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Change: Increase General Promotion reward from Black Lotus by 100% #1134

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@xezon xezon commented Sep 6, 2022

This change doubles the General Promotion rewards gained from Black Lotus.

Black Lotus XP

Level up requirements are unchanged.

Object ExperienceRequired req. Vehicle Hack count req. Cash Hack count req. Building Cap count
Original Black Lotus 150 450 900 08 23 45 08 23 45
Patched Black Lotus (1) 100 200 400 20 40 80 05 10 20 05 10 20
Patched Black Lotus (2) 040 080 160 08 16 32 04 08 16 02 04 08
Patched Super Lotus (2) 040 120 200 00 16 32 00 08 16 00 04 08
Patched Black Lotus (3) (this) 080 160 320 08 16 32 04 08 16 02 04 08
Patched Super Lotus (3) (this) 080 240 400 00 16 32 00 08 16 00 04 08

General Rank Farming from Black Lotus Vehicle Hack XP

In theory it can be abused to grind XP when an enemy unit has been trapped. Find below hack XP time estimations based on the proposed Vehicle Hack XP reward of 10. A vehicle hack takes around 5 seconds to complete.

General Rank SkillPointsNeeded req. Vehicle Hack count req. Vehicle Hack time
2 800 80 400 seconds (06:40)
3 1500 150 750 seconds (12:30)
4 2500 250 1250 seconds (20:50)
5 5000 500 2500 seconds (41:40)

Rationale

Both Jarmen Kell and Colonel Burton can grant a fair amount of General Promotions to player, by killing infantry (~20 XP per kill) and by killing structures (~200 XP per kill). Originally Black Lotus is unable to compete with these rates.

@xezon xezon added Design Is a matter of game design Controversial Is controversial Minor Severity: Minor < Major < Critical < Blocker labels Sep 6, 2022
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xezon commented Sep 6, 2022

I am a bit skeptical about this change. The rationale needs more number crunching to proof that Jarmen and Burton will give more Generals XP over time.

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ImTimK commented Sep 6, 2022

Think proof is already there?

Lotus rarely gets to Vet1 in actual games, so we know she rarely was rewarded 150xp or more for all her actions.

While for Jarmen and Burton it's pretty common to get to Vet3, which is 400xp and 600xp respectively (or 300xp with Advanced Training). After that they often wreck even more Havoc to farm xp.

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xezon commented Sep 6, 2022

True. We already estimated in #807 that Patched Black Lotus level up time is 2.1 times slower than Jarmen Kell. With the bumped Experience Reward Lotus still is much worse than Jarmen and Burton, so this change is safe.

Object Rank 3 XP est. Rank 3 time XP per minute
Original Jarmen Kell 400 200 seconds (03:20) 120
Original Colonel Burton 600 240 seconds (04:00) 150
Patched Black Lotus (2) 160 420 seconds (07:00) 23
Patched Black Lotus (3) (this) 320 420 seconds (07:00) 46

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xezon commented Sep 6, 2022

It would be good if we put this all these calculations in the experience sheet somehow. Doing it by hand kinda sucks.

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xezon commented Dec 21, 2022

Looks ok. Should improve code comments.

@xezon xezon force-pushed the lotus-increase-xp branch from 2f6dbff to 8b56a43 Compare December 21, 2022 15:35
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xezon commented Dec 21, 2022

Comments fixed. Good to submit?

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MTKing4 commented Dec 21, 2022

ok from my side

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ImTimK commented Dec 21, 2022

fine

@xezon xezon force-pushed the lotus-increase-xp branch from 8b56a43 to 60135c3 Compare December 21, 2022 20:10
@xezon xezon merged commit dc97a6f into main Dec 21, 2022
@xezon xezon deleted the lotus-increase-xp branch December 21, 2022 20:11
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