Add Roadmap and Vision #1529
Add Roadmap and Vision #1529
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| To get input for making Cluster API a first-class signal for upstream releases. |
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in addition to or replacing current jobs?
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In addition. Maybe @kubernetes/sig-cluster-lifecycle can provide additional feedback on top of that point.
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this was a SIG CL proposal:
kubernetes/kubernetes#82532
"replace the existing PR and release blocking kube-up based jobs with CAPI jobs"
IIRC, SIG Testing and Release had some agreement on this, but i don't think it was discussed with other SIGs.
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| 1. **Moving deb/rpm package builds to community infrastructure (large)** | ||
| - _What:_ The reb/rpm packages are built by the Google build admin, we should | ||
| move that to community infrastructure and build them automatically. | ||
| - _Why:_ It’s easier for us to fix issues independently that way and we have | ||
| more control about how the packages are being built. |
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Why is this out of scope? In Primary focus, we say that we want to be independent from external companies like Google. IMO, this is probably the biggest dependency and it brings many problems that would be easier to solve if we had our own deb/rpm infra.
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I think that it would be useful to clarify what would this improve and what we gain from it.
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| Outcome: A documented and simple process for handling CVE information within | ||
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| 1. **Establish Cluster API as first-class signal for upstream releases |
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I checked this job https://testgrid.k8s.io/sig-cluster-lifecycle-cluster-api-provider-gcp#capg-conformance-v1alpha4-k8s-master&width=5 and there are several things to take into consideration:
- it runs a script https://github.com/kubernetes-sigs/cluster-api-provider-gcp/blob/master/scripts/ci-conformance.sh
that install KIND - it calls another script that creates some gcp infra with bash command "gcloud ..." and install packer https://github.com/kubernetes-sigs/cluster-api-provider-gcp/blob/master/scripts/ci-e2e.sh
- packer runs some ansible based on https://github.com/kubernetes-sigs/image-builder/tree/master/images/capi
- the it runs kind and does its stuff
It installs calico from master?
Deploy calico
kubectl --kubeconfig="/tmp/kubeconfig" apply -f https://docs.projectcalico.org/manifests/calico.yaml
configmap/calico-config created
customresourcedefinition.apiextensions.k8s.io/bgpconfigurations.crd.projectcalico.org created
customresourcedefinition.apiextensions.k8s.io/bgppeers.crd.projectcalico.org created
customresourcedefinition.apiextensions.k8s.io/blockaffinities.crd.projectcalico.org created
customresourcedefinition.apiextensions.k8s.io/clusterinformations.crd.projectcalico.org created
I see many moving parts, from my experience it will take a lot to stabilise this job ... I only ask to not replace current jobs until this has demonstrated stability for at least one release cycle
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No objections to improving support for this mechanism. I agree with @aojea that the current mechanisms should remain until the new approach demonstrates stability for at least a release cycle. As an aside, I would have guessed this would have fallen under "Consumable", not sure how it relates to "Secure".
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as discussed recently with SIG Scale, the GCP provider for CAPI (CAPG) is not in a good state due to no active maintainers, that can dedicate a certain % of workday to the project.
the existing CI scripts and setup for CAPG are a best effort currently.
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| We're not completely aware of all technical aspects for the changes. This | ||
| means that there is a risk of delaying because of investing more time in | ||
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Can be the decision taking in some of these topics a problem? Do we expect strong veto or not identified stakeholder going against some work?
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Some of the comments posted so far suggest the need for greater clarification about the prioritisation and the "why" driving these items: Why are the outcomes listed here the most important, highest-impact ones? Why are some items lower down the list than others? One (but not the only! :) ) way to tackle this would be to run an action priority matrix exercise during an upcoming SIG Release meeting. Then 1-2 sentences clarifying the impact/why could be arrived at by the group and included in this statement for others. |
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| 1. **Enhance Kubernetes binary artifact management (Consumable)** | ||
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| Outcome: Being able to promote files as artifacts and using this mechanism |
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is there a linked issue or more details for what this means?
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I think this one is the epic: #1372
cc @justaugustus @LappleApple if you have others in mind.
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| Outcome: A documented and simple process for handling CVE information within | ||
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| 1. **Establish Cluster API as first-class signal for upstream releases |
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No objections to improving support for this mechanism. I agree with @aojea that the current mechanisms should remain until the new approach demonstrates stability for at least a release cycle. As an aside, I would have guessed this would have fallen under "Consumable", not sure how it relates to "Secure".
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| consumption easier. This includes being process independent from external | ||
| companies like Google. | ||
| 1. **Introspectable**: It is clear for users at which point and how Kubernetes | ||
| artifacts are being built. This includes the documentation of all |
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Are reproducible build artifacts included as part of this? I don't see them mentioned below. That has been a user-facing issue in the past (e.g. not being able to restart/recover from an issue during the release process and having to cut additional tags)
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Right now it's not part of the roadmap. I see that kubernetes/kubernetes#70131 has been closed, but there is an open question at the end of the conversation. Maybe we want to add this topic as well. Thoughts on that @kubernetes/release-team-leads ?
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| 1. **Consumable**: Improving the usability of artifacts by making their | ||
| consumption easier. This includes being process independent from external | ||
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| 1. **Introspectable**: It is clear for users at which point and how Kubernetes |
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Is the "north star" just "documentation", or should it be a hermetic build process that is impervious to human interference, for all artifacts?
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I think it's both: For example if we speak about package builds, then we want to completely automate that topic away from human interaction. On the other hand if we looks at the CVE process, then this will most of the time require human interaction.
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It's not clear to me that, even for a CVE, a human needs to touch the built aartifacts, but I guess that path is open to discussion.
What I'd like to see as a strong "north star" statement is something like what I wrote - a hermetic build process that is impervious (or at least detectable) to human interference, for all official release artifacts including the official builds but also all of the container images.
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Sounds good. I added the following statement:
All official release artifacts will be built by a hermetic process that is impervious to human interference.
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I moved every topic to be in-scope for now. I think we should prioritize them within the SIG Release meeting. Unfortunately the next meeting will be May 18, because the week of May 3rd is KubeCon. |
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| Outcome: Cluster API provides a CI signal for blocking release test jobs. | ||
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| 1. **Enhance and simplify Kubernetes version markers (Consumable)** |
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Do we have already have some issue for this item?
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May @LappleApple knows more, I don't think that we have an umbrella issue for this one yet.
Some refs: kubernetes/release#1693, kubernetes/release#1711
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| Outcome: An automated formal verification of produced release artifacts for | ||
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| 1. **Enhance Kubernetes binary artifact management (Consumable)** |
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It is not clear whether the term "binary artifact" as used here encompasses or excludes images and packages. The reference to #1372 suggests it encompasses them, but the following outcome suggests it only encompasses kubernetes/enhancements#1732, excluding kubernetes/enhancements#1734 and kubernetes/enhancements#1731
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The linked EPIC covers files, container images as well as deb/rpm packages. We probably wanna remove the word "binary" from the deliverable.
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| https://github.com/kubernetes/sig-release/issues/1372 | ||
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| Outcome: Being able to promote files as artifacts and using this mechanism |
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I took a second review of this and it looks good to me. I think we've gotten to the core of the document and we can handle any other things with follow up PRs, what do you think @saschagrunert ? I'll defer to you on dropping the hold if so. /lgtm |
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What type of PR is this:
/kind documentation
What this PR does / why we need it:
This PR adds the SIG Release Roadmap and Vision for 2021 and beyond.
Which issue(s) this PR fixes:
None
Special notes for your reviewer:
/priority important-soon
/cc @kubernetes/sig-release-leads
/hold for discussion and review
Referring mailing list discussion: https://groups.google.com/g/kubernetes-sig-release/c/YTessa2-Kow/m/bFy_9bEMAQAJ
Should merge after the cadence KEP: kubernetes/enhancements#2567