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1-01-01 Addition of definitions for cloud variables #443
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See also discussion in issue #390 |
https://github.com/wmo-im/tt-wigosmd/wiki/2023.02.16-TT-WIGOSMD notes: Franziska will review the status and update as needed. |
https://github.com/wmo-im/tt-wigosmd/wiki/2022.03.16-TT-WIGOSMD notes: |
507 defines 'fog' and 'mist', but not 'optical depth' |
https://github.com/wmo-im/tt-wigosmd/wiki/2023-03-17-TT-WIGOSMD notes: |
https://github.com/wmo-im/tt-wigosmd/wiki/2023.05.04-TT-WIGOSMD notes: |
This doesn't help with the definition, but quick research in the Manual on Codes vI.2 shows that perhaps "optical depth within each cloud layer" was intended to represent the GRIB codes below that are now deprecated. GRIB2 |
I've updated the descriptions for variables 507 and 533. Optical depth of fog: The degree to which fog prevents light from passing through it. The WMO Cloud Atlas refers to the term “fog” "when microscopic droplets reduce horizontal visibility at the Earth’s surface to less than 1 km" ([WMO, International Cloud Atlas, 2017 ed., https://cloudatlas.wmo.int/en/fog-compared-with-mist.html]. Height of inversion: Height of a stable layer of air with an increased temperature. Variable 508 "Optical depth within each cloud layer" is still unlear. |
https://github.com/wmo-im/tt-wigosmd/wiki/2023.06.01-TT-WIGOSMD: |
Please consult: Alexander Haefele |
Optical depth within each cloud layer - a component of cloud optical depth which results from a vertical integral of light extinction by cloud particles between the observed bottom and top of a cloud layer. Comments and changes are welcome. |
https://github.com/wmo-im/tt-wigosmd/wiki/2023.06.30-TT-WIGOSMD notes:
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@wmo-im/tt-wigosmd I updated the branch for 507, 508 and 533, but I have a couple questions:
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@meulenvd Can you please comment on the term "hydrometeor"? |
https://github.com/wmo-im/tt-wigosmd/wiki/2024.01.18-TT-WIGOSMD notes: |
To me, this is proposal is not ready. @fstuerzl, do you agree? After looking into "hydrometeors" more, we may want to leave it and add descriptions. |
“hydrometeors” includes rain, hail, snow, etc. which are not necessarily “cloud particles”.
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To me, this is proposal is not ready. @fstuerzl <https://github.com/fstuerzl>, do you agree?
I think "hydrometeors" may be replaced by "cloud particles".
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Agree! |
2 cents here: The ACTRIS vocabulary still uses hydrometeor, mainly because it relates so closely to radar observations: However, a hydrometeor isn't the same as a cloud particle, we list hydrometeor as cloud related. |
I would support using the AMS definition. I don’t see that the WMO has one.
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@charlesabrock <https://github.com/charlesabrock> and @markusfiebig <https://github.com/markusfiebig>: how would you define "cloud hydrometeor"? This term has been used in code 182 (Cloud hydrometeor concentration) and code 183 (Effective radius of cloud hydrometeors), which started this issue.
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proposed description for Cloud hydrometeor concentration (182) and Effective radius of cloud hydrometeors (183): Cloud hydrometeor concentration: number of cloud hydrometeors (or cloud particles) per unit volume. Cloud hydrometeors refer to one type of hydrometeor, i.e., liquid and/or ice cloud particles. Effective radius of cloud hydrometeors: The area weighted mean radius of cloud hydrometeors (cloud particles) as derived from the size distribution. @JREyre: The effective radius has been widely used to refer the area weighted mean radius in literature, especially dealing with remote sensing. It was first published, however, in 1974 (as shown in wiki page provided by Anna). Interestingly I could not find this term in the classical textbook "The Physics of Clouds". If we add "mean" to the name, it may be inconsistent with many publications... |
I concur with these proposed definitions.
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proposed description for Cloud hydrometeor concentration (182) and Effective radius of cloud hydrometeors (183):
Cloud hydrometeor concentration: number of cloud hydrometeors (or cloud particles) per unit volume. Cloud hydrometeors refer to one type of hydrometeor, i.e., liquid and/or ice cloud particles.
Effective radius of cloud hydrometeors: The area weighted mean radius of cloud hydrometeors (cloud particles) as derived from the size distribution.
@JREyre <https://github.com/JREyre>: The effective radius has been widely used to refer the area weighted mean radius in literature, especially dealing with remote sensing. It was first published, however, in 1974 (as shown in wiki page provided by Anna). Interestingly I could not find this term in the classical textbook "The Physics of Clouds". If we add "mean" to the name, it may be inconsistent with many publications...
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@charlesabrock @amilan17 @joergklausen @JREyre @gaochen-larc @markusfiebig @fstuerzl Maybe it's good to refer to the WMO definitions, which can be found in WMO-No. 182 (International Meteorological Vocabulary) and WMO-No. 407 (International Cloud Atlas, Manual on the Observation of Clouds and Other Meteors). Both are WMO Basic documents and WMO-No. 407 is part of the WMO Regulatory Material. Definitions in both documents are interlinked. Definitions provided are: WMO-No. 182 (International Meteorological Vocabulary): C1450 cloud C1580 cloud drop (C1590) H0970 hydrometeor WMO-No. 407 (International Cloud Atlas, Manual on the Observation of Clouds and Other Meteors) [mandatory] Definition of a cloud Meteorological definition of a meteor General classification of meteors Hydrometeors |
@charlesabrock @amilan17 @joergklausen @JREyre @gaochen-larc @markusfiebig @fstuerzl @meulenvd |
I consulted a cirrus cloud expert myself and learned "effective radius" have had more than one definition. However, they are all some kind of weighted mean. https://journals.ametsoc.org/view/journals/clim/11/7/1520-0442_1998_011_1793_teriic_2.0.co_2.xml |
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@JREyre: Thank you for the thoughtful comments and the reference! Here is another proposal: please feel free to comment or edit this proposed definition. Thanks! @joergklausen and @amilan17 since this measurand cannot be unambiguously defined, would this be a problem? |
@JREyre @gaochen-larc @meulenvd Thank you very much for working on this. However, It looks like it is still in the final stages of discussion and the branch has not been updated. |
@amilan17 are you ok with the proposed 183's description being ambiguous? |
@gaochen-larc @amilan17 @joergklausen @meulenvd
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@JREyre : Thank you! 3rd try: Please feel free to make edits |
https://github.com/wmo-im/tt-wigosmd/wiki/2024.03.21%E2%80%90TT%E2%80%90WIGOSMD notes: |
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https://github.com/wmo-im/tt-wigosmd/wiki/2024.04.09%E2%80%90TT%E2%80%90WIGOSMD notes: |
Branch is ready for validation, @joergklausen |
Initial request
Addition of missing definitions for cloud variables 181, 182, 183, 507, 508 and 533.
Name change for variable 508
Amendment details
updated 09 April 2024
Name:
Descriptions:
Comments
Every entry in the WMDR code lists should have a useful definition.
Requestor(s)
TT WIGOSMD
Stakeholder(s)
Enter list of stakeholder(s).
Publication(s)
Example: Manual on Codes (WMO-No. 306), Volume I.3, WMO Codes Registry, Code table 1-01-01
Expected impact of change
LOW
-> all changes can be implemented in OSCAR as soon as the codes approved.
Collaborators
Eliane Thürig, MeteoSwiss
@JREyre
@gaochen-larc
@meulenvd
@charlesabrock
@markusfiebig
References
WMO, International Cloud Atlas, 2017 ed.
Validation
No response
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