converted to NO or NOy thermal-catalytically converted to NO?

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Branch updated

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I think the codelist is ready

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I recommend to promote this issue to 'validated'

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Found one typo: "from the ssmaple" in description of "particleRemoval".

I see the word "denudation" is different from "denude" or "denuding" . Chemical denuding is often used to strip certain species. Other comments?

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Found one typo: "from the ssmaple" in description of "particleRemoval".
Typo not present in branch.

I see the word "denudation" is different from "denude" or "denuding" . Chemical denuding is often used to strip certain species. Other comments?
Native-speakers, please come forward and decide ...

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charlesabrock commented Jun 14, 2021 via email

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What about changing the "denuding" description to: "Process to strip certain chemical(s) from the sample before analysis"?

@charlesabrock @jbnowak-larc comments?

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charlesabrock commented Jun 14, 2021 via email

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“Process to remove selected gas-phase constituents from the sample before analysis”?
On Jun 14, 2021, at 8:41 AM, gaochen-larc @.***> wrote: What about changing the "denuding" description to: "Process to strip certain chemical(s) from the sample before analysis"? @charlesabrock https://github.com/charlesabrock @jbnowak-larc https://github.com/jbnowak-larc comments? — You are receiving this because you were mentioned. Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub <#112 (comment)>, or unsubscribe https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/ATIXPDIY7AQE5WNJT5AHL3DTSYILNANCNFSM4H33TGZA.

Agree with Chuck's change.

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I agree with @charlesabrock I've never heard anyone use denudation in atmospheric or aerosol sciences. It is used to describe geological processes which is where @gaochen-larc question came from. I think it should be denuding and chemical denuding.

I've always understood chemical denuding as removing certain gas-phase species from the aerosol, which as previously defined is gas + particle phase, while leaving the particle phase undisturbed to be collected by filter or analyzed by another technique. I think @gaochen-larc suggestion "Process to strip certain chemical(s) from the sample before analysis" should be changed to "Process to remove certain gas phase species from sample before analysis".

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And @charlesabrock already suggested this while I was typing so I agree with him.

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I agree with both @charlesabrock and @jbnowak-larc

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Denudation changed to denuding, description updated.
Issue considered validated.

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